minuteman project and Waco type events thread

Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

I don't know if this is true but someone on DU is reporting this..

WZZM reports unprovoked attack by police upon students


Michigan;

Was on just now. No link, but I'm sure tomorrow there will be plenty. Apparently, there was NO riot or unlawful activity of any kind, but police in full riot gear nonetheless fired tear gas on the students who were walking down the street, leaving the game.

Reporters were/are on the scene right now. I'm sure there will be more tomorrow, but you might want to tune in.... reporters say police aren't tolerating any public on the streets.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...ddress=159x2632
 
Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

well seems to be some exerciseing of one of the patroit acts....1 or 2, does everyone have there party hat on??? look out peter vella.....
 
Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

seriously, folks looks like the s--ts getting ready to hit the BIG fan, i see riots and demonstrations every where ...not just in arizona.....
 
Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

brings me to mind of what happend a ohio state in the 60's , the national guard gunning down student protesters
 
Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

I guess tear gas is an appropriate means to disrupt a peaceful crowd?



Published April 3, 2005

Police face off with thousands in Cedar Village area

By Benita Mehta and Kevin Grasha
Lansing State Journal
Buy this photo
(CHRIS HOLMES /Lansing State Journal)
Fans swarm the street in East Lansing's Cedar Village area after Michigan State University's Final Four loss to North Carolina on Saturday. Police moved in with tear gas to disperse the crowd.
Advertisement
SUBSCRIBE TODAY!

Photo Gallery:
Post game melee at MSU

EAST LANSING - Police fired tear gas into massive and rowdy crowds outside the Cedar Village apartments and in downtown East Lansing after MSU's disappointing loss to North Carolina on Saturday night.

Thirty-eight people were arrested - most on misdemeanor charges of assault and disorderly conduct. One woman was arrested on a felony charge after she tried to set a car on fire, East Lansing police Lt. Kevin Daley said.

A series of small fires were quickly doused throughout the night including some inside garbage Dumpsters, MSU police Sgt. Florene McGlothian-Taylor said. Police sent paramedics to help treat some injuries. It wasn't immediately clear how many people were hurt.

"This is pretty shameful," MSU student Jon Paklaian said as he stood across the street from Cedar Village apartments after midnight watching tear gas canisters fly.

A mass of people poured out of the apartments shortly after the NCAA semi-final game ended. Before long, thousands had gathered and were chanting "Go green, go white." They banged on cow bells and sang the Michigan State University fight song.

Police, who were patrolling the area in full riot gear in hopes of preventing violent and destructive post-game behavior, were surrounded by the crowd, but retreated.

A police helicopter hovering overhead shone its spotlight on the crowd, and officers using mega phones ordered the crowd to disperse within two minutes. The warning was hard to hear over the cheering, whistling and chanting.

The crowd remained and officers fired tear gas canisters. Chants from the crowd then changed to "You can't do that."

By midnight, police had released more than a dozen canisters into the Cedar Village area.

McGlothian-Taylor said police used tear gas to keep things under control.

"With the number of people gathered, chances were things could get out of hand," she said. "Part of the problem is that people were throwing bottles at police."

Some who were gassed ran back into apartments. Many tried to document what unfolded at the complex using cameras, phones and camcorders. Many who tried to capture the moment were forced off the streets by officers with night sticks.

"It was just people cheering. They weren't causing trouble," said Molly Phillips, an MSU sophomore. "The police are making everyone more angry."

The chaos came even after the campus community went to great lengths to prevent a repeat of 1999, when up to 10,000 people swarmed East Lansing and campus streets, causing nearly $500,000 in damage after MSU's loss to Duke University in the NCAA Final Four.

Bars were encouraged to limit drink specials and serve beverages in plastic - not glass. Dumpsters were emptied of all items that could be burned or used destructively. Fliers, mass e-mails and other messages encouraging fans to act responsibly also flooded MSU's campus, area neighborhoods - even local high schools.

Before the game, students were in high spirits as they crowded balconies in the Cedar Village apartment complex minutes before the MSU men's basketball game tip-off Saturday night, singing the MSU fight song and screaming "Go green, go white" back and forth across buildings.

As soon as the clock hit 8:47 p.m., students piled into apartments, eyes glued to television sets, ready to cheer on the Spartans.

The mood turned from hopeful exuberance to intense frustration as it became clear the Spartans would lose to North Carolina in the national semifinal game.

"They were banging it out inside for the first 25 minutes of the game, and they switched after halftime," said Nick Crocenzi, 23, of Waterford, who was watching the game with friends. "I'm a sad panda."

About a dozen friends crowded onto the couch and floor in MSU junior Jamieson Cihak's second-floor apartment to watch the game.

Cihak invited friends over for every MSU game in the tournament. The group always orders Buffalo Wild Wings before the games.

"It's kind of superstition," Cihak said. "So far it's worked."

The luck of the wings ran out Saturday night.

Emily Studer, an MSU sophomore, said her voice was hoarse from last Sunday's win.

