Fahrenheit 9/11

Fahrenheit 9/11

I cannot comment on everything you've brought up, Uni, because I'm not educated enough on everything you've said to refute you.

If Michael Moore had had his way, Slobodan Milosevic would still be the big man in a starved and tyrannical Serbia. Bosnia and Kosovo would have been cleansed and annexed. If Michael Moore had been listened to, Afghanistan would still be under Taliban rule, and Kuwait would have remained part of Iraq. And Iraq itself would still be the personal property of a psychopathic crime family, bargaining covertly with the slave state of North Korea for WMD.
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Maybe so, but it's not America's responsibility to go and police other countries to tell them how they should run things in the first place. The only "way" I see Mr. Moore wanting to get is to have an HONEST government. Do you see anything wrong with that?

Did the movie mention that parents don't \"send\" their children into the military, they volunteer? Why did Moore not use the scene where a congressman who's children ARE in the military and ARE fighting in Iraq?
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If you saw that part where he went to that town in Michigan, you'd see that many of these kids volunteer to join because they're told they can improve their current situation. You think everyone wants to work at KFC? If a marine recruiter came to you and said "The Marines can help you play basketball and make it in the NBA!", you bet your ass that kid is probably going to sign up. You know why only ONE congressman has a child in the military? Because they don't HAVE to take the chance of joining the military because things are handed to them by their parents.

The ONE congressman who has a kid in the army -- I'll bet you a million bucks he isn't enlisted. I'm willing to bet he has a comfy job as a captain in some financial MOS.

I joined the army because my dad told me "Either join the army, or go to college... But I ain't paying for college." When you're faced with being homeless, or the promises of "We can help you play in the NBA! So-and-so was in the Marines and now he plays pro!" -- Whaddya gonna do?
 
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Good topic Karizma, thanks.

Still running some Republican truck eh, Uni?

Good points Heggy.

I saw Moore's movie the weekend it came out last summer. There were several scenes I had never seen or heard of before. I found some of it disturbing, while other parts were blatant jabs at the current administration and Congress. The most disturbing scene to me was the ratification of the presidential vote in the Senate. A large number of Representatives protested the vote, but what amazed me was the fact that NOT ONE BLOODY SENATOR had the cahonies to put their freakin' signature on a protest. The cruel irony was that Al Gore had to preside over the proceeding and tell Representative after Representative that their protest was no good without a Senator's signature. Totally surreal and disturbing.

While Moore's movie did make some good points, there were some obviously biased and dramatized scenes. Whatever. I ain't going to Michael Moore for history lessons.

What was missing for me were some obvious questions about 9/11 that weren't even addressed. Rather than put them all up here, I'll put up a link with tons of questions that Moore totally overlooked.

9/11: All In One Chunk

Check it out if. Most, if not all, of you won't.

Cary
 
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Just like many people are voting for Kerry because they don't like Bush, I support the war because I don't like communism. Have you ever seen an ANSWER rally that did not have a major component/recruitment for communism? Did you know ANSWER was founded three days after 9-11? Have you heard the allegations that ANSWER is funded by communist sympathizers? It was clear three days after 9-11 what America was going to do and must do. ANSWER was all ready to protest a decision that hadn't even been made yet.

Here is where I agree 100% with ANSWER:

They knew that if America was forcefull in response, America would be stronger and elements that would make America weaker would be weakened. A strong America equals a strong force against communism.

I agree you with Heg that America should not be the world police. We are America's police. It is in the best interest, being a target of terrorism , that we try to not let WMDs not get into the hands of terrorists. There were numerous reasons and numerous justifications for invading Iraq.

UN resolution 1441, introduced by GWB to give Sadam one last chance to comply with the cease fire of 1991 the 16 other UN resolutions that he had broke or face consequences. It was approved without objection by the security counsel.

Sanctions were not working as detailed in the Santorium (spelling?) report. Germany, Franch, Russia and Sadam were totally abusing the oil for food program to the great benifit of those four entitites. Guess who were most opposed to removing Sadam from power? Guess who benifited most from the corruption besides Sadam? Guess who promised Sadam, they would not let US invade Iraq? Guess who lobbied around the world to gather support against a US led invasion of Iraq? I will give you a hint, their flag is Red White and Blue but has only three stripes.

Isn't it good Sadam is gone? Isn't it good no one pays the family of sucide bombers $25000 for sucessfully raising a killer? Isn't it good the torture chambers in Iraq are closed? Isn't it good Libya has gone over to the light side? Isn't it good the entire middle east is not ruled by Sadam? Isn't it good that democracy has begun to drain the swamp of extremist muslims? Isn't it good that instead of ignoring massive murderous attacks on the US we have responded and thus now extreme mulsims realize that our response will not be nothing to their attacks?...instead of 8 years of doing mostly nothing?
 
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Moore hates Bush, and he exaggerates pretty much all the dirt that he can get on him. However, he is essentially right. He just needs to stop putting in all the little lies; the truth will turn people against Bush alone; Moore's exaggerations aren't neccessary.

So I chose the first option, but only because Fahrenheit 9/11 does contain a lot of truth. Neither of the options are really correct.
 
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Just like many people are voting for Kerry because they don't like Bush, I support the war because I don't like communism. Have you ever seen an ANSWER rally that did not have a major component/recruitment for communism? Did you know ANSWER was founded three days after 9-11? Have you heard the allegations that ANSWER is funded by communist sympathizers? It was clear three days after 9-11 what America was going to do and must do. ANSWER was all ready to protest a decision that hadn't even been made yet.
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What are you sputtering about? You support the war because you don't like communism? What does an invasion and occupation of Iraq have to do with communism? Did I miss something somewhere? Is the organization ANSWER you refer to located at this site? Act Now to Stop War and End Racisim

I'm no fan of communism either, but what does it have to do with this thread or the Iraq occupation?

