DOOPArts: documented-out-of-place artifacts

[Eddy_P]

DOOPArts: documented-out-of-place artifacts

Hi there.
My name is Eddy Pengelly, chief researcher for the South Australian based PPHC Study Group.

Here is a new set of modern mysteries that may solve many old myths and ancient mysteries - due to the discovery of evidence of Time Travel.

On 2nd April 2009 after a decade of study and investigation, I coined the new term DOOPArt, being an acronym for documented-out-of-place artifact.

This is where documented accounts from ancient myths, stories, and texts reveal where ancient people describe the contents of an oopart in their own words and/or depict the oopart itself - which they apparently saw and/or held in their own hands.

A DOOPArt is where the description and contents of a modern technological object have been found in very unusual or seemingly impossible contexts, such as being depicted in hieroglyphs or documented in ancient myths and legends as well as what are now known as religious texts.

But unlike the discovery of an out-of-place artifact during an archaeological dig, in these DOOPArt cases, only the documented descriptions of the oopart encounter have been discovered - and not the oopart itself.

More importantly, unlike the oopart cases which deem the ancient cultures themselves as having technology equal to or more advanced than our current level, a DOOPArt specifically describes certain mid 1990s technology, that has somehow been seen operating in the past.

Have modern technological objects been described and documented in the past ?

Check it out for yourself at World Breaking Discoveries DOOPArt Evaluation Session

There is an interactive on-line Evaluation Session which allows you to lodge your opinion. It gives you the opportunity to check out 10 ancient texts and compare their descriptions to the content of a modern historical object.

 

[TimeWizardCosmo]

Re: DOOPArts: documented-out-of-place artifacts

I remember reading something on that site about the 1995 disc a long time ago!

The link you posted is great; I did the interactive evaluation and agreed with pretty much all of the conclusions presented. Well done.

How do you imagine these objects were present in that time?

 

[Eddy_P]

Re: DOOPArts: documented-out-of-place artifacts

How do you imagine these objects were present in that time?

So you may appreciate the scope and context of findings that were made between 1996 and 2006, first a review of history that reveals observed similarities.

- Ancient Middle Eastern legends spoke of gods with two tablets in their possession.
- Egyptian legends spoke of the God RA whose symbol was a disc. - Moses spoke of two tablets of stone given to him by the Lord God.
- Prophetic biblical writers such as Ezekiel, Daniel, and John spoke of an encounter with Angels (one called Gabriel) who showed them 'visions' and 'future history' from a 'sealed book'.
- Paul, in his Jesus stories, documented hearing from the Lord in a light (also called the angel of light) and later, the prophets Mohammed and Joseph Smith also documented an encounter with an angel in a light (and in the case of Mohammed, the messenger's name was also Gabriel).

This covers a 5,000 year period of history during which new Religions were spawned, due to stories of encounters with either gods, the Lord God, or Angels (in a bright light) giving and showing 'future visions and historical information' from 'stone' tablets (ie. the sealed books) to named ancient prophets (who were instructed to document what they were shown and what they were told).

It has been found that certain ANGELS (also perceived as Gods) refer to human Time Travellers who took back information warning of False Religions and of a future War.
Those warnings appear in prophetic texts. The two 'tablets of stone' (aka seer stones) plus the 'sealed books', and 'disc' depicted by the ancient Egyptians refer to modern compact disks.
The contents (both pictures and historical information) from two modern cd-roms are documented by Moses, Ezekiel, Daniel, and John. In their sacred texts, the cd-rom pictures seen = 'visions' and the historical events told about = documented SIGNS {relating to late 20th century events}.


How a time machine works and may be built - I do not know.
But somehow, as the evaluation session shows, modern objects have been seen in past times and encounters with them have been recorded in texts of the time.

 

[TimeWizardCosmo]

Re: DOOPArts: documented-out-of-place artifacts

Perhaps I didn't read thoroughly enough, but I'm curious as to how Pegg narrowed it down to a specific CDROM. I suppose in 1995 there weren't many discs on the Mediterranean out there though.

