@MODAT7 and @2021, consider this a warning. Keep things civil at all times. This is a place for open discussion and exchanges, not for name calling and insults. If you can't use the forum properly, without going over the line, we won't let you ruin it for everyone else.
I'll start by apologizing to 2021. I was pushing looking for answers and understanding. I'll extend that apology to Num7 and the forum.
In old samurai culture there was some term for crossing swords to know your opponent. I've been looking for the Japanese term, but can't find it. Since I'm borderline autistic, there are some things I have trouble figuring out with people. I look at information, reactions, counter reactions, new data, new reactions, directions, and subtle and forced responses. This started getting out of hand over several threads, but I really wanted to see the last response. I really am trying to analyze and understand, although it may not seem like it to some others. I think I'm done with that.
Getting back on topic...
deathofbeauty: I've been getting in trouble when talking about civil war. PM me if you wish to discuss it. To be clear: I've never called for civil war. I'm warning against what's on the horizon. There are a lot of tensions in this country that need to be toned down. This gets too heated when talked about in the open.
2021: Getting back to your Trump links...
The Larry Sanders links already discredited Wikipedia (him being the co-founder and experienced technical writer).
The Daily Beast is a tabloid news website and not very reliable. Have a look at all the articles on the main page. If you're looking for straight news, don't go there.
19thnews.org is a radical left propagana website. I judge that by the 4th Larry link I posted. After just a few minutes, I found 4 major things wrong before getting bored and giving up. 1) That article is all accusation without any counter arguments. There are always counter arguments to accusations. 2) That article mixes rape and far lesser accusations, also among multiple people. This is a common trick to make the lesser charges sound far worse (preconditioning the reader). This is a trick to make a negative article look much longer by line count. There was also an anonymous source listed, which is just libel at this point. I don't approve of inappropriate touching, but anyone can make accusations, and a number of accusations are later proven false or simply "disappear". While I don't approve of "locker room talk", it's always exagerated and of poor reliability. 3) Doing a quick scan of their other articles, these also seem to be highly one sided. So this is a trend. 4) On their about page, they make many claims about their values that don't stand up to cross examination. Anybody can make any claims they want to. Most sites do this for the "feel good" value and trying to legitimize themselves. ... I'm crossing this web site off the straight news list.
I have no interest in hearing what Epstein claims. Many things said have been disproven. This destroys his credibility. Anybody can shoot their mouth off about celebrities and politicians under the 1st Ammendment... especially when fighting. While I don't approve of the slander and libel, the courts rarely allow the victim to prevail.
Here's something else to read. (Yes, I feel odd posting another wiki link after Larry discredited them... but this one isn't too bad)
I'll start by apologizing to 2021. I was pushing looking for answers and understanding. I'll extend that apology to Num7 and the forum.
In old samurai culture there was some term for crossing swords to know your opponent. I've been looking for the Japanese term, but can't find it. Since I'm borderline autistic, there are some things I have trouble figuring out with people. I look at information, reactions, counter reactions, new data, new reactions, directions, and subtle and forced responses. This started getting out of hand over several threads, but I really wanted to see the last response. I really am trying to analyze and understand, although it may not seem like it to some others. I think I'm done with that.
Getting back on topic...
deathofbeauty: I've been getting in trouble when talking about civil war. PM me if you wish to discuss it. To be clear: I've never called for civil war. I'm warning against what's on the horizon. There are a lot of tensions in this country that need to be toned down. This gets too heated when talked about in the open.
2021: Getting back to your Trump links...
The Larry Sanders links already discredited Wikipedia (him being the co-founder and experienced technical writer).
The Daily Beast is a tabloid news website and not very reliable. Have a look at all the articles on the main page. If you're looking for straight news, don't go there.
