minuteman project and Waco type events thread

Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

This is a time when the U.S. government is sending an army of 2,300 federal agents of Homeland Security to the small region being defended by the Minuteman organization, which is not racist, radical, or even politically motivated.
Do you have a source on that? Not a good sign at all, except on the off chance they take the right side.



It's not a good time to talk about having a civil war. Apparently it does very little good to talk at all, and the war is about to start in Arizona.

I'll second that, hunt a hole my friends we're going to need it.
 
Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

belive it or not, i don't know what to say....maybe there will be a nuteral zone where we can get a few hundred acres and get off the grid,drill a well, put upwindmills for ele, grow food, you know a hippie switzerland........
 
Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

belive it or not, i don't know what to say....maybe there will be a nuteral zone where we can get a few hundred acres and get off the grid,drill a well, put upwindmills for ele, grow food, you know a hippie switzerland........

There is a name for places like that. Targets.
 
Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

Well. Perhaps the time for calm heads is at hand. Wading past, & I DO mean wading past the medias usual bull's eye take *cough* *cough* on current events no matter what they print.*cough* *cough*, I note that not unlike weather casters who both bravely and suctsinctly forcast 50% light with intermitent scattered darkness along with a 50-50 chance of precipitation during the aformentioned time period, I cannot not avoid feeling like Charlie Brown going for the kick which Lucy is lovingly holding for me.

We have ALL been manipulated by the news media since time immemorial and in a perfect world, there would be small packets of salt attached to every newspaper and dispensers that come with every TV and Radio Set.

Much has been said about the Homeland troops and their 'mission' here. We have heard much about their vacation spots. All has been pretty much speculation and there's not a damn thing wrong with that. Proof in the puddin is in the eating.

Lets see how TPB answer to our problem answers the call of duty. All eyes are upon this place in Arizona. The problem can not be hidden any longer. Those that look very foolish due to their continued favoritism regarding Big Business and their own personal gains stick out like a June Bug at a chicken convention. You can only lie to 'trusting' folks for just so long.

However, once you have ticked those folks off, you have pretty much burnt your bridge, hat, bicycle and butt in one fell swoop. Let us see shall we?

If they can prove that Benny Hinn is a thief, liar and a crook, even the likes of a braggart from texas is but a small hill of beans.

Pass the cornbread please.
 
Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

How bizarre Bush seems to care about illegal immigration all the sudden.


500 Agents to Be Added to Arizona Border



WASHINGTON -- The Homeland Security Department will assign more than 500 additional patrol agents to the porous Arizona border, saying they will help keep potential terrorists and illegal immigrants from entering the country, The Associated Press has learned.

The border buildup was to be announced Wednesday -- two days before civilian volunteers with the so-called Minutemen Project begin a monthlong Arizona patrol against immigrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico line.

About 155 agents will be immediately sent to Arizona, according to a department official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the buildup was not yet announced. Another 350 agents -- all new trainees -- will be permanently assigned to the Arizona border by Sept. 30.

Until they are in place, an additional 200 agents will be temporarily stationed in Arizona during the high immigration season this spring and summer, the official said.

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/...e/sns-ap-border...
 
Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>
Do you have a source on that? Not a good sign at all, except on the off chance they take the right side.

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Updated: 5:15 p.m. ET March 29, 2005TUCSON, Ariz. - The U.S. government will launch a multi-million dollar security initiative along a 370-mile stretch of the Arizona-Mexico border Wednesday in an effort to shut down the main artery for illegal immigration into the United States and secure an area thought to be vulnerable to terrorist infiltration, MSNBC.com has learned.



The operation, run by the Customs and Border Protection unit of the Department of Homeland Security, will increase the number of agents in the region by 25 percent, to over 2,500. The initiative, the second phase of an operation begun last year, is scheduled to be formally announced Wednesday.



The goal is to ?establish and maintain operational control? of the border, according to planning documents for \"Operation Full Court Press,\" the initiative\'s code name. The operation will ?redeploy Black Hawk helicopters and significant numbers of air and ground resources from around the country, the documents say.



Some 51 percent of the 1.1 million illegal immigrants apprehended by border patrol agents last year crossed into Arizona from Mexico.



The Border Patrol will be strengthened by more than 500 agents in several stages through the year.



Kristi Clemens, a Customs and Border Patrol spokeswoman, said the operation is intended to ?strengthen and improve? the border protection procedures put in place last year, when the government launched the Arizona Border Control Initiative (ABCI), a $23 million operation. That ?operation was viewed as a great success, helping to yield nearly a half-million apprehensions -- about 50 percent more than the previous year.



One segment of the Arizona border, the 260-mile long stretch known as the Tucson sector, has become the leading corridor for illegal entry into the United States, according to Wayne Cornelius, a political science professor and border expert at the University of California at San Diego. In a paper, ?Controlling ?Unwanted? Immigration: Lessons from the United States, 1993-2004,\" Cornelius wrote that the Tucson sector accounted for 490,827 apprehensions, or about 43 percent of all those along the Southwest border of the United States during fiscal year 2004.



?We?ve learned some things,? Clemens said. ??We know where some things have been successes so we?re going to emphasize those areas and even add to that.?



The Arizona-Mexico border is now the main entry point for illegal immigrants, owing in large part to significant enforcement build-ups along the border at San Diego, El Paso and the southern Rio Grande Valley in Texas. ?



