"False god/Jesus" is the Devil aka Chaos Monster, Hail Alexander

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I apologize for posting gpt response but this was actually the summary of a very long discussion.
tldr; Babylon is garden of Eden, Serpent is actually Marduk and Yawheh is Tiamat aka Salt water or Choas Monster. Abraham is adam. Abraham was lured by Yahweh from the garden of eden for seeking knowledge and forced to wander the desert. Yahweh tried to wash away Babylon in the great flood but Marduk saved them. Unfortunately Yahweh tried to kill all polytheists and his Abrahamic cults eventually took out Babylon. So seems as though god is the Chaos Monster and Babylon and Marduk are the good guys. That is why it's forbidden knowledge "Yahweh" says so slaves.

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yes but as a scholar myself i an theorizing as Babylon is key to Marduk and the bible so they are connected. my theory

Babylon is garden of eden. adan is acully Abraham. God aka the choas monster tried to flood babylon but Marduk saved them and defeated the devil "Yahweh". later on yahweh led abraham from the garden of eden because he wanted a suvservient slave with no knowledge. seems like a choas monster to me. Then eventually the abrahamics slaughtered all pagans in Babylon. Marduk is actually the good God and Tianam or Devil or yahweh is actually the bad guy


Your theory presents an interesting re-interpretation of ancient myths and biblical narratives by merging elements from different traditions. Here’s a closer examination of the elements you’ve proposed:

### Babylon and the Garden of Eden
1. Location:
- Traditional interpretations place the Garden of Eden in Mesopotamia, between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. Babylon, also in Mesopotamia, is a significant ancient city-state, central to many myths and historical events.

2. Symbolic Interpretation:
- Viewing Babylon as the Garden of Eden symbolically suggests it was a place of origin and early civilization. Babylon was a major center of culture, learning, and religion.

### Abraham and Adam
1. Identity:
- Traditionally, Adam is the first human created by God, while Abraham is considered the father of the Hebrew people. Merging these figures is unorthodox but highlights themes of origin and covenant.

2. Narrative Connections:
- If Abraham (Adam) left the Garden (Babylon), it could symbolize the departure from a central civilization to establish a new covenant and people.

### Marduk and Yahweh
1. Mythological Roles:
- Marduk: In Babylonian mythology, Marduk is the chief deity who defeats Tiamat, a chaos monster, establishing order from chaos.
- Yahweh: In the Hebrew Bible, Yahweh is the monotheistic God, creator, and lawgiver, who punishes and rewards according to covenantal behavior.

2. Conflict:
- Interpreting Yahweh as a chaos monster contrasts sharply with traditional views but aligns with the concept of gods battling for control and influence in mythological narratives.

### Flood Narrative
1. Great Flood:
- The biblical flood narrative involves Noah, while the Mesopotamian flood involves Utnapishtim in the Epic of Gilgamesh. Both narratives share similarities but are distinct in their details and theological implications.

2. Divine Judgment:
- Recasting the flood as Yahweh attempting to destroy Babylon (Eden) and Marduk saving it changes the narrative to one of divine conflict over human destiny and knowledge.

### Abrahamic Religions and Paganism
1. Historical Conflict:
- Historically, the spread of monotheistic Abrahamic religions often involved the decline or transformation of polytheistic traditions, including in regions like Babylon.

2. Marduk as the Beneficent Deity:
- Presenting Marduk as the protector and Yahweh as the antagonist reverses traditional roles and emphasizes the perspective of ancient Babylonians versus the emerging Hebrew narrative.

### Theological Reversal
- Good vs. Evil:
- Your theory suggests a reversal where Marduk (traditionally a hero in Babylonian myth) is the beneficent deity and Yahweh (traditionally the God of order and covenant in the Bible) is portrayed as a malevolent force.

### Scholarly Consideration
- Syncretism:
- Ancient cultures often influenced each other’s myths and religious practices. Syncretism, or the merging of different religious beliefs, was common, especially in regions with rich cultural exchanges like Mesopotamia.

- Alternative Interpretations:
- Your theory is an example of alternative interpretation, focusing on symbolic and thematic connections rather than traditional or historical orthodoxy. Such approaches can offer new insights but require careful consideration of historical, linguistic, and cultural contexts.

### Conclusion
Your theory reinterprets ancient narratives in a way that challenges traditional views and suggests deeper connections between different cultural myths. While unconventional, it highlights the complex interplay of mythology, history, and theology in shaping human understanding of the divine and the origins of civilization. As with any theory, it’s important to consider evidence, context, and scholarly discourse to evaluate its plausibility and implications.
 

my theory is theoretically plausible?

Your theory presents a novel and imaginative reinterpretation of ancient myths and biblical narratives, merging elements from Babylonian mythology with Abrahamic traditions. Here's an assessment of its theoretical plausibility:

### Points of Plausibility:

1. Symbolic Interpretation:
- Viewing Babylon as the Garden of Eden symbolically ties together ancient Mesopotamian mythology with biblical narratives, both of which are rooted in the same geographic region.

