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<blockquote data-quote="pauli" data-source="post: 9599" data-attributes="member: 88"><p><strong>Re: Islam</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>Thanks Starlord. I guess I was so caught up in posting the other night that I failed to acknowledge your kind words. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite38" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>The one thing I want to add to this discussion is this. It gives me no pleasure to present my ideas about Islam on the board. I know I come across as anti-Muslim and that is something that upsets me. In my personal life, I am a "live-and-let-live" person. I don't believe in the superiority or inferiority of human beings. I can see the marvel of different cultures and their intricate and interesting variations. In truth, I am as much an "enlightened" (whatever that means) Western intellectual as the next person. What has upset me more in learning about Islam and its bloody history is that I am forced into a position of making a stand. I can either allow myself to be forced into accepting this other culture's dominance over mine, or I have to stand up against it. I find that revolting. It would be one thing if Islam did not force others into its submission, but the fact is it does not. And pretending that away is very dangerous. </p><p> </p><p>I see the barbarism, deceit and dysfunction of a world religion/philosophy that will brook no room for any one else's point of view. It is as totalitarian as the Nazi's or the Communist dictatorships and yet the West is giving it a pass?? Have we lost our blinking minds??? This is why I express such passionate words. I simply am expressing a concern that we all, in the West, should have about neighbors who do not mix with us, will not mix with us and view us with extreme disdain and condescending superiority. Years ago I took a class in negotiations. The first thing they taught us about negotiating with someone is make sure they are interested in negotiating; otherwise you end up bidding against yourself. This is what I think about the dialogue between the West and Islam. We are willing to trade, to negotiate and believe the other side is as well because they flatter us with words and high praise. But, do they follow through on their promises? Do they do as much as they talk? Those are the things we should be measuring. Not listening and being obsequious because we hold a guilty conscious for our past sins. We should hold our partners accountable through straight dealing because if we do not, our good will will be used against us. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite40" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pauli, post: 9599, member: 88"] [b]Re: Islam[/b] Thanks Starlord. I guess I was so caught up in posting the other night that I failed to acknowledge your kind words. :) The one thing I want to add to this discussion is this. It gives me no pleasure to present my ideas about Islam on the board. I know I come across as anti-Muslim and that is something that upsets me. In my personal life, I am a "live-and-let-live" person. I don't believe in the superiority or inferiority of human beings. I can see the marvel of different cultures and their intricate and interesting variations. In truth, I am as much an "enlightened" (whatever that means) Western intellectual as the next person. What has upset me more in learning about Islam and its bloody history is that I am forced into a position of making a stand. I can either allow myself to be forced into accepting this other culture's dominance over mine, or I have to stand up against it. I find that revolting. It would be one thing if Islam did not force others into its submission, but the fact is it does not. And pretending that away is very dangerous. I see the barbarism, deceit and dysfunction of a world religion/philosophy that will brook no room for any one else's point of view. It is as totalitarian as the Nazi's or the Communist dictatorships and yet the West is giving it a pass?? Have we lost our blinking minds??? This is why I express such passionate words. I simply am expressing a concern that we all, in the West, should have about neighbors who do not mix with us, will not mix with us and view us with extreme disdain and condescending superiority. Years ago I took a class in negotiations. The first thing they taught us about negotiating with someone is make sure they are interested in negotiating; otherwise you end up bidding against yourself. This is what I think about the dialogue between the West and Islam. We are willing to trade, to negotiate and believe the other side is as well because they flatter us with words and high praise. But, do they follow through on their promises? Do they do as much as they talk? Those are the things we should be measuring. Not listening and being obsequious because we hold a guilty conscious for our past sins. We should hold our partners accountable through straight dealing because if we do not, our good will will be used against us. :( [/QUOTE]
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