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John Titor: Real Time Traveler or a Hoaxer?
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<blockquote data-quote="Apogee" data-source="post: 29311" data-attributes="member: 600"><p><strong>Re: John Titor Debate!</strong></p><p></p><p>Passive, that link doesn't work.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Someone put my thoughts on this quite well on another board...</p><p> </p><p>"Law enforcement officers are like a cross segment of any other profession in America. Most are good people trying to do a difficult job, some are bad, most are heroes some are criminals. </p><p>That said, we don't know exactly what happened at the scene yet and until we do, it's hard to say. I'm sure there was a designated shooter, and probably a sniper as well. In a perfect world, negotitations would have continued until the suspect surrendered peacefully. That didn't happen. </p><p> </p><p>Taking a single, well-aimed, instantly incapactiating shot would have been the next best option. That's nearly impossible even when the suspect is cooperating and not moving and shooting. </p><p> </p><p>In this case, if the reports are correct, the suspect was firing and had fired 40 rounds (Which could be part of the 90 the family says the police fired) in three separate engagements. He needed to be stopped so I would have ordered my best shooters to end the situation. I don't think for one minute there's a cop out there who would be happy to shoot an 18 month old child, and regardless of how this turns out, they did a tough job and ended an extremely dangerous situation. Some of them may never recover completely emotionally from what they just participated in. </p><p> </p><p>There will always be room to monday morning quarterback any critical incident, and there will always be valid criticisms of any police shooting, but we don't have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight as the incident is happening."</p><p> </p><p>And again, you DON'T know the circumstances. For all you know, the guy may have been advancing on the cop he'd wounded with the express purpose of finishing the job. If I was that downed cops partners then I would be in an impossible situation. Would I not take a risk in preserving the life of a guy I'd worked with for years, whose wife and family were friends I cared about?</p><p> </p><p>If the kid was hit by a single bullet, it sounds like some poor cop made an unlucky shot trying to bring the guy down. If you believe the mother of the kid the cops fired "like 300 shots" but as you say, we shouldn't believe everything we read, especially if the child died from a single bullet. Remember, there were three seperate occasions when these cops came under fire until one of them was hit so to say they didn't show restraint is untrue</p><p> </p><p>How about this nugget from CNN:</p><p> </p><p>"It was the second time in nine months that Los Angeles officers have fired on an assailant holding a hostage. In November, police shot a man who held a pregnant woman by the neck outside the Mexican Consulate. Officers pulled the woman away unharmed and the man later died."</p><p> </p><p>I suppose if that maniac had killed the pregnant woman and some other innocent bystander you would complain how they'd been incompetant allowing them to die and should have tried shooting the guy when they had the chance.</p><p> </p><p>Some mad gunman uses a baby as human shield, shoots at the cops on three seperate occasions, the kid dies and of course its the cop's fault.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Apogee, post: 29311, member: 600"] [b]Re: John Titor Debate![/b] Passive, that link doesn't work. Someone put my thoughts on this quite well on another board... "Law enforcement officers are like a cross segment of any other profession in America. Most are good people trying to do a difficult job, some are bad, most are heroes some are criminals. That said, we don't know exactly what happened at the scene yet and until we do, it's hard to say. I'm sure there was a designated shooter, and probably a sniper as well. In a perfect world, negotitations would have continued until the suspect surrendered peacefully. That didn't happen. Taking a single, well-aimed, instantly incapactiating shot would have been the next best option. That's nearly impossible even when the suspect is cooperating and not moving and shooting. In this case, if the reports are correct, the suspect was firing and had fired 40 rounds (Which could be part of the 90 the family says the police fired) in three separate engagements. He needed to be stopped so I would have ordered my best shooters to end the situation. I don't think for one minute there's a cop out there who would be happy to shoot an 18 month old child, and regardless of how this turns out, they did a tough job and ended an extremely dangerous situation. Some of them may never recover completely emotionally from what they just participated in. There will always be room to monday morning quarterback any critical incident, and there will always be valid criticisms of any police shooting, but we don't have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight as the incident is happening." And again, you DON'T know the circumstances. For all you know, the guy may have been advancing on the cop he'd wounded with the express purpose of finishing the job. If I was that downed cops partners then I would be in an impossible situation. Would I not take a risk in preserving the life of a guy I'd worked with for years, whose wife and family were friends I cared about? If the kid was hit by a single bullet, it sounds like some poor cop made an unlucky shot trying to bring the guy down. If you believe the mother of the kid the cops fired "like 300 shots" but as you say, we shouldn't believe everything we read, especially if the child died from a single bullet. Remember, there were three seperate occasions when these cops came under fire until one of them was hit so to say they didn't show restraint is untrue How about this nugget from CNN: "It was the second time in nine months that Los Angeles officers have fired on an assailant holding a hostage. In November, police shot a man who held a pregnant woman by the neck outside the Mexican Consulate. Officers pulled the woman away unharmed and the man later died." I suppose if that maniac had killed the pregnant woman and some other innocent bystander you would complain how they'd been incompetant allowing them to die and should have tried shooting the guy when they had the chance. Some mad gunman uses a baby as human shield, shoots at the cops on three seperate occasions, the kid dies and of course its the cop's fault. [/QUOTE]
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