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<blockquote data-quote="Eddy_P" data-source="post: 38687" data-attributes="member: 581"><p><strong>Re: DOOPArts: documented-out-of-place artifacts</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>PART 1</p><p></p><p>Here are some Questions and their Answers (copied from the PPHC-SG Member Area - with permission) which may help you as an introduction.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: red">Why did ''time messengers'' go back to the past ?</span></p><p></p><p>Ronald Pegg believed that when a time machine was (will be) built, the first field trip was back to the ancient Middle East, somewhere around the Mesopotamian region.</p><p>The purpose was simple - using their new toy (time machine) and showing off, the chrononauts gave a ''show and tell'' of the future to the very first civilized people they could find.</p><p>It has been proposed that historical cd-roms were selected which were relevant to neighbouring regions (from which future civilizations would emerge), but would mean nothing to the ancient locals due to their lack of geographical understanding. In this way, the experiment could be a success without damaging history. If the people could not understand what they were seeing, then the brief appearance of modern technology and the showing of future information would not change history.</p><p></p><p>.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: red">Why then, did ''time messengers'' go back to the past, again ?</span></p><p></p><p>In order to try to correct the side affect of the time travel experiment (ie. the first field trip).</p><p>While not understanding the future events, the ancient people perceived the chrononauts to be angels, and the images from the cd-roms gave rise to stories about gods. Thus sprouted Religions and the worshipping of various gods that cascaded through the Middle East and affected the Sumerian, Mesopotamian, and Egyptian civilizations (just to mention a few).</p><p></p><p>Eddy Pengelly believes this second trip back to the past to try to correct these misunderstandings was to ancient Egypt.</p><p>In order to overturn the idea of many gods and to explain that the concept was falsely derived from cd-rom images, a desktop computer and the same compact disks were taken back so that Egyptian priests could be shown exactly from where the stories told by the Mesopotamians originated.</p><p></p><p>The plan not only failed and the concept of worshipping many gods (ie. those depicted from the cd-roms) continued, but the belief of just one god also developed on two fronts (ie. monotheistic worship).</p><p>The Egyptian Aten religion, headed by Pharaoh Amenhotep IV (who married Nefertiti), and The Hebrew religion, from the stories told by the Egyptian priest Moses.</p><p></p><p>.</p><p><span style="color: red"></span></p><p><span style="color: red">Did ''time messengers'' go back to the past yet again to endeavour to correct these things ?</span></p><p></p><p>A third trip back to the past to try to correct the Hebrew misunderstandings was to ancient Babylon (circa 590BCE. Ezekiel and Daniel). It failed, and the Hebrew Faith was further reinforced by more stories.</p><p>A fourth trip back to Jerusalem circa 30CE to explain the origin of the Hebrew Faith also failed. The resultant new religion was Christianity. The identity of the person(s) who had the encounter(s) is not clear, but may include Paul, Mark, Matthew, and/or the historical person known as Jesus.</p><p>A subsequent trip back to John on the island of Patmos (circa 95CE) was an attempt to correct the newly emerging Christian Religion.</p><p></p><p>The accounts by Ezekiel and Daniel, and John (in Revelations), tell of time messengers (angels) showing them particular images from a ''sealed round history book'' (Ancients cd-rom). They were also told about certain future astronomical and historical events (now known as SIGNS).</p><p></p><p>Two other attempts to try to correct the misunderstandings and the formation of religions also failed, as new types of religions evolved due to time messenger encounters. Mohammed in circa 600CE and Joseph Smith Junior in 1827CE were visited, and went on to form the Muslim and Mormon Religions respectively.</p><p></p><p>.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: red">Why did ''time messengers'' keep taking back the same computer and cd-roms to the past ?</span></p><p></p><p>The computer and cd-roms were the means by which certain information, particularly pictures, of the same modern events could be shown to ancient people in an attempt to make them document in their texts what will happen in their distant future.</p><p>When it was discovered that a time experiment and visit to Mesopotamia was the initial cause of Religions, it was decided to show ancient people a particular future war (the 1991 Persian Gulf War) that will be fought in the name of Religion in the same country (now known as Iraq), in an attempt to persuade them that what the previous prophets saw was not from a divine God or gods .