HIV does not cause AIDS

[Darkwolf]

Re: HIV does not cause AIDS

The Center for Disease Control (CDC) here in the States is attempting to produce a hybrid virus of the Avian virus (bird flu) and the latest strain of the Asian flu virus. This is being done under the story of creating a hybrid virus so a vaccine can be developed because that is a way for the Avian virus to make the jump from birds to humans in a way that would make the virus contagious between humans. Interesting. If by some \"accident\" this new hybrid virus \"gets out\" a lot of people will die. The Avian virus has about a 70% mortality (death) rate. The \"Spanish flu\" of 1918 killed over 20 million people world wide. It had about a 2% mortality rate. With over 6 billion humans on the planet now, a highly contageous virus with a 70% mortality rate would kill billions. Talk about population control. And this virus doesn't take years to kill people like HIV and AIDS. It kills in a matter of weeks and months. Hang on to your hats if the CDC has an \"accident.\"

Why do I have a sudden urge to go talk to a very old woman in Nebraska?

 

[StarLord]

Re: HIV does not cause AIDS

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>

I've heard that, but I don't see how it would profit anyone to get rid of gays. They are no more or less pollitically aware than the rest of us, they don't have any special abilities. I don't see how getting rid of them would in any way further a control plot of any kind. Other than they are attracted to the same sex, they aren't any different from the rest of us. Why would somone bother?[/b]

On both coasts SF & NY they were emerging as united political activists with some serious money behind them and more than serious drives. Where else have you seen a seriously funded, Driven, Intelligent political force to be dealt with?

Something tells me that whom ever thought about their demise forgot about bisexuals and needle users. just my opinion.

 

[Darkwolf]

Re: HIV does not cause AIDS

Where else have you seen a seriously funded, Driven, Intelligent political force to be dealt with?

Lots of different places, many of them bigger, and more intelligent. I think they were as a population vulnerable to the virus for the same reason they were catching everything else. They are more permiscous, and engage in higher risk activities than the general population. You know, sleep with a dozen new people a week, you are going to come out with pets you did not want. So when a nes disease came along that spread that way, it of course spread faster within that population. Nature of the beast.

 

[CaryP]

Re: HIV does not cause AIDS

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"StarLord\")</div>

On both coasts SF & NY they were emerging as united political activists with some serious money behind them and more than serious drives. Where else have you seen a seriously funded, Driven, Intelligent political force to be dealt with?

Something tells me that whom ever thought about their demise forgot about bisexuals and needle users. just my opinion.[/b]

My take is it was started in the gay community to mask how it could spread into the heterosexual community. Read what the article said about what the govt. told us in the beginning of the AIDS outbreak.

I have always said, and our forefathers told us this, that the greatest threat to the people is always government. Not foreign governments, but our own government. What has the government told us about AIDS?

* It is a homosexual disease -- homosexuals certainly spread it but the primary responsibility wasn\'t theirs.
* It\'s related to anal intercourse only -- wrong.
* Only a small percentage of those testing positive for AIDS would get the disease -- wrong.
* It came from the African green monkey -- wrong.
* It came from the cytomegalovirus -- wrong.
* It was due to popping amyl nitrate with sex -- wrong.
* It was started 400 years ago by the Portuguese -- wrong. (It started 1n 1972).
* You can\'t get it from mosquitos -- wrong
* The virus can\'t live outside the body -- wrong. ?

Make it something those "evil homos get as God's revenge on their sinful lifestyle" and the "straights" have nothing to worry about. A sneaky way of getting it into the general populace. Make the majority think they're not susceptible to it. Make it an "addicts and homos only" disease, and the rest of the populace won't be concerned about it until it's too late.

Just my thoughts.

