minuteman project and Waco type events thread

[artsouth]

Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

hey guys i just opened a new thread in the open disscution board...POLITICAL MUD SLINGING..... PLAY NICE...

this is where we can do this....kinda like online mud westling

 

[Crosstika]

Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>

The Christian aspect of the republican party is just window dressing ment to control a very unified voting block, not their real idology. [/b]

So you admit it's atleast the ideology their selling to the american people? So responsibility for these thugs does rest on americans shoulders. The germans didn't have to go along with burning jews, you know?




<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>

What freedoms are those? Are you refering to the patriot act? Know who came up with it? Bill Clinton. He called it the OMNIMUS anti terrorist act, and failed to pass it. There is virtually no difference between the two bills. Nor much between Clinton and Bush so far as I can tell. [/b]

Then I guess you haven't watched america in the past 4 years. The difference is who sells the bigotry the best. Bush sold his extremism, Clinton couldn't. Wanna know why? He wasn't pushing Christian extremism topped with a phony terrorist attack. That proves americans embrace conservative ideals and fear more so. Politicians will only do what americans let them.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>

They aren't my idologies. [/b]

Then how do you explain defending them?

 

[Crosstika]

Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"artsouth\")</div>

hey guys i just opened a new thread in the open disscution board...POLITICAL MUD SLINGING..... PLAY NICE...

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?this is where we can do this....kinda like online mud westling[/b]

Conservatives don't play nice, all they know is witch hunts and not tolerating opposing views. They wouldn't be them if they had tolerance.

 

[KiraSjon]

Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

*swipes mom's whistle and blows it*

Hold on here guys.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Crosstika\")</div>

Conservatives don't play nice, all they know is witch hunts and not tolerating opposing views. They wouldn't be them if they had tolerance.[/b]

Hurling accusations is not nice either - believe it or not we DO have conservatives on this board. Let's ALL try and play nice - here and in every other thread.

To Everyone: If y'all find yourselves getting too involved in the argument then take a step back, take a deep breath, gather your thoughts and proceed with the knowledge that chances are - we are all on the same team here even if we have different interpretations, preferences, etc. out there.

 

[Darkwolf]

Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

Conservatives don't play nice, all they know is witch hunts and not tolerating opposing views. They wouldn't be them if they had tolerance.

The same thing could be said about liberals, and quite accuratly. In fact in alot of settings in this country it is very difficult to voice a non pc opinion and not get into trouble for it.

So you admit it's atleast the ideology their selling to the american people? So responsibility for these thugs does rest on americans shoulders. The germans didn't have to go along with burning jews, you know?

What precicely have we done that is analagous to that? Yes, the American people elected Bush. We could have elected Gore or later Kerry, but I doubt seriously that the world would look much different than it does now. The vast majority of religious americans are christian, whats the problem with that anyway?

Then I guess you haven't watched america in the past 4 years. The difference is who sells the bigotry the best. Bush sold his extremism, Clinton couldn't. Wanna know why? He wasn't pushing Christian extremism topped with a phony terrorist attack. That proves americans embrace conservative ideals and fear more so. Politicians will only do what americans let them.

Yes, alot of Americans embrace conservative ideals. Unfortunatly, we only have neocon politicians. Neocons are pretty much liberals wearing religious clothing. We don't have many real conservatives left, and we need some.
So, you admit that Clinton and Bush were working on the same agenda? By the way, what Bigotry are you talking about? Bush anyway seems to have a pretty inclusive cabinet, and to fall all over himself to make the hispanics happy.

Then how do you explain defending them?

I'm not. I'm just trying to tell you whats really going on.

 

[Crosstika]

Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

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The same thing could be said about liberals, and quite accuratly. In fact in alot of settings in this country it is very difficult to voice a non pc opinion and not get into trouble for it. [/b]

So, Let me get this straight, in a time with most states being Red , a time when bigotry towards gays is socially acceptable, a time when there's a major prophaganda machine on television pushing republican christian extremism, a time when the country nearly goes into chaos over the state of florida following the LAW in removing some vegetable's feeding tube , a time when JERRY FALWELL and PAT ROBERTSON have a say in politics, a time when "activist" judges get death threats and anyone with an opposing point of view is branded a traitor, you actually can still sit there with a straight face and call christian white males victims? Are you HIGH?



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>

What precicely have we done that is analagous to that? Yes, the American people elected Bush. We could have elected Gore or later Kerry, but I doubt seriously that the world would look much different than it does now. The vast majority of religious americans are christian, whats the problem with that anyway?[/b]

So take responsibility for your chosen ideologies, don't throw up a smokescreen, shifting blame to politicians.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>

Yes, alot of Americans embrace conservative ideals. .[/b]

Yes, which means even if Dubya secretly is from new england and has a democratic voter registration card, the brand of christian extremism he pushes still has a life of it's own.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>

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By the way, what Bigotry are you talking about? Bush anyway seems to have a pretty inclusive cabinet, and to fall all over himself to make the hispanics happy. [/b]

What about the gays, arabs and non christians?



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>

I'm not. ?I'm just trying to tell you whats really going on.[/b]

I wouldn't call reciting republican idealism through a smokescreen of liberal conspiracy as " what's really goin on "

 

[Darkwolf]

Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

Ok, first Crosstica, when you get booted off here, its not real smart to come back the next day with a different name without at least changing your trademark turns of phrase, and general sound. This fourm is for posting, not going postal.

