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<blockquote data-quote="Fringan" data-source="post: 11927" data-attributes="member: 110"><p><strong>Concerning JT 5100</strong></p><p></p><p>I thought this chatlog would qualify as it's own thread. I've edited out some stuff and altered some other stuff to make it an easier thread to follow.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>15:44 [Captain_Nemo] yes, i am J, who had a bid on the 5100 at one point </p><p>15:45 [Captain_Nemo] im glad i didn't win, they didn't ship to australia </p><p>15:46 [Captain_Nemo] hopefully there will be one for sale here sometime.. maybe i can grab one for cheap </p><p></p><p>15:48 [Fringan] why would you want a 5100? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite38" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p>15:48 [Captain_Nemo] only cause its interesting </p><p>15:48 [Captain_Nemo] and ill be around in 2036 </p><p>15:48 [Captain_Nemo] i didn't used to believe titor at all.. i do completely now </p><p>15:48 [Fringan] there are no programmers in 2036? just pick up an emulator <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite38" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p>15:49 sosuemetoo is a jt believer also </p><p>15:49 [Fringan] besides, unix will not stop working 2036 or any other year for that matter </p><p>15:49 [Captain_Nemo] who knows </p><p>15:49 [Fringan] i know <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite38" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p>15:49 [Captain_Nemo] that doesn't prove anything one way or the other </p><p>15:49 [Fringan] and alot of other people who knows anything about coding </p><p>15:50 [Captain_Nemo] ive been a coder myself for a couple of years, so i know some stuff (windows based only though) </p><p></p><p>[...]</p><p></p><p>15:52 [Fringan] Captain_Nemo: there is some truth in the unix thingie </p><p>15:52 [Captain_Nemo] what part? </p><p>15:52 [Fringan] in 2038 time_t function in unix has to be changed in order to work </p><p>15:53 [Captain_Nemo] yes i read all that </p><p>15:53 [Fringan] but its an easy thing to fix </p><p>15:53 [Captain_Nemo] its too hard to tell if that part of the story is real or not.. you know how small bugs can destroy entire coding structures </p><p>15:53 [Fringan] you certanly wouldnt have to go back in time to pick up and old computer to fix the problem </p><p>15:53 [Fringan] actually, if you couldnt change the code, you could just change the date of your bios clock </p><p>15:53 [Captain_Nemo] agreed </p><p>15:54 [Fringan] but it would be better to just change time_t to a 64-bit integer </p><p></p><p>15:56 [Fringan] yeah well it was a well know fact for a decade when titor posted .. anyone with some unix knowledge could have known that, you wouldnt have come from the future in order to predict there might be some problems if you try to run un-updated unix after 2038 </p><p></p><p>15:57 [KiraSjon] fring - i know zip about computers, but that sounds a lot like the y2k ordeal </p><p>16:02 [Fringan] KiraSjon: well kira its both comlicated and not <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite38" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p>16:02 [Fringan] KiraSjon: the yk2-thing was a hypothetical problem that was hyped to make people buy stuff <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite38" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p>16:02 [KiraSjon] now *that* i believe </p><p>16:03 [Fringan] KiraSjon: they didnt know if computer systems would manage to start counting from year 00 after 99 </p><p>16:03 [Fringan] it was easy to try at home.. just setting the bios clock to 99-12-31 23:55, reboot the computer and see what happened after 5 minutes </p><p>16:04 [Fringan] and nothing happened <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite38" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p>16:04 [Fringan] with the unix thing however.. values (like the time and date for example) is stored in something called variables </p><p>16:05 [Fringan] there are different kinds of variables, in this case time is stored in a format of seconds </p><p>16:05 [Fringan] so time on the computer is actually the number of seconds since the 1/1/1970 </p><p>16:06 [Fringan] however time on some unix systems are stored in a 32-bit integer and the biggest number it can take is something like 2,147,483,647 </p><p>16:06 [Fringan] and that is the number of seconds from 1/1/1970 to 1/19/2038 </p><p>16:07 [Fringan] so after that its true the time wont work on unix </p><p></p><p><strong><em>(note: UNIX will actually run, however the date will be December 13, 1901 at 8:45:52 PM the second after the time rolls over. For example, if you have a unix system calculating interest on you bank account you will get ALOT of negative interest (like -x% for 237 years) <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite38" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> )</em></strong></p><p></p><p>16:08 [Fringan] but its really easy for a programmer to change that in the unix source code to a 64-bit integer and everything will work for a very long time</p><p></p><p><strong><em>(note: 64-bit time_t could handle dates up to year 292 000 000 000 which would be about 5 times the expected life of the universe <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite38" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> )</em></strong></p><p></p><p>16:08 [Fringan] its a few days work perhaps </p><p>16:08 [Fringan] instead of building a time machine and send someone back in time to get an old computer </p><p>16:09 [Fringan] even if you didnt know how to change that time thing in the code, you could still set the clock back a few years and it would work while you figure out how to make unix work with the right date set <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite38" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p>16:09 [KiraSjon] see that just makes more sense than sending someone back in time </p><p>16:09 [KiraSjon] seems tons more efficient and cost effective </p><p>16:09 [Fringan] and that is why the 5100 JT thing is a load of crap <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite45" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> </p><p>16:10 [Fringan] also, im not sure what they would use that 5100 for.. its not like you can run and complicated programs on it.. its about as powerful as a