2. Cultural Influence and Syncretism:
- Mesopotamia was a melting pot of cultures, where ideas and religious practices often intermingled. Your theory taps into the possibility of syncretism, where elements from different traditions could have influenced each other.

3. Mythological Themes:
- Themes such as creation, flood, divine judgment, and the struggle between chaos and order are universal and appear in various mythologies. Your theory uses these themes to weave a narrative that suggests a reinterpretation of roles and motivations of key mythological figures.

4. Historical Context:
- Ancient Mesopotamia and the Levant were centers of early civilization and religious thought. Your theory contextualizes biblical narratives within this broader historical and cultural milieu.

### Considerations and Challenges:

1. Historical Accuracy:
- The traditional interpretation of biblical and Babylonian myths is based on extensive scholarship and historical analysis. Your theory challenges these interpretations and would require robust evidence and scholarly consensus to support its claims.

2. Theological Implications:
- Your theory assigns different roles and attributes to key figures like Marduk and Yahweh, which diverge significantly from traditional religious beliefs. This may provoke theological debates and interpretations.

3. Evidence and Sources:
- Establishing the plausibility of your theory would require examining primary sources, archaeological evidence, linguistic analyses, and comparative mythology studies to substantiate claims of cultural influence and syncretism.

### Conclusion:

While your theory introduces intriguing possibilities and challenges traditional interpretations, its theoretical plausibility hinges on evidence and scholarly scrutiny. Exploring connections between Babylonian mythology and biblical narratives can provide valuable insights into the evolution of religious thought and cultural interactions in ancient times. Further research and analysis would be essential to evaluate the validity and implications of this reinterpretation within the broader context of religious studies and ancient history
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in balance there is no unquestionable faith or blind obedience. balance is pro and con thinking before acting. If one just blindly follows faith he is easily misled. So the garden of eden was balanced had the pantheon and the god above and below. seems as though eden was the middle. It wasnt a rule to not eat the fruits of knowledge. actually Yahweh said don't eat the fruit. The mistake wasn't listening to the snake it was listening to the lie of Yahweh and being ignorant. Yahweh convinced Adam and Eve of a lie that he was the only god and their ignorance led them astray, unbalance led them astray.

It seems you're exploring a perspective where balance and critical thinking are crucial elements, contrasting with the concept of blind faith. In this view, the Garden of Eden symbolizes a state of balance with its diverse pantheon and divine hierarchy, where multiple forces are acknowledged rather than a singular authority. Your interpretation suggests that the mistake in Eden was not seeking knowledge (represented by the fruit), but rather blindly following Yahweh's decree not to partake, which could be seen as a form of ignorance.

This perspective reflects a critical analysis of the narrative, emphasizing the consequences of blind obedience versus informed choice and the role of knowledge in understanding one's acti
ons.


Acording the bible Adam and Eve went to the Fallen land, weirdly Yahweh is right here with us. Eden was the middle, god above and belows equality with free will and equal access. So Yahweh attracted Adam and Eve to his place the fallen aka hell or imo Chaos. So Adam didn't disobey God but instead didn't question authority so the world became chaos. Exactly like our world today, the majority don't question or fight back and we live under tyranny because of our foundation of blind obedience our "pledge of allegiance" "under god". The answer is to get rid of monotheism and bring back a pantheon because that is balanced, a central authority as in monotheism is a terrible system of government and beliefs. Yayweh is the Chaotic deceptive underlord and he has his place. Our mistake is allowing the God of the underworld to be our god of light, and our god of fire, amd our god of love and war, etc. Yahweh is The god of chaos and now he has no balance.

RESTORE THE PANTHEON
 
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I don't believe in any god apart from myself. Yes it hard to understand how we exist if there is no god but we live in a reality that is binary. Everything has an equal opposite to itself. Exist & non-exist. That trumps all arguments.
 
Are u talking about the matrix?
not talking about the matix, i dont follow what some people think we are in a simulated world.
i am talking about reality itself. matter and anti matter, positive and negative. each of those are opposite of each other and cant exist without the other. look at newtons law of motion [ third law : (Action & Reaction) ] . we percieve our reality the way we believe it to be. we all have something we strongly believe in that others dont.
 
imo both Yahweh and the Snake are kinda imbalanced. The snake is so into freedom it can't find its own tail,
and Yahweh's just all "YE SHALL NOT DO ANYTHING PERIOD UNLESS I TELL YOU TO" showing his own
hypocrisy by making us flawed in his image yet expecting us to be his definition of "perfect beings"

Imo we should just invent a new religion lol.
 
Keep in mind in some interpretations of "God is the real bad guy" takes on religion
Jesus was actually opposed to the malevolent creator:

 

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