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<blockquote data-quote="SomethingCursed" data-source="post: 167419" data-attributes="member: 10097"><p>A: Everything in life hangs in balance by the threat of force or violence. The only reason as to why you aren't assaulted every time you step outside (or into a store for example), is because deep down.. people fear what you may do in return (fight back). This is simply nature. You talk as if it's a bad thing. If there were no threat of violence (or force), there'd be total chaos and anarchy. People are like kids, if kids are never spanked (or there is no threat of spanking), they tear everything down</p><p></p><p>B: "right to own and any all property acquired through honest means" What is honest means? Let's say (for instance), a woman is property of a man. Ok. I see a girl, she's my wife. Now.. you also want her to be your wife. So how will we settle this?</p><p></p><p>The courts? Before you could sue, you just took stuff or settled it like cavemen.</p><p></p><p>What is getting it by honest means? You could say I got my wife by honest means (I was there first!), but one may have to defend what you get by the threat of force or violence (dishonest means)</p><p></p><p>If I go buy land, is that honest means? In America, the land you buy was most likely stolen from Native Americans... that's theft, and genocide. Not very honest is it?</p><p></p><p>> You have a right to do whatever you want as long as it isn't violating others</p><p></p><p>Says who?</p><p></p><p>> nor are you subject to any laws or fictitious authority</p><p></p><p>Simply put, if you are pulled over with a ton of guns and ammo.. and you say "i'm a sovereign citizen, you're not real. You're not the boss of me!". Not only will you get tazed, but you will be jailed for not cooperating with a sworn officer of the law. Basically, that's not fictitious authority. That's real authority.</p><p></p><p>We are subject to laws of people (see: government) whom we pay our taxes (kind of like rent. We pay them $$$ in the form of taxes for the privilege of living in their borders, we abide by their terms..If you break those terms, you go to jail) we pay taxes to.</p><p></p><p>Anyone refusing to obey the law, is a criminal, an outlaw and is living outside of those laws. What's more is, people who claim that the laws and rules don't apply to them.. are the first ones to call for 911 and help when SHTF.</p><p></p><p>Oh no, someone broke into my house and is trying to rape my family.</p><p></p><p>Nope, the rules don't apply dude. That authority is just fiction! figure it out yourself.</p><p></p><p>> If a government employee such as law enFORCEment tries to make you do anything, you have a right to kill them, and should kill them, as it is defense, rightful and just</p><p></p><p>Did you just advocate for the murder of a police officer? That's communicating threats, perhaps even terroristic threats. Jesus. Someone get a mod in here, what is life.</p><p></p><p>No, you can't kill anyone especially not police officers.. because you WILL be stuck in a small cage, forced to live like a rat and essentially, be stuck in a human zoo until you leave this Earth. 0/10. Would not recommend anyone listen to this guy.</p><p></p><p>Believe what you will politically, but it is force which will either make your ideas just that.. ideas, or will make those ideas, the actual law.</p><p></p><p>The only way to get change is through force and violence, that's just how it is. Any ideology centered around, not using force.. just isn't gonna work, quite frankly.</p><p></p><p>You start off talking about getting property honestly (like buying already stolen land), and then you proceed to say just go kill a bunch of cops.</p><p></p><p>Are you on medication? (serious non-rhetorical question)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SomethingCursed, post: 167419, member: 10097"] A: Everything in life hangs in balance by the threat of force or violence. The only reason as to why you aren't assaulted every time you step outside (or into a store for example), is because deep down.. people fear what you may do in return (fight back). This is simply nature. You talk as if it's a bad thing. If there were no threat of violence (or force), there'd be total chaos and anarchy. People are like kids, if kids are never spanked (or there is no threat of spanking), they tear everything down B: "right to own and any all property acquired through honest means" What is honest means? Let's say (for instance), a woman is property of a man. Ok. I see a girl, she's my wife. Now.. you also want her to be your wife. So how will we settle this? The courts? Before you could sue, you just took stuff or settled it like cavemen. What is getting it by honest means? You could say I got my wife by honest means (I was there first!), but one may have to defend what you get by the threat of force or violence (dishonest means) If I go buy land, is that honest means? In America, the land you buy was most likely stolen from Native Americans... that's theft, and genocide. Not very honest is it? > You have a right to do whatever you want as long as it isn't violating others Says who? > nor are you subject to any laws or fictitious authority Simply put, if you are pulled over with a ton of guns and ammo.. and you say "i'm a sovereign citizen, you're not real. You're not the boss of me!". Not only will you get tazed, but you will be jailed for not cooperating with a sworn officer of the law. Basically, that's not fictitious authority. That's real authority. We are subject to laws of people (see: government) whom we pay our taxes (kind of like rent. We pay them $$$ in the form of taxes for the privilege of living in their borders, we abide by their terms..If you break those terms, you go to jail) we pay taxes to. Anyone refusing to obey the law, is a criminal, an outlaw and is living outside of those laws. What's more is, people who claim that the laws and rules don't apply to them.. are the first ones to call for 911 and help when SHTF. Oh no, someone broke into my house and is trying to rape my family. Nope, the rules don't apply dude. That authority is just fiction! figure it out yourself. > If a government employee such as law enFORCEment tries to make you do anything, you have a right to kill them, and should kill them, as it is defense, rightful and just Did you just advocate for the murder of a police officer? That's communicating threats, perhaps even terroristic threats. Jesus. Someone get a mod in here, what is life. No, you can't kill anyone especially not police officers.. because you WILL be stuck in a small cage, forced to live like a rat and essentially, be stuck in a human zoo until you leave this Earth. 0/10. Would not recommend anyone listen to this guy. Believe what you will politically, but it is force which will either make your ideas just that.. ideas, or will make those ideas, the actual law. The only way to get change is through force and violence, that's just how it is. Any ideology centered around, not using force.. just isn't gonna work, quite frankly. You start off talking about getting property honestly (like buying already stolen land), and then you proceed to say just go kill a bunch of cops. Are you on medication? (serious non-rhetorical question) [/QUOTE]
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