</p><p></p><p>.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: red">Why were those particular cd-roms chosen ?</span></p><p></p><p>Specifically, the Grolier cd-rom shows an audio-visual presentation of the future Mesopotamian (ie. Iraq) war. As previously noted, the Ancients cd-rom was relevant to neighbouring regions from which future civilizations would emerge. The RedShift2 cd-rom contains an astronomical event that occurred in 1992/4, being the comet ShoemakerLevy 9 incidents.</p><p></p><p>They all contain particular historical information (ie. modern historical events and people) that provide a combined datable set of resources. While this data was shown to ancient people, it meant nothing to them, and as such, would not change or destroy the time line (ie. change our historical past). But because these (future) details were written down in ancient texts, when they actually occur (in the future), certain people would be able to recognize these events and literally decode the Bible (and other ancient texts).</p><p></p><p>A more basic answer is that they are all of the same era, and as such, run on the same desktop computer system. One of the disks (Grolier) came with the PC386 cd-drive up-grade package.</p><p></p><p>.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: red">Why did they take back a 386 personal desktop computer ?</span></p><p></p><p>It was the minimum system that would run the four particular cd-roms.</p><p></p><p>At some time in the future, someone was going to notice that the images from a certain cd-rom that run on a certain computer match to the described imagery by nearly all the ancient prophets. (From a religious perspective, this was the foretold ''unsealing of the Book with Seven Seals''.) That someone was Ronald Pegg from Queensland Australia (the biblical Second Witness). In contrast to all the previous ancient people who were shown the images on a computer due to some type of time travel encounter (ie. visions in a bright light by an angel), Pegg just went out and bought the current ''modern'' computer package from his local shop - which just happened to include one of the cd-roms.</p><p></p><p>If a different type of computer was taken back to the past each time, then there would not be a consistent trail of clues documented in ancient texts that could be traced back (forward) to a particular computer system.</p><p>As Pegg was using the same computer and cd-roms that were documented in ancient texts, it was easy for him to identify the technology being described and the contents of the cd-roms.</p><p></p><p>.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: red">Why not return to the past with more sophisticated wireless hardware ?</span></p><p></p><p>For similar reasons as previously stated. Pegg may not have recognised sophisticated wireless hardware back in 1998 when he first made his cd-rom discoveries.</p><p></p><p>A report made by Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery on Sunday April 3 1836 in Kirtland U.S.A. appears to describe a laptop computer, but this has not yet been verified.</p><p></p><p>.</p><p><span style="color: red">As soon as the ''time travellers'' arrived and appeared to the prophets, this would alter history from what it had been.</span></p><p></p><p>Yes, but only if the prophet CHANGED history by actually changing history. The warning given that the ancient religions were due to an encounter with a time traveller with the Ancients cd-rom and a computer was not understood.</p><p>What Pegg says, is that although this may have been the purpose of time travel back-steps, it failed because the prophets themselves may not have fully understand what was going on (and if they did, then it was suppressed). There was no major reaction to their "visions and information of the future" that stopped or ended the Hebrew religion at that time. It all became part of an oral myth or legend that ended up as a book (or two) in a subsequent religious text.</p><p></p><p>As far as Ezekiel and Daniel are concerned, their revelations did not change history - as the Hebrew faith continued. Their testimonies did add to the Hebrew faith, but did not CHANGE things that much. So history as such was not changed. In fact the ancient mythology was reinforced. (another ''mistake'' as termed by Pegg)</p><p>So another time visit was made in 95 AD.</p><p></p><p>But the same has happened to John''s revelations, as they too were pushed into the realm of ''a mystical religious future'' that no man could understand. Again, history was not changed - and the ancient mythology was once again reinforced. But it took a new twist. A son of God - the Lamb of God was established (based upon the imagery from the Ancients cd-rom).</p><p>What is the interpretation for what happened to the travellers ?