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<blockquote data-quote="Gnostic Christian" data-source="post: 192679" data-attributes="member: 11757"><p>Your welcome. Here are a few more.</p><p></p><p><strong>Atheists Are Sometimes More Religious Than Christians</strong></p><p>A new study shows how poorly we understand the beliefs of people who identify as atheist, agnostic, or nothing in particular.</p><p></p><p><em><strong>Americans are deeply religious people—and atheists are no exception.</strong></em> Western Europeans are deeply secular people—and Christians are no exception.</p><p></p><p>These twin statements are generalizations, but they capture the essence of a fascinating finding in a <a href="http://www.pewforum.org/2018/05/29/being-christian-in-western-europe/?utm_source=AdaptiveMailer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=18-05-29%20Western%20Europe%20ENG&org=982&lvl=100&ite=2635&lea=593443&ctr=0&par=1&trk=" target="_blank">new study</a> about Christian identity in Western Europe. By surveying almost 25,000 people in 15 countries in the region, and comparing the results with data previously gathered in the U.S., the Pew Research Center discovered three things.</p><p></p><p>First, researchers confirmed the widely known fact that, overall, Americans are much more religious than Western Europeans. They gauged religious commitment using standard questions, including “Do you believe in God with absolute certainty?” and “Do you pray daily?”</p><p></p><p>Second, the researchers found that American “nones”—those who identify as atheist, agnostic, or nothing in particular—are more religious than European nones. The notion that religiously unaffiliated people can be religious at all may seem contradictory, but if you disaffiliate from organized religion it does not necessarily mean you’ve sworn off belief in God, say, or prayer.</p><p></p><p>The third finding reported in the study is by far the most striking. As it turns out, “American ‘nones’ are as religious as—or even more religious than—<em>Christians</em> in several European countries, including France, Germany, and the U.K.”</p><p></p><p>“That was a surprise,” Neha Sahgal, the lead researcher on the study, told me. “That’s the comparison that’s fascinating to me.” She highlighted the fact that whereas only 23 percent of European Christians say they believe in God with absolute certainty, 27 percent of American<em> nones</em> say this.</p><p></p><p><em><strong>America is a country so suffused with faith that religious attributes abound even among the secular. Consider the rise of <a href="https://www.economist.com/erasmus/2018/05/16/the-elusive-phenomenon-of-churches-without-god" target="_blank">“atheist churches,”</a></strong></em> which cater to Americans who have lost faith in supernatural deities but still crave community, enjoy singing with others, and want to think deeply about morality. It’s religion, minus all the God stuff. This is a phenomenon spreading across the country, from the Seattle Atheist Church to the North Texas Church of Freethought. <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/oasis-secular-groups/499148/" target="_blank">The Oasis Network</a>, which brings together non-believers to sing and learn every Sunday morning, has affiliates in nine U.S. cities.</p><p></p><p><em><strong>Last month, almost 1,000 people streamed into a [Atheist] church in San Francisco for an unprecedented event billed as “Beyoncé Mass.</strong></em>” Most were people of color and members of the LGBTQ community. Many were secular. They used Queen Bey’s songs, which are replete with religious symbolism, as the basis for a communal celebration—one that had all the trappings of a religious service. That seemed completely fitting to some, including one reverend who <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXci-sRayAQ" target="_blank">said</a>, “Beyoncé is a better theologian than many of the pastors and priests in our church today.”</p><p><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/05/american-atheists-religious-european-christians/560936/" target="_blank">https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...theists-religious-european-christians/560936/</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Tradition and accuracy. We came out of the Chrestian religion made up of Greeks, Jewish and other esoteric people that came out of what became Christianity.</p><p></p><p>We also maintained the real teachings that the more Eastern mystical Jesus taught as compared to the Roman created Jesus that most know. That one tries to slave people to organized religion, while the teachings I follow tries to free us from them.</p><p></p><p>Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.</p><p></p><p>Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.</p><p></p><p>John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.