What fascinates me is that it would seem that if there had been time travel, it would have occurred in the 1994 to 1997 time frame (I mean, why would you take a decade or older CDROM with you, and where would you have found it?), given the descriptions. This means it's already happened and that time travel is already a reality.

I've often wondered if descriptions of "stone" tablets were really laptop computers.

What do you think the "angels of light" are in this context?

 

[Eddy_P]

Re: DOOPArts: documented-out-of-place artifacts

Perhaps I didn't read thoroughly enough, but I'm curious as to how Pegg narrowed it down to a specific CDROM.
(I mean, why would you take a decade or older CDROM with you, and where would you have found it?)

PART 1

Here are some Questions and their Answers (copied from the PPHC-SG Member Area - with permission) which may help you as an introduction.

Why did ''time messengers'' go back to the past ?

Ronald Pegg believed that when a time machine was (will be) built, the first field trip was back to the ancient Middle East, somewhere around the Mesopotamian region.
The purpose was simple - using their new toy (time machine) and showing off, the chrononauts gave a ''show and tell'' of the future to the very first civilized people they could find.
It has been proposed that historical cd-roms were selected which were relevant to neighbouring regions (from which future civilizations would emerge), but would mean nothing to the ancient locals due to their lack of geographical understanding. In this way, the experiment could be a success without damaging history. If the people could not understand what they were seeing, then the brief appearance of modern technology and the showing of future information would not change history.

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Why then, did ''time messengers'' go back to the past, again ?

In order to try to correct the side affect of the time travel experiment (ie. the first field trip).
While not understanding the future events, the ancient people perceived the chrononauts to be angels, and the images from the cd-roms gave rise to stories about gods. Thus sprouted Religions and the worshipping of various gods that cascaded through the Middle East and affected the Sumerian, Mesopotamian, and Egyptian civilizations (just to mention a few).

Eddy Pengelly believes this second trip back to the past to try to correct these misunderstandings was to ancient Egypt.
In order to overturn the idea of many gods and to explain that the concept was falsely derived from cd-rom images, a desktop computer and the same compact disks were taken back so that Egyptian priests could be shown exactly from where the stories told by the Mesopotamians originated.

The plan not only failed and the concept of worshipping many gods (ie. those depicted from the cd-roms) continued, but the belief of just one god also developed on two fronts (ie. monotheistic worship).
The Egyptian Aten religion, headed by Pharaoh Amenhotep IV (who married Nefertiti), and The Hebrew religion, from the stories told by the Egyptian priest Moses.

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Did ''time messengers'' go back to the past yet again to endeavour to correct these things ?

A third trip back to the past to try to correct the Hebrew misunderstandings was to ancient Babylon (circa 590BCE. Ezekiel and Daniel). It failed, and the Hebrew Faith was further reinforced by more stories.
A fourth trip back to Jerusalem circa 30CE to explain the origin of the Hebrew Faith also failed. The resultant new religion was Christianity. The identity of the person(s) who had the encounter(s) is not clear, but may include Paul, Mark, Matthew, and/or the historical person known as Jesus.
A subsequent trip back to John on the island of Patmos (circa 95CE) was an attempt to correct the newly emerging Christian Religion.

The accounts by Ezekiel and Daniel, and John (in Revelations), tell of time messengers (angels) showing them particular images from a ''sealed round history book'' (Ancients cd-rom). They were also told about certain future astronomical and historical events (now known as SIGNS).

Two other attempts to try to correct the misunderstandings and the formation of religions also failed, as new types of religions evolved due to time messenger encounters. Mohammed in circa 600CE and Joseph Smith Junior in 1827CE were visited, and went on to form the Muslim and Mormon Religions respectively.

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Why did ''time messengers'' keep taking back the same computer and cd-roms to the past ?

