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<blockquote data-quote="sosuemetoo" data-source="post: 9513" data-attributes="member: 11"><p><strong>Islam</strong></p><p></p><p>Pyro, I'm happy that you have brought this subject up. We are not going to "bash" religions here, but debate.</p><p></p><p>I live in America where we have become so politically correct that it almost becomes offensive when the discussion of Islam comes up. I continue to hear that it is a peaceful religion, we have freedom of religion, to debate Islam is to "stir up the enemy." In other words, It's not "nice" to say that we do not agree with Islam.</p><p></p><p>I need to preface this post with the fact that I took only one semester of "Islamic Culture" and one semester of "Women in Islam" in the past 5 years. I dated a Muslim man for five years (15 some years ago). I am a Christian. If there is anyone that practices Islam that disagrees with what I say, please say it. It will not offend me. I am only saying what I learned and what I lived.</p><p></p><p>One of the fallacies I see with Islam is that it would make women equal. It did not. The opinion of four women = one male in the Koran. According to the Koran, women are to veil themselves, never look in a man's eyes (that are not their husbands), and always be in the company of a male that is their father, their older brother or their husband. In the African Islamic culture, there is female circumcision. This is not only wrong, but barbaric. This circumcision is done without medication and to the detriment of the 2-5 year old girl.</p><p></p><p>Polygamy is acceptable in the Islamic religion. Women accept this for several reasons. The older wife will be a "helpmate" to the younger wife. She will almost become a "mother" to the younger wife and help raise the children. Most of the time, women will accept it because it is the "norm" and they do not realize that marriage is supposed to be between one man and one woman.</p><p></p><p>The practice of "child brides" is well known in the Islamic community. The reasoning behind it is to make sure that the female in the marriage is a virgin and to expand the riches future husband. The female's future husband is given money or a "dowry" when the female is "promised" to him. The female never has the option of whether or not to marry the man.</p><p></p><p>Temporary marriages are quite common especially with older Islamic men who have lost a wife. Many times these men will be "promised" to several young girls. The promise is that when the older wife dies, he will marry the "next in line" that he is promised to, and she will help bring up the children at home that the older wife left behind. He will also collect the dowry.</p><p></p><p>It is true in Islam that a husband is allowed to beat his wife or a woman who is promised to him, but not to the point of killing her. However, the killing of the wife by a husband is usually justified.</p><p></p><p>Finally:</p><p>It upsets me that the "jihadists" wish me dead simply because I am an American and a Christian. My country has donated and funded Islamic nations for longer than I can remember. My Catholic and Methodist religion has done the same. Yet they want me, my husband and my children dead. I have to ask why? What did I ever do to them? </p><p></p><p>I'm to the point of saying "If you want us out of your country, then fine. America and all Christians will cease sending funds, education, food, and anything else you might need to survive, if that is what it will take for you to stop hating us. You asked us for help, and we gave it. All we ever wanted to do was to help you when you asked for it."</p><p></p><p>As for the UN and Nato: America should cease sending aid, food, funds and/or troops. No one really appreciates it anymore. We've liberated and saved several countries in the past 60 years, and no one seems to say "Thank You." They just want to bash us and hate us. In the future, we'll just take care of ourselves.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sosuemetoo, post: 9513, member: 11"] [b]Islam[/b] Pyro, I'm happy that you have brought this subject up. We are not going to "bash" religions here, but debate. I live in America where we have become so politically correct that it almost becomes offensive when the discussion of Islam comes up. I continue to hear that it is a peaceful religion, we have freedom of religion, to debate Islam is to "stir up the enemy." In other words, It's not "nice" to say that we do not agree with Islam. I need to preface this post with the fact that I took only one semester of "Islamic Culture" and one semester of "Women in Islam" in the past 5 years. I dated a Muslim man for five years (15 some years ago). I am a Christian. If there is anyone that practices Islam that disagrees with what I say, please say it. It will not offend me. I am only saying what I learned and what I lived. One of the fallacies I see with Islam is that it would make women equal. It did not. The opinion of four women = one male in the Koran. According to the Koran, women are to veil themselves, never look in a man's eyes (that are not their husbands), and always be in the company of a male that is their father, their older brother or their husband. In the African Islamic culture, there is female circumcision. This is not only wrong, but barbaric. This circumcision is done without medication and to the detriment of the 2-5 year old girl. Polygamy is acceptable in the Islamic religion. Women accept this for several reasons. The older wife will be a "helpmate" to the younger wife. She will almost become a "mother" to the younger wife and help raise the children. Most of the time, women will accept it because it is the "norm" and they do not realize that marriage is supposed to be between one man and one woman. The practice of "child brides" is well known in the Islamic community. The reasoning behind it is to make sure that the female in the marriage is a virgin and to expand the riches future husband. The female's future husband is given money or a "dowry" when the female is "promised" to him. The female never has the option of whether or not to marry the man. Temporary marriages are quite common especially with older Islamic men who have lost a wife. Many times these men will be "promised" to several young girls. The promise is that when the older wife dies, he will marry the "next in line" that he is promised to, and she will help bring up the children at home that the older wife left behind. He will also collect the dowry. It is true in Islam that a husband is allowed to beat his wife or a woman who is promised to him, but not to the point of killing her. However, the killing of the wife by a husband is usually justified. Finally: It upsets me that the "jihadists" wish me dead simply because I am an American and a Christian. My country has donated and funded Islamic nations for longer than I can remember. My Catholic and Methodist religion has done the same. Yet they want me, my husband and my children dead. I have to ask why? What did I ever do to them? I'm to the point of saying "If you want us out of your country, then fine. America and all Christians will cease sending funds, education, food, and anything else you might need to survive, if that is what it will take for you to stop hating us. You asked us for help, and we gave it. All we ever wanted to do was to help you when you asked for it." As for the UN and Nato: America should cease sending aid, food, funds and/or troops. No one really appreciates it anymore. We've liberated and saved several countries in the past 60 years, and no one seems to say "Thank You." They just want to bash us and hate us. In the future, we'll just take care of ourselves. [/QUOTE]
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