Cary

 

[XDrFirefly]

Re: HIV does not cause AIDS

<a href=\'http://http//npg.nature.com/news/2005/050307/full/050307-15.html\' target=\'_blank\'>Did Black Death boost HIV immunity in Europe?</a></span>


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<a href=\'http://http://npg.nature.com/news/2005/050307/full/050307-15.html\' target=\'_blank\'>Did Black Death boost HIV immunity in Europe?</a>

<a href=\'http://npg.nature.com/news/about/aboutus.html#Hopkin\' target=\'_blank\'>Michael Hopkin</a> ?<img src=\'http://npg.nature.com/images/spacer.gif\' border=\'0\' alt=\'user posted image\'> ?<a href=\'http://\' target=\'_blank\'></a>Experts argue over whether smallpox or plague should take the credit. ?<img src=\'http://npg.nature.com/images/spacer.gif\' border=\'0\' alt=\'user posted image\'><img src=\'http://npg.nature.com/news/images/spacer_pink.gif\' border=\'0\' alt=\'user posted image\'><img src=\'http://npg.nature.com/images/spacer.gif\' border=\'0\' alt=\'user posted image\'> ? <img src=\'http://npg.nature.com/news/2005/050307//images/plague.jpg\' border=\'0\' alt=\'user posted image\'>
<img src=\'http://npg.nature.com/news/images/spacer.gif\' border=\'0\' alt=\'user posted image\'>
Deaths from plague in the Middle Ages may have left more people with a gene that guards against HIV.

? AP Photo ?Devastating epidemics that swept Europe during the Middle Ages seem to have had an unexpected benefit - leaving 10% of today\'s Europeans resistant to HIV infection.

But epidemics of which disease? Researchers claimed this week that plague helped boost our immunity to HIV, but rival teams are arguing that the credit should go to smallpox.

What is clear is that something has boosted the prevalence of a mutation that helps protect against the virus. The mutation, which affects a protein called CCR5 on the surface of white blood cells, prevents HIV from entering these cells and damaging the immune system.

Around 10% of today\'s Europeans carry the mutation, a significantly higher proportion than in other populations. Why is it so common in Europe? One possibility is that it favours carriers by protecting them from disease. But geneticists know that the mutation, called CCR5-<img src=\'http://npg.nature.com/__chars/_delta/black/med/base/glyph.gif\' border=\'0\' alt=\'user posted image\'>32, appeared some 2,500 years ago - long before HIV reared its head.

\"You need something that has been around for generation upon generation,\" explains Christopher Duncan of the University of Liverpool, UK, who led the latest analysis. Plague fits the bill, he and his colleagues conclude from a mathematical modelling study published in the Journal of Medical Genetics<a href=\'http://npg.nature.com/news/2005/050307/full/050307-15.html#B1\' target=\'_blank\'>1</a>.

?<img src=\'http://npg.nature.com/news/images/columns_qt_left.gif\' border=\'0\' alt=\'user posted image\'> You need something that has been around for generation upon generation. <img src=\'http://npg.nature.com/news/images/columns_qt_right.gif\' border=\'0\' alt=\'user posted image\'><img src=\'http://npg.nature.com/images/spacer.gif\' border=\'0\' alt=\'user posted image\'>
Christopher Duncan
University of Liverpool, UK<img src=\'http://npg.nature.com/images/spacer.gif\' border=\'0\' alt=\'user posted image\'><img src=\'http://npg.nature.com/images/spacer.gif\' border=\'0\' alt=\'user posted image\'> ?Repeated outbreaks

Duncan\'s team points out that when the Black Death first struck, killing some 40% of Europeans between 1347 and 1350, only 1 person in 20,000 had the CCR5-<img src=\'http://npg.nature.com/__chars/_delta/black/med/base/glyph.gif\' border=\'0\' alt=\'user posted image\'>32 mutation. As the centuries wore on, repeated outbreaks, culminating in the Great Plague of London in the 1660s, have occurred in tandem with rises in the mutation\'s frequency.

Other experts are not convinced, however. A similar study<a href=\'http://npg.nature.com/news/2005/050307/full/050307-15.html#B2\' target=\'_blank\'>2</a> published in 2003 suggests that it was smallpox that boosted the mutation\'s frequency. \"Smallpox would still be my favoured hypothesis,\" comments Neil Ferguson, an infectious disease expert at Imperial College in London, who was not involved in the study.