The computer and cd-roms were the means by which certain information, particularly pictures, of the same modern events could be shown to ancient people in an attempt to make them document in their texts what will happen in their distant future.
When it was discovered that a time experiment and visit to Mesopotamia was the initial cause of Religions, it was decided to show ancient people a particular future war (the 1991 Persian Gulf War) that will be fought in the name of Religion in the same country (now known as Iraq), in an attempt to persuade them that what the previous prophets saw was not from a divine God or gods .

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Why were those particular cd-roms chosen ?

Specifically, the Grolier cd-rom shows an audio-visual presentation of the future Mesopotamian (ie. Iraq) war. As previously noted, the Ancients cd-rom was relevant to neighbouring regions from which future civilizations would emerge. The RedShift2 cd-rom contains an astronomical event that occurred in 1992/4, being the comet ShoemakerLevy 9 incidents.

They all contain particular historical information (ie. modern historical events and people) that provide a combined datable set of resources. While this data was shown to ancient people, it meant nothing to them, and as such, would not change or destroy the time line (ie. change our historical past). But because these (future) details were written down in ancient texts, when they actually occur (in the future), certain people would be able to recognize these events and literally decode the Bible (and other ancient texts).

A more basic answer is that they are all of the same era, and as such, run on the same desktop computer system. One of the disks (Grolier) came with the PC386 cd-drive up-grade package.

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Why did they take back a 386 personal desktop computer ?

It was the minimum system that would run the four particular cd-roms.

At some time in the future, someone was going to notice that the images from a certain cd-rom that run on a certain computer match to the described imagery by nearly all the ancient prophets. (From a religious perspective, this was the foretold ''unsealing of the Book with Seven Seals''.) That someone was Ronald Pegg from Queensland Australia (the biblical Second Witness). In contrast to all the previous ancient people who were shown the images on a computer due to some type of time travel encounter (ie. visions in a bright light by an angel), Pegg just went out and bought the current ''modern'' computer package from his local shop - which just happened to include one of the cd-roms.

If a different type of computer was taken back to the past each time, then there would not be a consistent trail of clues documented in ancient texts that could be traced back (forward) to a particular computer system.
As Pegg was using the same computer and cd-roms that were documented in ancient texts, it was easy for him to identify the technology being described and the contents of the cd-roms.

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Why not return to the past with more sophisticated wireless hardware ?

For similar reasons as previously stated. Pegg may not have recognised sophisticated wireless hardware back in 1998 when he first made his cd-rom discoveries.

A report made by Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery on Sunday April 3 1836 in Kirtland U.S.A. appears to describe a laptop computer, but this has not yet been verified.

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As soon as the ''time travellers'' arrived and appeared to the prophets, this would alter history from what it had been.

Yes, but only if the prophet CHANGED history by actually changing history. The warning given that the ancient religions were due to an encounter with a time traveller with the Ancients cd-rom and a computer was not understood.
What Pegg says, is that although this may have been the purpose of time travel back-steps, it failed because the prophets themselves may not have fully understand what was going on (and if they did, then it was suppressed). There was no major reaction to their "visions and information of the future" that stopped or ended the Hebrew religion at that time. It all became part of an oral myth or legend that ended up as a book (or two) in a subsequent religious text.

As far as Ezekiel and Daniel are concerned, their revelations did not change history - as the Hebrew faith continued. Their testimonies did add to the Hebrew faith, but did not CHANGE things that much. So history as such was not changed. In fact the ancient mythology was reinforced. (another ''mistake'' as termed by Pegg)
So another time visit was made in 95 AD.

But the same has happened to John''s revelations, as they too were pushed into the realm of ''a mystical religious future'' that no man could understand. Again, history was not changed - and the ancient mythology was once again reinforced. But it took a new twist. A son of God - the Lamb of God was established (based upon the imagery from the Ancients cd-rom).
What is the interpretation for what happened to the travellers ?

