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Has anyone honestly ever preformed any form of "magic" that had results?
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<blockquote data-quote="ElementalDissonance" data-source="post: 92630" data-attributes="member: 6064"><p>I've pretty much given up on this line of thinking, as it's impossible to answer it to my satisfaction. It's sort of like telling someone they'll die of a heart attack at a specific time on a specific day, and when the day comes he's so terrified that you might be right, that he actually dies.</p><p></p><p>How can you prove that it wouldn't have happened if you'd never made the prediction?</p><p></p><p>Something interesting often happens when I write poetry. In the beginning stanzas I think of what to write, try to figure out what sounds good, what have you.</p><p></p><p>Then, gradually, something beyond my rational mind starts to take over. The poem writes itself, or something or someone writes through me. It becomes zero effort to find the next words.</p><p></p><p>Reading it later, I can see the process unfolding, and in my older poems I've noticed that the first stanza or two are pretty crappy compared to the rest. I've gotten a lot better, so the divide isn't always perceptible these days.</p><p></p><p>I can think of three major possible explanations. Either a part of me is able to access and recount future events; or the fact of writing out subconscious processes makes me experience them later in the physical world; or given enough time I'm bound to experience something similar enough to my poem that I can say "Aha!" and pat myself on the back for my prophetic abilities.</p><p></p><p>Honestly, all three explanations are plausible to me, so I just don't worry about the why's or how's anymore. However, I think it's much more interesting to believe that a part of me (call it a spirit guide or higher power if you prefer) is aware of where my path is leading, and helps me to emotionally prepare for certain events by giving me something to digest in advance.</p><p></p><p>When I was confused and struggling with these kinds of logical dilemmas, it helped me to realize that not only are there no effects without causes, but there are also no causes without effects. The future defines the past just as much as the past defines the future.</p><p></p><p>Divination and evocation are one and the same. They are both connections, and the particularity of connections is that they go both ways. This is why it's often recommended to learn to emotionally detach from what you're seeing or invoking, in order not to get tangled up in the storyline and risk hurting yourself in the process.</p><p></p><p>I don't know if I've answered your question. I've never researched prophetic poetry in particular, but have tried to gain a general understanding of the process as a whole.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ElementalDissonance, post: 92630, member: 6064"] I've pretty much given up on this line of thinking, as it's impossible to answer it to my satisfaction. It's sort of like telling someone they'll die of a heart attack at a specific time on a specific day, and when the day comes he's so terrified that you might be right, that he actually dies. How can you prove that it wouldn't have happened if you'd never made the prediction? Something interesting often happens when I write poetry. In the beginning stanzas I think of what to write, try to figure out what sounds good, what have you. Then, gradually, something beyond my rational mind starts to take over. The poem writes itself, or something or someone writes through me. It becomes zero effort to find the next words. Reading it later, I can see the process unfolding, and in my older poems I've noticed that the first stanza or two are pretty crappy compared to the rest. I've gotten a lot better, so the divide isn't always perceptible these days. I can think of three major possible explanations. Either a part of me is able to access and recount future events; or the fact of writing out subconscious processes makes me experience them later in the physical world; or given enough time I'm bound to experience something similar enough to my poem that I can say "Aha!" and pat myself on the back for my prophetic abilities. Honestly, all three explanations are plausible to me, so I just don't worry about the why's or how's anymore. However, I think it's much more interesting to believe that a part of me (call it a spirit guide or higher power if you prefer) is aware of where my path is leading, and helps me to emotionally prepare for certain events by giving me something to digest in advance. When I was confused and struggling with these kinds of logical dilemmas, it helped me to realize that not only are there no effects without causes, but there are also no causes without effects. The future defines the past just as much as the past defines the future. Divination and evocation are one and the same. They are both connections, and the particularity of connections is that they go both ways. This is why it's often recommended to learn to emotionally detach from what you're seeing or invoking, in order not to get tangled up in the storyline and risk hurting yourself in the process. I don't know if I've answered your question. I've never researched prophetic poetry in particular, but have tried to gain a general understanding of the process as a whole. [/QUOTE]
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