Duncan counters that smallpox has only been a serious threat in Europe since the 1600s, which may not have been enough time to have such a big genetic effect. But Ferguson argues that the influence of smallpox over the centuries may have been underestimated, because it largely affected children.

?<img src=\'http://npg.nature.com/news/images/columns_qt_left.gif\' border=\'0\' alt=\'user posted image\'> Smallpox would still be my favoured hypothesis. <img src=\'http://npg.nature.com/news/images/columns_qt_right.gif\' border=\'0\' alt=\'user posted image\'><img src=\'http://npg.nature.com/images/spacer.gif\' border=\'0\' alt=\'user posted image\'>
Neil Ferguson
Imperial College, London<img src=\'http://npg.nature.com/images/spacer.gif\' border=\'0\' alt=\'user posted image\'><img src=\'http://npg.nature.com/images/spacer.gif\' border=\'0\' alt=\'user posted image\'> ?\"Smallpox seems the most parsimonious explanation,\" he adds. He points out that one major problem with Duncan\'s plague theory is that it requires a rethink of how plague was caused. If those with a virus-blocking mutation were more likely to survive, it follows that plague would have been caused by a virus. But the conventional view is that the plague epidemics of the Middle Ages were caused by a bacterium, Yersinia pestis.

Rats off the hook

Duncan admits that his theory is difficult to prove. But he argues that the outbreaks are easier to explain if one assumes that plague was passed directly from person to person as a virus, rather than the \'bubonic plague\' that was caused by bacteria carried by rats and their fleas. \"Rats are absolutely in the clear for Europe,\" he argues.

If that\'s true, then Duncan can explain not only the mutation\'s average levels in Europe, but also the fact that people in Finland and Russia have the highest level, around 16%, whereas a mere 4% of Sardinians possess it.

He points out that outbreaks of feverish viral disease continued in Scandinavia and Russia for far longer than in the rest of the continent, reinforcing the mutation\'s status as a valuable asset. \"It was mouldering on until about 1800 in northern Europe.\"

References

1. Duncan ? ? ? S. R., ? ? ? Scott ? ? ? S. & ? ? ? Duncan ? ? ? C. J. J. ? ? ?Med. Genet. ?42, 205 - 208 (2005). | <a href=\'http://chemport.cas.org/cgi-bin/sdcgi?APP=ftslink&action=reflink&origin=npg&version=1.0&coi=1:STN:280C%2BD2M7htlGitw%3D%3D&pissn=&pyear=2005&md5=5def2bd1e0d5dad8708b680cdc6830ad\' target=\'_blank\'>ChemPort</a> |
2. Galvani ? ? ? A. P. & ? ? ? Slatkin ? ? ? M. ? ? ? Proc. Natl Acad. Sci. USA ?100, 15276 - 15279 (2005).

<span style=\'colorurple\'>This is kind of a neat twist?

Dr FF

 

[StarLord]

Re: HIV does not cause AIDS

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>

Lots of different places, many of them bigger, and more intelligent. I think they were as a population vulnerable to the virus for the same reason they were catching everything else. They are more permiscous, and engage in higher risk activities than the general population. You know, sleep with a dozen new people a week, you are going to come out with pets you did not want. So when a nes disease came along that spread that way, it of course spread faster within that population. Nature of the beast.[/b]

If I am not mistaken, the gay 'bathhouse' scene put any straight orgy senario some might be able to come up with to serious shame. This mutiple partner nightly zoofest made some airports look like a small time speakeasy. These were known actions.

More intelligent? I don't think so, many of the 'connected' gays were all ivy leaguers and very wealthy. Victorian houses are not cheap in large cities.

