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John Titor: Real Time Traveler or a Hoaxer?
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<blockquote data-quote="Apogee" data-source="post: 29325" data-attributes="member: 600"><p><strong>Re: John Titor Debate!</strong></p><p></p><p>JT predicted mad cow, CERN, 100,000 dead, destabilization of the west, the iraq war being based around a lie over WMDs, no more olympics etc. Can you top that?</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Let's get this straight so there's no doubt about where we stand with 'Titor's' 'predictions'....</p><p> </p><p>He claimed absolutely nothing whatsoever that was ( as you would expect of a time traveller and not one of the many millions of charlatans that have appeared through the ages )...completely irrefutable. </p><p> </p><p>Mad Cow was already a concern in the news. Fact. He 'predicted' a "breakthrough" at CERN - despite Titor apologists claiming so, this has NOT happened. Fact. The final death toll for the Tsunami was closer to 220, 000. Fact. Titor emphatically did NOT mention WMD's and his comments on Iraq and the nuclear question, as has been discussed at length, he left entirely open to the reader as to which direction he was pointing towards. Fact. The destabilisation of 'Europe' ( If we're going to discuss his claims let's be accurate ) hasn't happened in his time frame cos I live here, Mate, and as far as I can see -terrorist bombings don't even come into it -its business as usual. Fact. The Olympics, as far as I know (despite the best efforts of many Titorites on other boards to claim otherwise) are very much still on. Fact. </p><p> </p><p>And half way through 2005, there's no real sign of this civil war ( there's an oxy-moron if ever there was one). Unless you're planning on starting one.</p><p> </p><p>So you see, there is not a single one of the (remaining) claims by the hoaxer that is left standing unchallenged. It seems to me, that if I were a time traveller from years in the future I would have it within my power to assert at least ONE completely unassailable claim about future events. </p><p> </p><p>Just one.</p><p> </p><p>One.</p><p> </p><p>You know...</p><p> </p><p>just one.</p><p> </p><p>Titor has completely failed to provide even that. I regard those that defend him in the same manner as those who are taken in by the cold-reading 'psychics' who claim knowledge of a dearly departed relative...</p><p> </p><p>"I see a 'J'...yes...there's a Johnny here...no...there's a Jeremy here who wants to contact you...no...its a Jason...he's got something important to tell you...is it Jonah?....no...a James...that's it...a Julian...no....its just as you said....a John! That's right....a John with a message for you...!"</p><p> </p><p>Its not a question of sitting on the fence. Those that defend this stuff most fervently...WANT to believe it. They see nothing but the bad in the cops and the government and people in general and see some awful conflict brewing for that reason. Maybe they should stop being so critical of the people and the world around them and take a look at themselves instead. </p><p> </p><p>If those who hold Titor's so-called 'predictions' as iron-clad fact are so right then just about everyone should be on the verge of accepting them...and yet this is not the case...how do they account for the fact that its so mind-bogglingly easy to pick holes in them?</p><p> </p><p>And old Mrs Doak, the palm reader my Mum used to frequent didn't have to 'prove' that she talked to the spirits either. But that didn't mean she was ever short of willing and easily-beguiled customers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Apogee, post: 29325, member: 600"] [b]Re: John Titor Debate![/b] JT predicted mad cow, CERN, 100,000 dead, destabilization of the west, the iraq war being based around a lie over WMDs, no more olympics etc. Can you top that? Let's get this straight so there's no doubt about where we stand with 'Titor's' 'predictions'.... He claimed absolutely nothing whatsoever that was ( as you would expect of a time traveller and not one of the many millions of charlatans that have appeared through the ages )...completely irrefutable. Mad Cow was already a concern in the news. Fact. He 'predicted' a "breakthrough" at CERN - despite Titor apologists claiming so, this has NOT happened. Fact. The final death toll for the Tsunami was closer to 220, 000. Fact. Titor emphatically did NOT mention WMD's and his comments on Iraq and the nuclear question, as has been discussed at length, he left entirely open to the reader as to which direction he was pointing towards. Fact. The destabilisation of 'Europe' ( If we're going to discuss his claims let's be accurate ) hasn't happened in his time frame cos I live here, Mate, and as far as I can see -terrorist bombings don't even come into it -its business as usual. Fact. The Olympics, as far as I know (despite the best efforts of many Titorites on other boards to claim otherwise) are very much still on. Fact. And half way through 2005, there's no real sign of this civil war ( there's an oxy-moron if ever there was one). Unless you're planning on starting one. So you see, there is not a single one of the (remaining) claims by the hoaxer that is left standing unchallenged. It seems to me, that if I were a time traveller from years in the future I would have it within my power to assert at least ONE completely unassailable claim about future events. Just one. One. You know... just one. Titor has completely failed to provide even that. I regard those that defend him in the same manner as those who are taken in by the cold-reading 'psychics' who claim knowledge of a dearly departed relative... "I see a 'J'...yes...there's a Johnny here...no...there's a Jeremy here who wants to contact you...no...its a Jason...he's got something important to tell you...is it Jonah?....no...a James...that's it...a Julian...no....its just as you said....a John! That's right....a John with a message for you...!" Its not a question of sitting on the fence. Those that defend this stuff most fervently...WANT to believe it. They see nothing but the bad in the cops and the government and people in general and see some awful conflict brewing for that reason. Maybe they should stop being so critical of the people and the world around them and take a look at themselves instead. If those who hold Titor's so-called 'predictions' as iron-clad fact are so right then just about everyone should be on the verge of accepting them...and yet this is not the case...how do they account for the fact that its so mind-bogglingly easy to pick holes in them? And old Mrs Doak, the palm reader my Mum used to frequent didn't have to 'prove' that she talked to the spirits either. But that didn't mean she was ever short of willing and easily-beguiled customers. [/QUOTE]
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