You've lost me here Uni. No reply needed.

Cary
 
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A.N.S.W.E.R. is a communist run and backed organizations. Their connection to communism is not slight and glancing but so strong it is impossible to deny or hide.


http://www.thelantern.com/news/2004/05/12/...ng-680786.shtml
Since the demise of the Evil Empire, neo-Coms have reorganized under the guise of \"peace\" organizations such as International A.N.S.W.E.R. (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism), which sponsored the big anti-war rallies in San Francisco and Washington last year. A.N.S.W.E.R. is a front group for the Communist Workers World Party, a Stalinist group that has publicly endorsed the slaughter in Tiananmen Square, Slobodan Milosevic's genocide, and the North Korean regime.
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http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArticle_pri...D=17542&pid1072
Most of the major peace protests, including one in mid-October in Washington, are funded by a group called ANSWER, or Act Now to Stop War and End Racism, which is widely accepted to be a front for the Workers World Party.
Many people simply do not realize that the underwriters of peace protests agenda includes the destruction of our very way of life.
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http://www.browndailyherald.com/news/2004/...ft-725924.shtml
Based on the various messages disseminated thus far, it seemed that we were marching for Palestine, Haiti, Iraq, Afghanistan, Cuba, socialism, communism, gay rights, numerous political candidates, the freedom of Mumia Abu-Jamal and an end to racism ostensibly rampant within the anti-war movement itself.
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http://hnn.us/roundup/comments/4800.html
International ANSWER (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism) is a front group for the Workers World Party, which has ties to North Korean Communists and Slobodan Milosevic.
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http://www.dailycardinal.com/news/2003/10/...er-541487.shtml
Who is International ANSWER? It is in fact a front created by the Workers World Party shortly after Sept. 11, 2001. The WWP provided the offices and manpower for organizing the protest sponsored by ANSWER. Moreover, the spokesman of ANSWER, Brian Becker, is an important member of WWP. The WWP has clearly been controlling ANSWER behind the scenes and its goals are disturbing.
Do not be fooled. The WWP and its front ANSWER desire the destruction of free and liberal countries in favor of communist states. In this effort they are willing to side with any enemy of the United States.
Let me be clear: I am attacking the organizers, not the people who attended the protests. Trying to end the U.S. occupation now is akin to telling a surgeon to stop half-way into an organ transplant. But at least most protesters, misguided as they may be, believe they are acting in the interest of Iraqis and American troops. International ANSWER, on the other hand, cares about neither.
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http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comm...acepa041403.asp
the WPC was created by the Soviets in the 1950s, and that its honorary chairman is today still the same KGB asset, Romesh Chandra, who headed that organization. Most recently the WWP spawned another front called ANSWER, standing for Act Now to Stop War and End Racism, which is run by the same people running the WWP. The WWP was created by the Soviet KGB in 1957. ANSWER is supported by numerous domestic and foreign Marxist bodies (the Lebanese Communist party, the New Communist party of the Netherlands, the Partido Comunista de la Argentina) and by other anti-American organizations (the Italian Tribunal on NATO Crimes, the Green party USA, the Canadian-Cuban Friendship). A complete list of \"Coalition Co-signers\" can be found at www.internationalanswer.org/endorsers.html.
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http://www.redflag.org.uk/frontline/nine/09dotcom.html
I included this link to show you how highly esteemed this communist web site favors ANSWER.
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Okay Uni,

ANSWER is a communist sponsored organization.

What does that have to do with this thread?

What does that have to do with the Iraq war (other than they're protesting it)?

What does that have to do with 9/11?

How does the Iraq occupation have anything to do with communism?

Still ain't gettin' it. Again, no reply necessary.

Cary
 
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Of all the issues on both side for and against of removing Sadam for power the one that crystallized it for me was the fact that because communists were against it...I am definitely for it. With the intense effort and opposition the communist world party has put into this opposition to the war, it must be very damaging to their goals to have the US succeed in Iraq. To me this is just one more reason to support the removal of Sadam in Iraq. To have the US succeed in planting two full fledged democracies in the middle east must be completely unbearable to communists.

How it belongs in this thread is clearly Moore sings the praises of ANSWER. He must surely know their communist connections as well as I if not more. Not only does agree with the undermining of America being done by the communist party via ANSWER, but he adds to it in pretty much the same way by not telling the whole story.

I was once told that propaganda was invented by communist. I don't know if it true, but if they didn't invent it, they surely perfected it. The Moore film is propaganda.

Maybe I did pollute this thread and if I did I apologize. It is the same topic though. Fahrenheit 9-11 = ANSWER = Propaganda = Communism

I am not just pure anti-Moore. I loved and recommend all of his other movies passionately.
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Unintentional....let me see if I understand you correctly. You are for the war in Iraq because communists are against the war? You are basing your entire opinion on sending troops into battle on what the communists are opposing? I just want to be clear on this fact before I continue....

Karizma
 
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No, that is not the only reason, but it is just one of many reasons to be for it. I realize this thread is a discussion of Farenheit 9-11, but you do realize that Michael Moore is a communist, right? There is not one Lennin principal he is not against.

I have posted many reasons why I am for the war. Just go to my profile and read all my posts. I am pretty consistant.
 

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