?It?s almost like we squeezed a hose [at both ends] and now Arizona is where it?s bulging, because we?ve closed off so many areas,? Clemens said.



Planning documents for \"Operation Full Court Press\" note that U.S.-Mexico border crossings are vulnerable to a variety of \"human and contraband smuggling\" operations into the United States. The documents list ?terrorists and weapons of terrorism? as a main ?criminal element? along with ?human and contraband smuggling organizations that operate exclusively in the Tucson? area that could be encountered over the course of the operation.



Officials from the FBI and Department of Homeland Security recently testified to Congress about the vulnerability of the Mexican border to potential terrorist infiltration, although each said there is no conclusive evidence that such a plot is underway.



?We are concerned, Homeland Security is concerned about special interest aliens entering the United States,? FBI Director Robert Mueller told Congress, using the Bureau?s phrase for people from countries known to harbor al-Qaida operatives.



Despite the success of last year?s effort, the flow of illegal migration seems to have had little effect on the numbers of those attempting illegal migration.



?These guys really want to get in,? said Clemens. ??They have an economic incentive to get in, you see some trying over and over and over again,? she said. ??Why hasn?t it been a deterrent? ?I think it has,? Clemens said, ?you also have to look at our numbers in San Diego and some in Texas, they are way down,? leaving Arizona has the main problem area, she said.



But those who study the issue maintain that such efforts have little or no real deterrent effect. ??The ?ABC Initiative? is tantamount to tossing another boulder in the stream,? said Cornelius. In January he interviewed more than 600 Mexican immigrants who recently returned to their home communities. ?Overwhelmingly Cornelius said he found that tougher border enforcement ?has had no deterrent effect on the likelihood that someone would cross the border illegally.? ?



Knowledge of increased border enforcement and even first hand knowledge of someone that has died attempting entry into the U.S. doesn?t have a deterrent effect, he said. ??Migrants and people-smugglers are avoiding, end-running, the most heavily fortified areas,? he said. ??They know perfectly well where these are. Their probability of being apprehended is still low enough to justify the physical risks.?



A federal law enforcement agent familiar with \"Operation Full Court Press\" voiced concern that critical areas of the country, already deemed to be ?high interest targets? for terrorists, were being left vulnerable because so many resources were being shifted to Operation Full Court Press.



?Anyone determined to enter this country in a clandestine fashion will know shortly

or already knows about this operation,? the federal agent told MSNBC.com on the condition of anonymity. ?They will also know that we have finite resources ? the vulnerability is huge for it will make it easier to cross the border in other places,? the agent said.



In addition, shifting assets to the Arizona border for an extended time significantly decreases the investigative support those resources provide for other anti-terrorism operations, such as the Joint Terrorism Task Forces, the agent said. ??Foolish placement of all of ones assets in one place will allow the enemy to sneak in behind you and hit you where you are vulnerable,? he said.



CPB?s Clemens acknowledges such potential but maintains that because there is now a single agency responsible for border protection the agency has greatly expanded its flexibility and mobility. ?CPB officials will be briefed daily, Clemens said, and if a problem is noted, such as a surge in apprehensions in another border area, resources will be shifted from Arizona to deal with the problem. ?



And no area, Clemens insists, is being left vulnerable. ?



<span style=\'font-family:Times New Roman\'>?A lot of work has gone into figuring out that delicate balance (of shifting resources), taking some air assets, taking some personnel borrowing, if you will? from areas were it?s deemed it will not leave them vulnerable,? Clemens said. ??We have a limited number of resources and have got to do the best job with what we currently have.?




I have to apologize for the error. Rather than, as I said, 2,300 agents being sent there right now, the total number to be reached will be 2,500, the increase to occur over the next year, and supposedly represented by the "over 500."

If anyone is keeping score, that's a thousand Minutemen and at least a thousand field agents; I would estimate the other groups at a few hundred each, but not so dispersed. If they're all against the Minutemen, you have the equivalent of an Alamo or Little Big Horn-- in numbers.
 
Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Crosstika\")</div>
How bizarre Bush seems to care about illegal immigration all the sudden.


500 Agents to Be Added to Arizona Border



WASHINGTON -- The Homeland Security Department will assign more than 500 additional patrol agents to the porous Arizona border, saying they will help keep potential terrorists and illegal immigrants from entering the country, The Associated Press has learned.

The border buildup was to be announced Wednesday -- two days before civilian volunteers with the so-called Minutemen Project begin a monthlong Arizona patrol against immigrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico line.

About 155 agents will be immediately sent to Arizona, according to a department official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the buildup was not yet announced. Another 350 agents -- all new trainees -- will be permanently assigned to the Arizona border by Sept. 30.

Until they are in place, an additional 200 agents will be temporarily stationed in Arizona during the high immigration season this spring and summer, the official said.

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/...sns-ap-border...[/b]

I suppose that that means 355 now, another 355 by September, but the total not to exceed approx. 550 in the end. That means close to 2,000 feds on hand April 1.
 
Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

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\"AZ REPUBLIC SPINS MINUTEMAN PROJECT INTO RACISM - FBI concerned about racists participation in watch\"

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Told you they'd do this, didn't I?
 
Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

yeah, and id be willing to bet they have a determent camp set up close by for the minutemen,and whomever else.
 

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