</p><p></p><p>After the debacle of leaving a computer and sets of disks with the locals back in 1230BC (which created even more mythology surrounding the oracle apparatus and its box of compacts {ark of covenant} being carried around the place until it was put in the Jerusalem Temple), I believe (based on Smith''s report that the ''things'' were taken back) that the travellers and their apparatus were taken back (to the future?) when they had finished telling of the future.</p><p></p><p>..... see part 2</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eddy_P, post: 38687, member: 581"] [b]Re: DOOPArts: documented-out-of-place artifacts[/b] PART 1 Here are some Questions and their Answers (copied from the PPHC-SG Member Area - with permission) which may help you as an introduction. [COLOR=red]Why did ''time messengers'' go back to the past ?[/COLOR] Ronald Pegg believed that when a time machine was (will be) built, the first field trip was back to the ancient Middle East, somewhere around the Mesopotamian region. The purpose was simple - using their new toy (time machine) and showing off, the chrononauts gave a ''show and tell'' of the future to the very first civilized people they could find. It has been proposed that historical cd-roms were selected which were relevant to neighbouring regions (from which future civilizations would emerge), but would mean nothing to the ancient locals due to their lack of geographical understanding. In this way, the experiment could be a success without damaging history. If the people could not understand what they were seeing, then the brief appearance of modern technology and the showing of future information would not change history. . [COLOR=red]Why then, did ''time messengers'' go back to the past, again ?[/COLOR] In order to try to correct the side affect of the time travel experiment (ie. the first field trip). While not understanding the future events, the ancient people perceived the chrononauts to be angels, and the images from the cd-roms gave rise to stories about gods. Thus sprouted Religions and the worshipping of various gods that cascaded through the Middle East and affected the Sumerian, Mesopotamian, and Egyptian civilizations (just to mention a few). Eddy Pengelly believes this second trip back to the past to try to correct these misunderstandings was to ancient Egypt. In order to overturn the idea of many gods and to explain that the concept was falsely derived from cd-rom images, a desktop computer and the same compact disks were taken back so that Egyptian priests could be shown exactly from where the stories told by the Mesopotamians originated. The plan not only failed and the concept of worshipping many gods (ie. those depicted from the cd-roms) continued, but the belief of just one god also developed on two fronts (ie. monotheistic worship). The Egyptian Aten religion, headed by Pharaoh Amenhotep IV (who married Nefertiti), and The Hebrew religion, from the stories told by the Egyptian priest Moses. . [COLOR=red] Did ''time messengers'' go back to the past yet again to endeavour to correct these things ?[/COLOR] A third trip back to the past to try to correct the Hebrew misunderstandings was to ancient Babylon (circa 590BCE. Ezekiel and Daniel). It failed, and the Hebrew Faith was further reinforced by more stories. A fourth trip back to Jerusalem circa 30CE to explain the origin of the Hebrew Faith also failed. The resultant new religion was Christianity. The identity of the person(s) who had the encounter(s) is not clear, but may include Paul, Mark, Matthew, and/or the historical person known as Jesus. A subsequent trip back to John on the island of Patmos (circa 95CE) was an attempt to correct the newly emerging Christian Religion. The accounts by Ezekiel and Daniel, and John (in Revelations), tell of time messengers (angels) showing them particular images from a ''sealed round history book'' (Ancients cd-rom). They were also told about certain future astronomical and historical events (now known as SIGNS). Two other attempts to try to correct the misunderstandings and the formation of religions also failed, as new types of religions evolved due to time messenger encounters. Mohammed in circa 600CE and Joseph Smith Junior in 1827CE were visited, and went on to form the Muslim and Mormon Religions respectively. . [COLOR=red]Why did ''time messengers'' keep taking back the same computer and cd-roms to the past ?[/COLOR] The computer and cd-roms were the means by which certain information, particularly pictures, of the same modern events could be shown to ancient people in an attempt to make them document in their texts what will happen in their distant future. When it was discovered that a time experiment and visit to Mesopotamia was the initial cause of Religions, it was decided to show ancient people a particular future war (the 1991 Persian Gulf War) that will be fought in the name of Religion in the same country (now known as Iraq), in an attempt to persuade them that what the previous prophets saw was not from a divine God or gods . . [COLOR=red]Why were those particular cd-roms chosen ?