</p><p></p><p>Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.</p><p></p><p>Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail. Ignore his politics. That is a separate issue.</p><p></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]alRNbesfXXw[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>Regards</p><p>DL</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gnostic Christian, post: 192679, member: 11757"] Your welcome. Here are a few more. [B]Atheists Are Sometimes More Religious Than Christians[/B] A new study shows how poorly we understand the beliefs of people who identify as atheist, agnostic, or nothing in particular. [I][B]Americans are deeply religious people—and atheists are no exception.[/B][/I] Western Europeans are deeply secular people—and Christians are no exception. These twin statements are generalizations, but they capture the essence of a fascinating finding in a [URL='http://www.pewforum.org/2018/05/29/being-christian-in-western-europe/?utm_source=AdaptiveMailer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=18-05-29%20Western%20Europe%20ENG&org=982&lvl=100&ite=2635&lea=593443&ctr=0&par=1&trk=']new study[/URL] about Christian identity in Western Europe. By surveying almost 25,000 people in 15 countries in the region, and comparing the results with data previously gathered in the U.S., the Pew Research Center discovered three things. First, researchers confirmed the widely known fact that, overall, Americans are much more religious than Western Europeans. They gauged religious commitment using standard questions, including “Do you believe in God with absolute certainty?” and “Do you pray daily?” Second, the researchers found that American “nones”—those who identify as atheist, agnostic, or nothing in particular—are more religious than European nones. The notion that religiously unaffiliated people can be religious at all may seem contradictory, but if you disaffiliate from organized religion it does not necessarily mean you’ve sworn off belief in God, say, or prayer. The third finding reported in the study is by far the most striking. As it turns out, “American ‘nones’ are as religious as—or even more religious than—[I]Christians[/I] in several European countries, including France, Germany, and the U.K.” “That was a surprise,” Neha Sahgal, the lead researcher on the study, told me. “That’s the comparison that’s fascinating to me.” She highlighted the fact that whereas only 23 percent of European Christians say they believe in God with absolute certainty, 27 percent of American[I] nones[/I] say this. [I][B]America is a country so suffused with faith that religious attributes abound even among the secular. Consider the rise of [URL='https://www.economist.com/erasmus/2018/05/16/the-elusive-phenomenon-of-churches-without-god']“atheist churches,”[/URL][/B][/I] which cater to Americans who have lost faith in supernatural deities but still crave community, enjoy singing with others, and want to think deeply about morality. It’s religion, minus all the God stuff. This is a phenomenon spreading across the country, from the Seattle Atheist Church to the North Texas Church of Freethought. [URL='https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/oasis-secular-groups/499148/']The Oasis Network[/URL], which brings together non-believers to sing and learn every Sunday morning, has affiliates in nine U.S. cities. [I][B]Last month, almost 1,000 people streamed into a [Atheist] church in San Francisco for an unprecedented event billed as “Beyoncé Mass.[/B][/I]” Most were people of color and members of the LGBTQ community. Many were secular. They used Queen Bey’s songs, which are replete with religious symbolism, as the basis for a communal celebration—one that had all the trappings of a religious service. That seemed completely fitting to some, including one reverend who [URL='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXci-sRayAQ']said[/URL], “Beyoncé is a better theologian than many of the pastors and priests in our church today.” [URL='https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/05/american-atheists-religious-european-christians/560936/']https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...theists-religious-european-christians/560936/[/URL] Tradition and accuracy. We came out of the Chrestian religion made up of Greeks, Jewish and other esoteric people that came out of what became Christianity. We also maintained the real teachings that the more Eastern mystical Jesus taught as compared to the Roman created Jesus that most know. That one tries to slave people to organized religion, while the teachings I follow tries to free us from them. Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught. Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail. Ignore his politics. That is a separate issue. [MEDIA=youtube]alRNbesfXXw[/MEDIA] Regards DL [/QUOTE]
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