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<blockquote data-quote="Keroscene" data-source="post: 38993" data-attributes="member: 508"><p><strong>Re: JREF - Million Dollar Challenge</strong></p><p></p><p>I can't say I've actually ever seen anyone do it in person. I've seen it done in videos and documentaries, though. I'm undecided in my beliefs about it, but I do find it interesting. Personally, I've carried lots of sticks and metal bars in my day and I've never had one unexpectedly pull towards the ground. Of course I didn't really want it to to begin with, so that might be part of the reason. I know a little about dowsing, but not a lot. I know people have been dousing for at least the last thousand years or so and there have been tests over the centuries to verify if it's reliable or not. The material or the dousing rod itself varies. The tests vary in their consistency. I remember one is Russia or Germany that was a big test with alot of participants and they had a very high success rate. I know that no matter where you are, if you drill a well deep enough in soil it will work for collecting water. Where I live it isn't really necessary to dowse though because the water table isn't very deep to begin with. I'm not sure how they do it in other parts of the country, but I've seen a couple wells go in and usually the position of the well is decided by where the house is sitting and it's opposite side of the septic tank and leech field. That kind of narrows it down for possible locations it can go. I know they try to avoid trees because of roots and bedrock when deciding the position. But will drill through both if it's necessary. The wells usually come with a standard pump size so it can't be too far from the house which is pretty important. Usually they drill to a minimum recommended depth for our area. I'm not a plumber though, so this is just going by what I've seen. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone's well around here drying up, but i know it does happen in other parts of the country.</p><p></p><p>My grandfather had a few metal detectors and I remember using them as a kid to search for buried treasure. It would beep and then I would dig like crazy thinking I just found the jackpot. I'd say at least half the time I'd dig down and not find anything at all. I'd think a metal detector would have a higher success rate than about half. Anyways, a metal detector might have a 100% success rate in controlled tests, but from my own experience I know it isn't that consistent in the field. THen again maybe it's not the tool that has the problem.</p><p></p><p>I wasn't intentionally trying discredit your story in my previous post. I didn't challenge the validity of it in any way, and I have no reason not to believe you. I hope I didn't make you feel like it was necessary to defend it. I can look at your story as if it were a verifiable fact, but that doesn't change me in being undecided. I just don't think it's possible for you to take an objective stance on all the facts of dowsing because of your personal belief bias, or confirmation bias. Not that I'm any more or less qualified than you to examine the data, but I am undecided on whether it's a reliable method or not, and at this point there isn't really any reason why I shouldn't be. Unfortunately there's this stigma that follows all boards of this nature where one is either a believer or a non-believer. Usually the fervent non-believers are labeled skeptics. James Randy likes to call himself a skeptic, but he is more of a non-believer. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being skeptical and I always took the defintion of skeptic to mean someone who is undecided, but that doesn't seem to be the meaning anymore. It's become so bad people rarely show healthy skepticism becuase they are afraid of being associated with the likes of the fervent non-believers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Keroscene, post: 38993, member: 508"] [b]Re: JREF - Million Dollar Challenge[/b] I can't say I've actually ever seen anyone do it in person. I've seen it done in videos and documentaries, though. I'm undecided in my beliefs about it, but I do find it interesting. Personally, I've carried lots of sticks and metal bars in my day and I've never had one unexpectedly pull towards the ground. Of course I didn't really want it to to begin with, so that might be part of the reason. I know a little about dowsing, but not a lot. I know people have been dousing for at least the last thousand years or so and there have been tests over the centuries to verify if it's reliable or not. The material or the dousing rod itself varies. The tests vary in their consistency. I remember one is Russia or Germany that was a big test with alot of participants and they had a very high success rate. I know that no matter where you are, if you drill a well deep enough in soil it will work for collecting water. Where I live it isn't really necessary to dowse though because the water table isn't very deep to begin with. I'm not sure how they do it in other parts of the country, but I've seen a couple wells go in and usually the position of the well is decided by where the house is sitting and it's opposite side of the septic tank and leech field. That kind of narrows it down for possible locations it can go. I know they try to avoid trees because of roots and bedrock when deciding the position. But will drill through both if it's necessary. The wells usually come with a standard pump size so it can't be too far from the house which is pretty important. Usually they drill to a minimum recommended depth for our area. I'm not a plumber though, so this is just going by what I've seen. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone's well around here drying up, but i know it does happen in other parts of the country. My grandfather had a few metal detectors and I remember using them as a kid to search for buried treasure. It would beep and then I would dig like crazy thinking I just found the jackpot. I'd say at least half the time I'd dig down and not find anything at all. I'd think a metal detector would have a higher success rate than about half. Anyways, a metal detector might have a 100% success rate in controlled tests, but from my own experience I know it isn't that consistent in the field. THen again maybe it's not the tool that has the problem. I wasn't intentionally trying discredit your story in my previous post. I didn't challenge the validity of it in any way, and I have no reason not to believe you. I hope I didn't make you feel like it was necessary to defend it. I can look at your story as if it were a verifiable fact, but that doesn't change me in being undecided. I just don't think it's possible for you to take an objective stance on all the facts of dowsing because of your personal belief bias, or confirmation bias. Not that I'm any more or less qualified than you to examine the data, but I am undecided on whether it's a reliable method or not, and at this point there isn't really any reason why I shouldn't be. Unfortunately there's this stigma that follows all boards of this nature where one is either a believer or a non-believer. Usually the fervent non-believers are labeled skeptics. James Randy likes to call himself a skeptic, but he is more of a non-believer. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being skeptical and I always took the defintion of skeptic to mean someone who is undecided, but that doesn't seem to be the meaning anymore. It's become so bad people rarely show healthy skepticism becuase they are afraid of being associated with the likes of the fervent non-believers. [/QUOTE]
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