[/COLOR] Specifically, the Grolier cd-rom shows an audio-visual presentation of the future Mesopotamian (ie. Iraq) war. As previously noted, the Ancients cd-rom was relevant to neighbouring regions from which future civilizations would emerge. The RedShift2 cd-rom contains an astronomical event that occurred in 1992/4, being the comet ShoemakerLevy 9 incidents. They all contain particular historical information (ie. modern historical events and people) that provide a combined datable set of resources. While this data was shown to ancient people, it meant nothing to them, and as such, would not change or destroy the time line (ie. change our historical past). But because these (future) details were written down in ancient texts, when they actually occur (in the future), certain people would be able to recognize these events and literally decode the Bible (and other ancient texts). A more basic answer is that they are all of the same era, and as such, run on the same desktop computer system. One of the disks (Grolier) came with the PC386 cd-drive up-grade package. . [COLOR=red]Why did they take back a 386 personal desktop computer ?[/COLOR] It was the minimum system that would run the four particular cd-roms. At some time in the future, someone was going to notice that the images from a certain cd-rom that run on a certain computer match to the described imagery by nearly all the ancient prophets. (From a religious perspective, this was the foretold ''unsealing of the Book with Seven Seals''.) That someone was Ronald Pegg from Queensland Australia (the biblical Second Witness). In contrast to all the previous ancient people who were shown the images on a computer due to some type of time travel encounter (ie. visions in a bright light by an angel), Pegg just went out and bought the current ''modern'' computer package from his local shop - which just happened to include one of the cd-roms. If a different type of computer was taken back to the past each time, then there would not be a consistent trail of clues documented in ancient texts that could be traced back (forward) to a particular computer system. As Pegg was using the same computer and cd-roms that were documented in ancient texts, it was easy for him to identify the technology being described and the contents of the cd-roms. . [COLOR=red]Why not return to the past with more sophisticated wireless hardware ?[/COLOR] For similar reasons as previously stated. Pegg may not have recognised sophisticated wireless hardware back in 1998 when he first made his cd-rom discoveries. A report made by Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery on Sunday April 3 1836 in Kirtland U.S.A. appears to describe a laptop computer, but this has not yet been verified. . [COLOR=red]As soon as the ''time travellers'' arrived and appeared to the prophets, this would alter history from what it had been.[/COLOR] Yes, but only if the prophet CHANGED history by actually changing history. The warning given that the ancient religions were due to an encounter with a time traveller with the Ancients cd-rom and a computer was not understood. What Pegg says, is that although this may have been the purpose of time travel back-steps, it failed because the prophets themselves may not have fully understand what was going on (and if they did, then it was suppressed). There was no major reaction to their "visions and information of the future" that stopped or ended the Hebrew religion at that time. It all became part of an oral myth or legend that ended up as a book (or two) in a subsequent religious text. As far as Ezekiel and Daniel are concerned, their revelations did not change history - as the Hebrew faith continued. Their testimonies did add to the Hebrew faith, but did not CHANGE things that much. So history as such was not changed. In fact the ancient mythology was reinforced. (another ''mistake'' as termed by Pegg) So another time visit was made in 95 AD. But the same has happened to John''s revelations, as they too were pushed into the realm of ''a mystical religious future'' that no man could understand. Again, history was not changed - and the ancient mythology was once again reinforced. But it took a new twist. A son of God - the Lamb of God was established (based upon the imagery from the Ancients cd-rom). What is the interpretation for what happened to the travellers ? After the debacle of leaving a computer and sets of disks with the locals back in 1230BC (which created even more mythology surrounding the oracle apparatus and its box of compacts {ark of covenant} being carried around the place until it was put in the Jerusalem Temple), I believe (based on Smith''s report that the ''things'' were taken back) that the travellers and their apparatus were taken back (to the future?) when they had finished telling of the future. ..... see part 2 [/QUOTE]
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