After the debacle of leaving a computer and sets of disks with the locals back in 1230BC (which created even more mythology surrounding the oracle apparatus and its box of compacts {ark of covenant} being carried around the place until it was put in the Jerusalem Temple), I believe (based on Smith''s report that the ''things'' were taken back) that the travellers and their apparatus were taken back (to the future?) when they had finished telling of the future.

..... see part 2

 

[Eddy_P]

Re: DOOPArts: documented-out-of-place artifacts

PART 2

Do they cease to exist due to this alteration, or does it reproduce a second thread of time ?

They (the time travellers) would not cease to exist for two reasons;
(1) history wasn''t changed (that much);
(2) they were visitors to the 600BC time frame and as such are exclusive from that time line, meaning that even if they died back then, this would have no consequence upon them being born in the future.

If things were changed, a new thread of time would be produced (not a second) that would overwrite history as we know it.
This is why (as Pegg says) the visits to the past were not to CHANGE things, but to place the warnings and evidence of these things plus the names and dates of the people who were going to find this information, and tell of it.
Finding out about it in the year 2000 as we did, has not changed history.
Nostradamus knew of this in the mid 1500s, but as his messages were encoded, and only decoded recently by Pegg, then history was not changed in the 1500s (even though future information was known at that time).
Also, you mention, I believe, 3 different prophets in different time periods. Did the travellers realize their mistake after the first encounter, and travel back to attempt to warn an earlier chosen one ?

Pegg asserts that each subsequent visit ended up being a mistake.
But as many people have pointed out to me, to have the technology to travel back in time - would you be so stupid as to make the same mistake over thirty times !

I believe that in order to NOT CHANGE history, time travel back-steps have been conducted to place hints and clues in ancient texts (actual modern historical events and imagery from modern cd-roms) so that the ''mistake'' of the very first time travel experiment that caused the domino effect of religions being spawned would be acknowledged and corrected at this end of time rather than back in the past.

I see it this way:
At some time, a time travel experiment to show off the ''new toy'' (time travel machine) took a computer and the cd-roms back to the past to show the ancient Middle Eastern people what their future holds. But the Chrononauts were perceived as ''angels'' and the voice from the apparatus showing the images of gods - as ''the voice of GOD''.
The early "stone from heaven'' cults were due to some people viewing the RedShift2 astronomy cd-rom and basing their ''religion'' on the shown images.
Other groups viewed the Ancients cd-rom with the Flood and Creation myths being spawned (as too the Atlantis and Greek & Roman classical legends), while the visual (1991 Persian Gulf War) history from the Grolier cd-rom provided the ''history'' that appears in some books of the Old Testament (misinterpreted into the stories of festivals).

To correct these local ''mistakes'' back-step visits were made to 600BC, with those encounters in Babylon being documented by the King of Babylon, Ezekiel, and Daniel.
To correct the local ''Christian mistakes'' made by Paul and the Gospel writers, a back-step visit was made to John (on Patmos island).
To try to correct these on-going ''mistakes'' a visit was made to Mohammed in 600AD and then to Joseph Smith in 1827.
Moving away from trying to correct the spawning of religions, new sets of back-steps were made to people such as Nostradamus in the mid 1500s (and other historical people who appear to have unusual knowledge future history, technology, or medical know-how).
Many back-steps were made to nearly every place, time, and civilization on our planet in order to place ''hints and clues'' of all this in their various texts and artworks.
Ronald Pegg has found many of these clues - and has matched the described imagery and history to the contents of four particular modern cd-roms (and two history books).

If we were to go back to the past and STOP all the religions forming due to the first TT mistake, then our current history would be wiped - and we would not be here. All that would be left would be physical monuments that are able to stand thousand of years which leave us wondering how they were constructed (as all the technology would be lost when history was rewritten).


Why not just go back in time to just right before you went back in time in the first place and stop yourself from making the mistake in the first place ?

Our world society is made up of countries that have based their various religious beliefs upon the understanding of their prophet''s misunderstood account of his encounter with a time traveller and what he was told and shown. Many world empires and countries were assembled according to these beliefs and have resulted in the cultures and societies that we now see in the 21st century.