 

[artsouth]

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well from the resident " homo" .... ha! ha! yes its been a devastateing thing to our community but i don't hear that much about it these days... as i don't know of but one guy who has hiv . and i do know a lot of people .... i know you wouldent think that there would be a large homosexual population in of all places west virginia but this is a college town and yes there is a large number in the entire state as well, yes i think its a bum wrap .. and there are a great many myths surrounding us ... but ive always known in my heart that this disease was created to exterminate us , the black population and anyone who wasent a w a s p ..... ive never trusted the goverment , for example who decided that they could mass medicate the american population with sodium flouride? a known corrosive and a byproduct of nucler waste. its a well known joke about people in wv missing teeth .... well it isent any wonder. as the municipaties over flourinate and over chlorinate our water supply, some times the chlorine smell will knock you down when you turn the faucet on..we also have an abundance of chemtrails almost daily... but if you try and bring this to anyones attention ,it fall upon deaf ears...god forbid that anyone might think for themselves . they are content beliveing the plastic media mouth pieces with there permanet plastic smiles and the news from pleasentville somewhere in never,never land .with the white washed picked fences and the apple pie with everything adorrned in the red white and blue.... nooooo not our goverment ,why they would never do anything like thatnot here in mayberry....heck lets just go fishin ... did aunt bea fix us up a picknick basket?:lol:



p.s. and contrary to popular myths:

most homosexuals are not the limp wristed " fags" ,most were taught te fear,hate, ect...thats only 10% they make it hard for the rest of us... if you ever met me you would never know it ... i work on cars i carpender , ifarm ect im just a guy kinda hippie realy that just so happens to like the same sex ..i dident choose it i poped out the whom this way, gods plan for me ( i think that homosexuals are natures form of population control) ive seen it in animals as well.




married , know ive no need for that i know hundreads of "gay" people and ive yet to meet anyone of the that wanted to get married ,i am p****d that bush used us as a pawn to win a? ....... well my consioence wont let me call it an election. maybe a few gay's in sf or nyc , who whats that? as it is now if you split you take your stuff,and he take his anything common is split. if it aint broke don't fix it.... although all we want is domestic rights so if ones in the hospital the other can visit maqke decicions ect, and tax breaks like married people have, and why not. they don't mind collecting taxes from us...is that not taxation without repesntation???



no we dont recruit people .... who would need too...

you cant make someone homosexual they either are or are not ...


the famed sodom and gommorah of the bible, was destroyed for inhospitality , not homosexuality, as many like to quote.. also i belive that jesus would say different ,as he walked among the sinners ,postitutes and theives...


what is realy very sad is the teenage suisides that stem from a teen not feeling like he /she can be who they are .how god made them to be ,so in desperation they take there own lives because they fear ,there parents,and socitiy as a whole...


i myself have pretty though skin ... it realy take a lot to offend me where this subject is concerned,yeah sometimes it hurts but,ive heard and seen so much i guess in numb from it...



i apologise for ranting , its not often i try and clear up some of the myths , but this seems to be a subject that needs addressing ... i belive i have seen and heard it all where this is concernd...i just thought it might be helpfull to everyones understanding of the topic....we wrote most of the gay joke too , let me know ill post some ? some are really funny...

 

[artsouth]

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well im a poor one... hell its all i can do to keep the bills paid, and if we have titors civil war , im prepared for that too. im a survivor,i was a marine , i can grow my own food and i can purfiy water and defend myself,in fact i try to encourage all gay people to learn these skills as i have and become not dependent on any one else for no one would help you any way ...ive been told by my own people that i was a millitant queer.... ha! ha! prepared yes. but hardly millitant...

 

[CaryP]

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Hey artsouth,

It's cool here pal. I have several gay friends, and they tell me the same thing. You're born gay or you're not. Hell, I believe in reincarnation, and one or more of my past lives, I've had to have been gay. So what the hell. As the scene they cut from Spartacus where Lawrence Olivier asks Kirk Douglas about tastes. Some like oysters, some like clams (or something similar). It's a matter of taste. You like guys? Go for it big guy. I like females. Some like oysters, some like clams. The hell does it matter in the big picture? It don't. Keep truckin' bud. It's all good.

Cary

 

[artsouth]

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cool! thanks cary.... i wasent trying to come of defenseive or anything like that ,i was reading the post and thought that maybe i could clear some things up...i hope i dident offened anyone,i belive in reincarnation too, a psycic once told me that i was an old soul and had reincarnated 6 or 8 times and that i was once a female french prostitute in ww1.... ,that might explaine it.ha!ha!....