normal scientific calculator is <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite38" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> <em>(note: perhaps not even that powerful)</em></p><p></p><p>16:11 [KiraSjon] well - if everything were wiped out, maybe they </p><p>16:11 [KiraSjon] d be starting from the beginning? </p><p>16:12 [Fringan] but he (JT) says they have satelites and internet up and running </p><p>16:12 [Fringan] they couldn't surf on a 5100, nor control satelites </p><p>16:12 [Fringan] JT also said they have creditcards </p><p>16:12 [KiraSjon] very true </p><p>16:12 [Fringan] i think the whole 5100 thing is a flaw in his story </p><p>16:12 [KiraSjon] which they definately wouldn't have unless they still had their technology </p><p>16:13 [Fringan] however, alot of things he is warning about is important for people to believe and care about</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fringan, post: 11927, member: 110"] [b]Concerning JT 5100[/b] I thought this chatlog would qualify as it's own thread. I've edited out some stuff and altered some other stuff to make it an easier thread to follow. 15:44 [Captain_Nemo] yes, i am J, who had a bid on the 5100 at one point 15:45 [Captain_Nemo] im glad i didn't win, they didn't ship to australia 15:46 [Captain_Nemo] hopefully there will be one for sale here sometime.. maybe i can grab one for cheap 15:48 [Fringan] why would you want a 5100? :) 15:48 [Captain_Nemo] only cause its interesting 15:48 [Captain_Nemo] and ill be around in 2036 15:48 [Captain_Nemo] i didn't used to believe titor at all.. i do completely now 15:48 [Fringan] there are no programmers in 2036? just pick up an emulator :) 15:49 sosuemetoo is a jt believer also 15:49 [Fringan] besides, unix will not stop working 2036 or any other year for that matter 15:49 [Captain_Nemo] who knows 15:49 [Fringan] i know :) 15:49 [Captain_Nemo] that doesn't prove anything one way or the other 15:49 [Fringan] and alot of other people who knows anything about coding 15:50 [Captain_Nemo] ive been a coder myself for a couple of years, so i know some stuff (windows based only though) [...] 15:52 [Fringan] Captain_Nemo: there is some truth in the unix thingie 15:52 [Captain_Nemo] what part? 15:52 [Fringan] in 2038 time_t function in unix has to be changed in order to work 15:53 [Captain_Nemo] yes i read all that 15:53 [Fringan] but its an easy thing to fix 15:53 [Captain_Nemo] its too hard to tell if that part of the story is real or not.. you know how small bugs can destroy entire coding structures 15:53 [Fringan] you certanly wouldnt have to go back in time to pick up and old computer to fix the problem 15:53 [Fringan] actually, if you couldnt change the code, you could just change the date of your bios clock 15:53 [Captain_Nemo] agreed 15:54 [Fringan] but it would be better to just change time_t to a 64-bit integer 15:56 [Fringan] yeah well it was a well know fact for a decade when titor posted .. anyone with some unix knowledge could have known that, you wouldnt have come from the future in order to predict there might be some problems if you try to run un-updated unix after 2038 15:57 [KiraSjon] fring - i know zip about computers, but that sounds a lot like the y2k ordeal 16:02 [Fringan] KiraSjon: well kira its both comlicated and not :) 16:02 [Fringan] KiraSjon: the yk2-thing was a hypothetical problem that was hyped to make people buy stuff :) 16:02 [KiraSjon] now *that* i believe 16:03 [Fringan] KiraSjon: they didnt know if computer systems would manage to start counting from year 00 after 99 16:03 [Fringan] it was easy to try at home.. just setting the bios clock to 99-12-31 23:55, reboot the computer and see what happened after 5 minutes 16:04 [Fringan] and nothing happened :) 16:04 [Fringan] with the unix thing however.. values (like the time and date for example) is stored in something called variables 16:05 [Fringan] there are different kinds of variables, in this case time is stored in a format of seconds 16:05 [Fringan] so time on the computer is actually the number of seconds since the 1/1/1970 16:06 [Fringan] however time on some unix systems are stored in a 32-bit integer and the biggest number it can take is something like 2,147,483,647 16:06 [Fringan] and that is the number of seconds from 1/1/1970 to 1/19/2038 16:07 [Fringan] so after that its true the time wont work on unix [b][i](note: UNIX will actually run, however the date will be December 13, 1901 at 8:45:52 PM the second after the time rolls over. For example, if you have a unix system calculating interest on you bank account you will get ALOT of negative interest (like -x% for 237 years) :) )[/i][/b] 16:08 [Fringan] but its really easy for a programmer to change that in the unix source code to a 64-bit integer and everything will work for a very long time [b][i](note: 64-bit time_t could handle dates up to year 292 000 000 000 which would be about 5 times the expected life of the universe :) )[/i][/b] 16:08 [Fringan] its a few days work perhaps 16:08 [Fringan] instead of building a time machine and send someone back in time to get an old computer 16:09 [Fringan] even if you didnt know how to change that time thing in the code, you could still set the clock back a few years and it would work while you figure out how to make unix work with the right date set :) 16:09 [KiraSjon] see that just makes more sense than sending someone back in time 16:09 [KiraSjon] seems tons more efficient and cost effective 16:09 [Fringan] and that is why the 5100 JT thing is a load of crap :D 16:10 [Fringan] also, im not sure what they would use that 5100 for.. its not like you can run and complicated programs on it.. its about as powerful as a normal scientific calculator is :) [i](note: perhaps not even that powerful)[/i] 16:11 [KiraSjon] well - if everything were wiped out, maybe they 16:11 [KiraSjon] d be starting from the beginning? 16:12 [Fringan] but he (JT) says they have satelites and internet up and running 16:12 [Fringan] they couldn't surf on a 5100, nor control satelites 16:12 [Fringan] JT also said they have creditcards 16:12 [KiraSjon] very true 16:12 [Fringan] i think the whole 5100 thing is a flaw in his story 16:12 [KiraSjon] which they definately wouldn't have unless they still had their technology 16:13 [Fringan] however, alot of things he is warning about is important for people to believe and care about [/QUOTE]
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