If we were to go back to ''the day before'' the very first misunderstanding was made, and stop the first time traveller from speaking to the Mesopotamian people, then ideally the non-encounter would result in the various religious beliefs not emerging - problem solved.

BUT - if no religions emerged (as our history has shown), then those history books would then not be written, and everything and everyone that has lived and died since that very first ''time encounter'' would cease to exist - because if we wipe clean the effect of the first time encounter, we wipe all of our history and we wipe away ourselves.

This is why (Mr Pegg concludes) the various attempts to correct the very first time encounter occurred progressively over time but in a forward time stream. In this way the past would not be deleted, nor would the present, and the world as we know it would remain the same until the hidden and encoded messages in the ancient texts were discovered and revealed.


How do you overcome the obvious paradox of time travel ?

We do not understand how time travel may work, nor do we know how to build a time machine. But instead of spending time on things we do not know, we utilized our time examining the things that we can observe and evaluate. We considered Pegg''s claims one by one, and to date, most of them have been verified.

As an analogy, to drive our cars we do not need to know how to build one or know how the internal electronics work - we just learn the essentials and drive around.

Based upon Pegg''s research and evidence plus our own research and findings, the conclusion we derive is one of technological Time Travel. How it may work we do not know, but a large sequence of imagery and historical content from particular modern cd-roms are documented in ancient texts.

Is the notion of a ''paradox of time'' just a figure of speech - a convenient mind set by people who do not yet understand ?

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If the time travellers made contact with the various "prophets" and showed them visions of the future, could this not act to change the future they had predicted ?

Yes, if it was not done properly.
The first rule of Time Travel would be not to go back to an earlier time to actually change anything. The only way to make change is to pick a future point in time at which the whole world''s Religious systems will be eliminated and the concept of divine gods or God can be dismissed. (This could be before or after a time machine is invented, as once invented, it would have access to any time era.)
Prior to this ''future point in time'' (say December in the year 2012), the mistakes need to be found and acknowledged, then acted upon.

Once advised (by reading Pegg''s work for example), the Time Machine people would arrange for time travel back-steps so that warnings can be given to ancient people who then write it all down. This ''future information'' would then sit in ancient texts, misunderstood as part of the world''s arcane mysteries, until someone recognizes it after those ''future event'' actually occur. Then knowing was has occurred, steps can be taken to tell the people the truth about the origins of Religions.

In this way, the future as told to the ancient prophets happens as documented - including the formation of Religions plus the wars and other problems they spawned. Then once discovered and verified, at a certain point of time (say 12th October 2000) it can be announced that "the world''s Religions sprouted due to time travel encounters". The discoveries first need to be verified and publicized, then a future point of time can be selected at which the world may be able to look forward to a new era without Religions and their associated cleansing wars and retribution.

...fin

Examining DOOPArts may be the first step, being the contents of the Ancients cd-rom being described in ancient texts.
The next may be examining the matching documented modern historical and astronomical events from the Grolier and RedShift2 cd-roms that have also been documented in ancient texts.

 

[Eddy_P]

Re: DOOPArts: documented-out-of-place artifacts

What fascinates me is that it would seem that if there had been time travel, it would have occurred in the 1994 to 1997 time frame

I have come across no evidence for that assumption.
Maybe someone from the future, stopped off in the mid 1990s to pick up a set of new cds and a computer.

I've often wondered if descriptions of "stone" tablets were really laptop computers.

No.
The 'stone tablets' = plastic 'jewel cases' (cf. a jewel is a type of precious stone).

What do you think the "angels of light" are in this context?

Time Travellers.

 

[Num7]

Re: DOOPArts: documented-out-of-place artifacts

That's a very interesting subject. Like Brent, I've heard of this story on some rare occasions, but some questions still pop up in my mind.

