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John Titor: Real Time Traveler or a Hoaxer?
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<blockquote data-quote="Apogee" data-source="post: 29287" data-attributes="member: 600"><p><strong>Re: John Titor Debate!</strong></p><p></p><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Roth Joint\")</div></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Well, that is entirely debatable Roth Joint. </p><p> </p><p>Its reasonable enough to harbour suspicions on the motivatons of politicians and their agendas I suppose...but there's more sanctity and hope in a small child's efforts to collect tin cans for a famine relief drive than all the compromised half-assed efforts of leaders round a summit table. Quite how you can dismiss every day, common charity work or the Live8 movement or the likes of Oxfam, Save The Children or any number of other organisations commited for so long to making an impact on the Africa problem, as being of short duration and quickly forgotten is beyond me. But even if we were to assume that its true for everyone ( when was the last time you marched or donated or took a stand politically?) this lack of altruism you seem to believe in would still not change the following fundamental fact:</p><p> </p><p>Human beings have evolved emotionally very little since the days of our Neanderthal cousins. I find it very difficult to believe that much will change on this score between now and 2036 no matter how much war and social upheaval takes place.</p><p> </p><p>Even in the highly unlikely event that the Titor posts are the genuine article, and he has developed his critical, condescending attitude to our world from the viewpoint of a future society pieced together from the remnants of the old, the people in it will be much the same in terms of their human failings as those that exist today. Whats more, I would say that a world that has a common expression along the lines of - ' a safe place is anywhere that a hungry person can't walk in a day' is about as far from the utopian ideal as can be imagined - regardless of whether Titor blames us for bringing those circumstances about.</p><p> </p><p>Titor's future world hasn't reached the enlightened heights of social perfection that in its selflessness, charity and ability to work together people don't need politicians or an army. Any society they've developed will be subject to the same corruption, fear, deceit and b/s that we must struggle against today. </p><p> </p><p>As 'Mr Dark' on another board put it:</p><p> </p><p>"...people in the year 2036 might well look back on the first years of the century as being a "golden age" of freedom and plenty, or a barbaric dystopia of ignorance and hypocrisy." </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>or, as would be more accurate, a society with both positive and negative qualities, like most other societies in human history.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>People are people no matter what decade they come from. We can only struggle to improve the justice built into our governments. The politicians of 2036 will be no different to the politicians of today. </p><p> </p><p>All the Titor Hoaxer has succeeded in doing with these cynical statements is illustrating the fact that the more things change - the more they stay the same. </p><p> </p><p>By passing judgement on our time, he has merely highlighted the hypocrisies and shortcomings of this fictional future of his. A future where people are no more and no less mercenary, exploitative and deceitful than they are today...</p><p> </p><p>...certainly something worth pondering as we sip thoughtfully from our John Titor mugs and recline in our John Titor T-shirts..</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Apogee, post: 29287, member: 600"] [b]Re: John Titor Debate![/b] <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Roth Joint\")</div> Well, that is entirely debatable Roth Joint. Its reasonable enough to harbour suspicions on the motivatons of politicians and their agendas I suppose...but there's more sanctity and hope in a small child's efforts to collect tin cans for a famine relief drive than all the compromised half-assed efforts of leaders round a summit table. Quite how you can dismiss every day, common charity work or the Live8 movement or the likes of Oxfam, Save The Children or any number of other organisations commited for so long to making an impact on the Africa problem, as being of short duration and quickly forgotten is beyond me. But even if we were to assume that its true for everyone ( when was the last time you marched or donated or took a stand politically?) this lack of altruism you seem to believe in would still not change the following fundamental fact: Human beings have evolved emotionally very little since the days of our Neanderthal cousins. I find it very difficult to believe that much will change on this score between now and 2036 no matter how much war and social upheaval takes place. Even in the highly unlikely event that the Titor posts are the genuine article, and he has developed his critical, condescending attitude to our world from the viewpoint of a future society pieced together from the remnants of the old, the people in it will be much the same in terms of their human failings as those that exist today. Whats more, I would say that a world that has a common expression along the lines of - ' a safe place is anywhere that a hungry person can't walk in a day' is about as far from the utopian ideal as can be imagined - regardless of whether Titor blames us for bringing those circumstances about. Titor's future world hasn't reached the enlightened heights of social perfection that in its selflessness, charity and ability to work together people don't need politicians or an army. Any society they've developed will be subject to the same corruption, fear, deceit and b/s that we must struggle against today. As 'Mr Dark' on another board put it: "...people in the year 2036 might well look back on the first years of the century as being a "golden age" of freedom and plenty, or a barbaric dystopia of ignorance and hypocrisy." or, as would be more accurate, a society with both positive and negative qualities, like most other societies in human history. People are people no matter what decade they come from. We can only struggle to improve the justice built into our governments. The politicians of 2036 will be no different to the politicians of today. All the Titor Hoaxer has succeeded in doing with these cynical statements is illustrating the fact that the more things change - the more they stay the same. By passing judgement on our time, he has merely highlighted the hypocrisies and shortcomings of this fictional future of his. A future where people are no more and no less mercenary, exploitative and deceitful than they are today... ...certainly something worth pondering as we sip thoughtfully from our John Titor mugs and recline in our John Titor T-shirts.. [/QUOTE]
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