"My voice was completely gone and still hasn't come back," she said. "I've been an MSU basketball fan since I was in the uterus."






http://www.lsj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?A...30353/1001/news

http://www.freep.com/news/statewire/sw1138...97_20050403.htm


http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/4341106/detail.html
 
Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

House condemns Patriot Act

Gazette State Bureau | April 2 2005

HELENA - Montana lawmakers overwhelmingly passed what its sponsor called the nation's most strongly worded criticism of the federal Patriot Act on Friday, uniting politicians of all stripes.

The resolution, which already galloped through the Senate and passed the House 88-12 Friday, must survive a final vote before it officially passes.

Senate Joint Resolution 19, sponsored by Sen. Jim Elliott, D-Trout Creek, says that while the 2005 Legislature supports the federal government's fight against terrorism, the so-called Patriot Act of 2001 granted authorities sweeping powers that violate citizens' rights enshrined in both the U.S. and Montanan constitutions.

The resolution, which does not carry the weight of a law but expresses the Legislature's opinion, encourages Montana law enforcement agencies not to participate in investigations authorized under the Patriot Act that violate Montanans' constitutional rights. It requests all libraries in the state to post a sign warning citizens that under the Patriot Act, federal agents may force librarians to turn over a record of books a person has checked out and never inform that citizen of the request.

The resolution asks Montana's attorney general to review any state intelligence information and destroy it if is not tied directly to suspected criminals. It also asks the attorney general to find out how many Montanans have been arrested under the Patriot Act and how many people have been subject to so-called "sneak and peaks," or government searches of a person's property without the person's knowledge.

Elliott, a Democrat and rancher from northwestern Montana, sponsored the resolution, but it garnered support from Republicans on the far right of the political spectrum.

"Sometimes we just take liberty for granted in the country," said Rep. Roger Koopman, R-Bozeman, who keeps a plant called "the Liberty Tree" on his legislative desk.

Koopman said his Liberty Tree was "blooming for this bill."

"Frankly, what it says to me is that civil liberties are a bipartisan issue in Montana," said Rep. Rick Maejde, R-Trout Creek, who led the House debate for the resolution.

Elliott said he was "very, very pleased" the resolution had such support.

"Montana isn't the first state that passed a resolution, but this resolution is the strongest statement against the constitutional violations of the Patriot Act of any state and almost every city or county," he said.

Twelve representatives - all Republicans - voted against the measure, including Rep. Bob Lake, R-Hamilton.

"I don't like resolutions because they do absolutely nothing," he said in an interview after the vote. He also said the resolution was too vague. Is it a sacrifice of personal liberty to not be able to take a gun on an airplane? he asked. Is that the kind of thing this resolution objects to?

"So, they're going to get this thing back in D.C. and say, 'O.K., Montana doesn't like what we're doing. So what?,' " he said. "It has no meaning to it."
 
Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Zoomerz\")</div>
I've read much by you and appreciate what you say. Keep on keepin' on m8!


I could see that happening, and we'll just have to wait and see how radically things change, and how soon. I definitely agree small groups or fringe elements could heat things up, but at this point, I don't see this as a struggle between the people and their government. I see it as an escalating confrontation between left and right, and in particular, over religious ideals. Of course, that will ultimately involve the government via constitutional interpretation.

MHO we haven't yet seen any direct loss of constitutional rights by a citizen as a result of the Patriot Act. The MMP may indeed present the first real test, and we shall see, eh?

Anyway, points well taken DW, tks.



Amen Brudda! A number of incidents like this, and yeah, it's possible.

Z-[/b]
Click to expand...

Exactly how do you see this as a left/right issue? I think you should reexamine the situation. I'm a progressive and I'm not happy with the way the citzenry is being treated by the government or by the corporations that control it. I am far from happy about illegals being treated with more respect and getting more rights in many cases, than your average American. I am sick and tired of illegals streaming across our borders unchecked and raping this country while giving nothing back and I'm sick and tired of the Israelis treating our country as their b!tch.

There are many progessives (and liberals) like me, I am far from alone or were you trying to convey that it would be a liberal vs neo con situation? That I could see, seeing as how the current government and their support base loves to sell Americans down the river for chump change.

P.S. Why was it the liberal/progressive side of the issue in the Schivao case for State's rights and individual rights? Why were the conservatives for the government and keeping a vegetable on a feeding tube so that the corporations could milk her for more money? Shouldn't she have been allowed long before this to ascend to Heaven or to go onto the next life (reincarantion)? I pity the people who think a feeding tube is better than either of those options, they must really not believe in God or the afterlife supporting something like that.....

Do you know what side you're on? Just wondering.
 
Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

also.... we are disscussing the variable points and posabilitys of the minute man project,as it pretaines to john titors , waco type event that starts a second civil war in the u.s. 2005,its not about picking sides yet .... and most here will agree that when it comes to sides ,we are constiutionalist for the most part.....:dry:
 

Top