The time travellers did probably not leave computer there, in the past, because there was no electricity in that time, how would the 386 work without power ? They must have managed a way to plug it in the time machine to make it work and show it the people in that time. I can't see how "God" could give laptops computers as gifts, because once the battery is dead, the laptop will never work again.

It's very interesting to imagine that time travel could have occured in the late 1990s, about ten years after the end of the cold war. Could the time machines had been designed during the cold war era by USSR ? BTW, like you said Eddy, perhaps some time travellers came from the far distant future to get the computer and CDs, but why these exact CDs from the 90s ? The future time travellers theory is valid, but I can't see why they would stop in the 90s to pic some old computer and cd-roms.

The picture with these people from 1830 with that little box containing what looks like CD boxes makes me wonder if it might be true after all.

Good finds

 

[Eddy_P]

Re: DOOPArts: documented-out-of-place artifacts

The time travellers did probably not leave computer there, in the past, because there was no electricity in that time, how would the 386 work without power ?

Its transport/carry box (which is described in the Bible) had room for batteries.

Click this LINK for details.

btw. Wouldn?t anyone with time travel technology would be able to make a small power supply for a mid 1990s computer system, or at least put some form of energy source (ie. batteries) in the cpu unit.

?but why these exact CDs from the 90s ? The future time travellers theory is valid, but I can't see why they would stop in the 90s to pic some old computer and cd-roms.

As previously cited?
Specifically, the Grolier cd-rom shows an audio-visual presentation of the future Mesopotamian (ie. Iraq) war. The Ancients cd-rom was relevant to neighbouring regions from which future civilizations would emerge. The RedShift2 cd-rom contains an astronomical event that occurred in 1992/4, being the comet ShoemakerLevy 9 incidents.
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They all contain particular historical information (ie. modern historical events and people) that provide a combined datable set of resources.

So when one resource was dated, the other cds were able to be identified along with the 386 computer because they were all of the same era. ie. find one, find all.
If it was different technologies (say, from the future) or a mixture of different technologies (19th, 20th, 21st centuries), then Ronald Pegg may not have come across it nor recognized it.

A more basic answer is that?
The person who found these things (ie. Ronald Pegg) was from the 20th century and knew what mid 1990s computers and cds looked like - as he owned one himself that came with the Grolier cd-rom.

He understood basic geography and history (of the Mediterranean region).
He watched the 1991 PGW on tv.
He watched the astronomical events unfold regarding Jupiter and the SML-9 comet.
He read the Bible Code book by Michael Drosnin and became aware of the sequence of people involved in codes in the Bible.
He was not religious and therefore was able to study the Bible with an open mind, and not be taken in by 3,000 years of priestly public relations.

Or to put it another way?
For someone to find puzzle pieces, he/she first needs to know
1. that there is a puzzle (ie. unsolved ancient mysteries in ancient texts)
2. access to finding the clues (documented SIGNS in those ancient texts)
3. a key to find/decode those clues (such as Strong?s Concordance, and knowledge of ancient encoding techniques)
4. the context of those mysteries and signs to come into alignment (ie. the ?future? historical events, being the documented signs, to have actually occurred)
5. within that context, the same thing is used and keeps re-occurring in ancient themes (ie. encounter with an ?angel? in bright light, oracle visions/dreams, told to write down what was seen and heard)
6. To be personally familiar with the re-occurring thing (ie. the computer and the specific cds) and therefore be able to recognize the themes, etc.
7. Have the time to sit down and examine these things.

 

[TimeWizardCosmo]

Re: DOOPArts: documented-out-of-place artifacts

I don't see the logic in making a pit-stop in the mid 90s for a CDROM either...

If this theory is correct, common sense tells me that any would-be time travelers would have originated from the era these items are supposedly from.

As far as the stone tablets go, I'm not sure I would be as concerned with a jewel case as I would be with the box that lights up and speaks the voice of God. Why would they leave a CD case behind? Wouldn't they need it to pack up their stuff when they left? Maybe they left it in the CD drive