19thnews.org is a radical left propagana website. I judge that by the 4th Larry link I posted. After just a few minutes, I found 4 major things wrong before getting bored and giving up. 1) That article is all accusation without any counter arguments. There are always counter arguments to accusations. 2) That article mixes rape and far lesser accusations, also among multiple people. This is a common trick to make the lesser charges sound far worse (preconditioning the reader). This is a trick to make a negative article look much longer by line count. There was also an anonymous source listed, which is just libel at this point. I don't approve of inappropriate touching, but anyone can make accusations, and a number of accusations are later proven false or simply "disappear". While I don't approve of "locker room talk", it's always exagerated and of poor reliability. 3) Doing a quick scan of their other articles, these also seem to be highly one sided. So this is a trend. 4) On their about page, they make many claims about their values that don't stand up to cross examination. Anybody can make any claims they want to. Most sites do this for the "feel good" value and trying to legitimize themselves. ... I'm crossing this web site off the straight news list.
I have no interest in hearing what Epstein claims. Many things said have been disproven. This destroys his credibility. Anybody can shoot their mouth off about celebrities and politicians under the 1st Ammendment... especially when fighting. While I don't approve of the slander and libel, the courts rarely allow the victim to prevail.
Here's something else to read. (Yes, I feel odd posting another wiki link after Larry discredited them... but this one isn't too bad)
Apology accepted. I understand that politics can get heated.
As for Epstein, it’s not just Epstein words. It’s Trumps numerous interactions with him, some photographed when Trump was younger as well as older, his documented times on Epsteins plane, among others, that put the nail in the coffin for me.
However, I’m not interested in debating someone who claims fake news about all the sources I provide. I will just say this: Donald Trump said he can grab women by the pussy because he is famous, and you think the accusations are baseless? He practically admitted it and proved he can get away with it because people love him for some reason or another.
Now, this is why I will no longer respond to people who claim fake news after this. Articles or websites that you don’t agree with are biased or fake news, while ones you agree with, even from the same “biased” source, are just fine. It’s inconsistent and impossible to debate when people just cherry pick what they believe to be true.
I appreciate you trying to debate me on these issues but it just is not going to work. I could go find plenty of other sources instead of grabbing the top links, but I’m sure you’d just say those are biased or fake too. You also haven’t said if you support healthcare for all, which would solve your healthcare issues, and I think there’s a reason for that.
What the government gets involved with, the government screws up. We didn't need another bloated healthcare agency. Medicare already fits that bill. There's already billions of dollars of fraud in it. If that money was properly managed and tracked, people could get a lot more help than what they're getting now. If Obama/Biden/Pelosi pushed for medicare for all way back then, it still would have sucked, but at least I'd have far more doctors and options. When my dying mother was on medicare, she didn't have anything nice to say about it. I had to help her a little, and I didn't have anything nice to say about it afterwards.
Again, we didn't need another bloated healthcare agency. Existing rules for private insurance could have easily been modified, and I wouldn't be trapped in the situation I'm in right now. This is the solution that should be done. By the time this actually gets fixed at the "speed of government", it will be too late for me.
As far as fake news goes... I realize there's bias on both sides, but self proclaimed journalists who have little journalistic integrity aren't news sources. They're preachers. Their stories have very poor foundations and make the people lose trust in them. Real news can easily stand up to cross examination and has nothing to fear from it.
I hope you've noticed that the extremely one sided "news" agencies have poor ratings and are going under. There's a reason for that.
Not debating but what is your opinion of some prophetic theory decades ago about the progression of the design of the USA flag supposedly under its last administration? And the theory of the Prophecy of the Popes theorizing that Francis is the last Pope of the Vatican. So these theories seem to be coming to a point in “eternity” where the culmination of existence is epiphanic (if that’s a word )
There's controversy over our flag? I haven't heard that one. I've heard of the prophecy of the popes, but I've never been Catholic, so I don't have much of an opinion. The prophecy could indicate the world apocalpyse where everything goes under, or it could indicate some failure in the Catholic Church where it goes under and is replaced by something else.
Sure. To some degree I fell into the theory of existing in my universe where the non experiential universe outside my physical presence does not physically exist as though everything outside my presence is some kind of simulation.
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