So, Let me get this straight, in a time with most states being Red , a time when bigotry towards gays is socially acceptable, a time when there's a major prophaganda machine on television pushing republican christian extremism, a time when the country nearly goes into chaos over the state of florida following the LAW in removing some vegetable's feeding tube , a time when JERRY FALWELL and PAT ROBERTSON have a say in politics, a time when \"activist\" judges get death threats and anyone with an opposing point of view is branded a traitor, a time when \"activist\" judges get death threats and anyo

Ok, I'll take this one in peices. Yes, white christian males are victems, so is everyone else when free speech is curtailed.

So, Let me get this straight, in a time with most states being Red

That is true, however the most populous states are blue, the population is running about fifty fifty as it normally does. That makes it easier to swing a vote by activating specialized voting populations. ,

a time when bigotry towards gays is socially acceptable

When hasn't it been? The vast majority of the population just about everywhere has a thing against gays. The only thing that supresses it sometimes is government curtailments of free speech. People have a right to be ignorant jerks if they so choose.

a time when there's a major prophaganda machine on television pushing republican christian extremism

There is a great right wing propaganda machine, and there is a great left wing propaganda machine.

a time when JERRY FALWELL and PAT ROBERTSON have a say in politics,

Don't like the guys myself, but they as citizens have the right to a say in politics, the same as any other citizen. Same with Micheal Moore, and the half of Hollywood who can't keep their non high school graduate mouths shut, and claim that their pollitical opinions mean something.

a time when \"activist\" judges get death threats and anyone with an opposing point of view is branded a traitor,

Well, we have some lone wacos in this country who give death threats. Who doesn't. Both right and left have some nutjobs who are willing to kill for their cause. Always has been that way, probably always will.
You seem to think that the presence of Christians in american politics, and their acting according to their own moral lights means this is a christian theocracy. You are wrong. The republican party is powerful, but far from omnipotent in this country, and yes there are plenty of places such as college campuses and liberal controlled cities where you can actually be punished for expressing a conservative view point.
It seems to me that you want the influence of religion and nationalism forcefully surpressed. And you are calling us biggots. Just a tad hypocritical.

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Originally Posted by Darkwolf
What precicely have we done that is analagous to that? Yes, the American people elected Bush. We could have elected Gore or later Kerry, but I doubt seriously that the world would look much different than it does now. The vast majority of religious americans are christian, whats the problem with that anyway?




So take responsibility for your chosen ideologies, don't throw up a smokescreen, shifting blame to politicians.

What are you talking about? They aren't my idologies, and I didn't vote for the people who represent them.

What about the gays, arabs and non christians?

So we need affimative action at the cabinet level now? Are there any gays, or arab americans who deserve that kind of post. They're both pretty small populations.

I wouldn't call reciting republican idealism through a smokescreen of liberal conspiracy as " what's really goin on "1 Hour Ago 02:36 PM

I believe I made it clear, its both a liberal and conservative conspiracy. Both sides lay claim to values that they do everything in their power to work against when they think we aren't looking. You my friend have swallowed the BS hook line and sinker and asked for seconds.

 

[Crosstika]

Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

Talking to one of you people is pointless, you'll never see the truth , no matter how many times someone could point it out and shoot down your argument. You'll always think you're a victim ( even if you were born privledged and have it better than everyone else) .

Not being allowed to force your religion on someone , bigotry or harrass someone for being gay doesn't make YOU a victim, because you don't have that right. But really, this is pointless. So Whatever you say you bastion of victimization.

 

[Darkwolf]

Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

Talking to one of you people is pointless, you'll never see the truth , no matter how many times someone could point it out and shoot down your argument. You'll always think you're a victim ( even if you were born privledged and have it better than everyone else) .

What arguement did you shoot down? You are presenting a stream of rabid retoric without a single fact to back it up. Pretty much everyone else here has outmanuvered your arguments at every turn. Both in this persona and the last one you used. Your brand of bigotry and hate is not a welcome thing here, nor is anything else. You assume that I am a privelaged white christian, and you are wrong on all counts but the white part. Listen to others and show respect, or go away, make up yet another religously biggoted name and make an ass of yourself again in a few days.

Not being allowed to force your religion on someone , bigotry or harrass someone for being gay doesn't make YOU a victim, because you don't have that right. But really, this is pointless. So Whatever you say you bastion of victimization.

I am not a victem, I refuse to be one. You on the other hand seem to think that you are victemized by the very presence of a group that opposes whatever little special protected group you belong to that you think should have special privelages.

 

[Crosstika]

Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

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What arguement did you shoot down? You are presenting a stream of rabid retoric without a single fact to back it up. Pretty much everyone else here has outmanuvered your arguments at every turn. [/b]

George W Bush is my proof this countries being ran by extremist christians, Where's yours? You can tout about conspiracies theories all you like, about democrats and republicans being " in league" with each other and that might very well be true, but the agenda George W Bush ( the leader) is pushing is a right wing christian extremist one , and if you don't buy that ( which I'm sure someone like you won't) just examine the laws he's pushing and has already pushed, ban gay marriage, banning abortion etc. come straight out of biblical morality. Not to mention the fact he mentions jesus constantly. Now if you're still in denial this country is being over ran by right wing christian extremism,There's no hope for you. Have a nice life.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>

? ?I am not a victem, I refuse to be one. You on the other hand seem to think that you are victemized by the very presence of a group that opposes whatever little special protected group you belong to that you think should have special privelages.[/b]

Yeah how dare a "minorty" be protected by law, Now that's just crazy talk! Didn't anyone tell us queers, non christians and EYE- Rabs only the majority of has a right to be treated humanly? Lot o' nerve we have.