minuteman project and Waco type events thread

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Crosstika\")</div>
Talking to one of you people is pointless, you'll never see the truth , no matter how many times someone could point it out and shoot down your argument. You'll always think you're a victim ( even if you were born privledged and have it better than everyone else) .

Not being allowed to force your religion on someone , bigotry or harrass someone for being gay doesn't make YOU a victim, because you don't have that right. But really, this is pointless. So Whatever you say you bastion of victimization.[/b]

Interesting, one of what people Crosstika? And where did being gay come into the issue?
 
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Yeah how dare a \"minorty\" be protected by law, Now that's just crazy talk! Didn't anyone tell us queers, non christians and EYE- Rabs only the majority of has a right to be treated humanly? Lot o' nerve we have.


No, you are asking to be protected more than the majority. You are asking that the government surpress the majority group in this country so your little sensibilities aren't offended. That is opression.

George W Bush is my proof this countries being ran by extremist christians, Where's yours?

My proof is that the democrats and republicans are doing the exact same things on the major issues. That is, their economic, security, and social programs are virtually identical. They differ on a few very emotional and noisy issues such as gay marrige and abortion. These get the bases fired up, and allow them to appear to differ, while working together on turning us into a police state. If you don't like Bush, wait until 08 when we get Hilary. Then we will have a whole other kind of religious repression as right wing christians are considered terrorists. I'm sure you will be happier than a pig in a mudhole then. Meanwhile the plan progresses with people like you none the wiser.
Bush, and the evangelicals are just the mask the monster is wearing right now, It will change.


just examine the laws he's pushing and has already pushed, ban gay marriage, banning abortion etc. come straight out of biblical morality.

Our entire legal system is based on biblical morality which is pretty much the same as the morality of all other religions, so whats the problem? If you want to tear down that system, you better have some ideas on what to replace it with.


Now if you're still in denial this country is being over ran by right wing christian extremism,There's no hope for you. Have a nice life.


Christianity is just a tool that they are using right now. If you don't get that then you are part of the problem, not the cure.
 
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Kira is unable to get onto TTF, and has asked me to post this.

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Step back and turn your posts back to the issue instead of hurling insults.
 
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Posted by Darkwolf:

Lemme splain something to you Crosstica. The mexicans are being allowed to invade so that the wages and standard of living for the average American worker can be lowered. This is being done so that the entire North American Bloc can be turned into a welfare dependant third world outhouse pit with an easially controlled, desperate population. Do you want this country to look like Mexico? Both the right and left wings of the power elite are energetically working on this agenda while we sit here and smear each other for our damn pollitical labels.

Thanks, Darkwolf. Apparently Crosstika don't get it. But that's his problem.

Posted by Crosstika:
Quit drinking the kool aid.
The right wing control this country ?therefore they ARE to blame for how it's run. ? Nice try obediant.
Whoop dee doo, Why don't you calculate how much migrant workers bring to add to the economy. Ask your leader his opinions on what migrant workers bring and why he hasn't shut them down.
Are you actually denying the fact the right wingers control this country? ?Good God the kool aid's neck deep in here.
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Uh, bud. The only one drinking the Kool Aid is you pal. You're buying into "it's the right wingers and the Evangelicals" who are ruining things. The right wing is the same as the left wing. The Evangelicals are being used to futher a common agenda. You just don't get it. Calling people names ain't gonna get you any friends here dumbass.

The illegals are actually hurting the economy. They are taking jobs away from American citizens and driving the standard of living down here. You'll see that unfold as the years go by. Bush is letting illegals cross the border because the PTB want globalization. To our detriment. You again, don't get it.

Yes, the neocon Republicans are in charge for the moment. You'll see the neoliberals in control in 2008 when the economy is in the toilet. Same sh1t, different day. It's all psuedo reality produced for consumption by the masses. But then again, you're drinking the Kool Aid and can't see the forest for the trees. Dumbass.

As Darkwolf said, "The people who control this country are a mixture of the less flattering, more statist parts of right and left. They switch the label on who'se in power occasionally to fool the people. Apperently it works on some of us." The ones it's working on is YOU big boy.

Posted by Harte:

Crying racism everytime something isn't being done to your satisfaction? Was Bill Clinton responsible for the crack in the Liberty Bell merely because he and a liberal majority ran the country for a time? You are scapegoating the right wing for the worst of reasons, simply because you happen to disagree with them. You have not uttered one fact about how the right wing is scapegoating a race of people for their own problems, an assertion you blithely made in your earlier post but have since seen fit to conveniently ignore. I wish you would clarify exactly what you are talking about, at least, I wish it were possible for you to do that. ?

Harte, you're an intelligent guy. Your intelligence is being wasted on this nimrod.

Spoken like somone who's never seen it. The Christian aspect of the republican party is just window dressing ment to control a very unified voting block, not their real idology.

What freedoms are those? Are you refering to the patriot act? Know who came up with it? Bill Clinton. He called it the OMNIMUS anti terrorist act, and failed to pass it. There is virtually no difference between the two bills. Nor much between Clinton and Bush so far as I can tell.

They aren't my idologies. ?I don't need excuses, \"Moore\". ?
Hey Cary, doesn't this guy sound kind of familiar? Kind of like a certian religious presidential figure we had here awhile ago?
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Good points all Darkwolf, and yeah the boy is the formerly banned Jesus Bush. He ain't gonn last long. He attacks everyone. He doesn't know what side is up or where he stands. It's just "against" everything and everyone. He doesn't get that we're all on the same side because he's too full of anger and resentment about what's going on. Blind as a bat.

Posted by Crosstika:

Then I guess you haven't watched america in the past ?4 years. The difference is who sells the bigotry the best. Bush sold his extremism, Clinton couldn't. Wanna know why? He wasn't pushing Christian extremism topped with a phony terrorist attack. That proves americans embrace conservative ideals and fear more so. Politicians will only do what americans let them.

Then how do you explain defending them?

No, goober. Clinton's plan didn't sell, because the social mood wasn't ready for it. Bush saw to it with 9/11 that it did. The Christian agenda was just what was handy at the time. Americans embrace "what's happening now." You haven't had a clear view of what works here. We've swung from the middle, to the extreme left, to the extreme right in my life time. Politicians do everything they want, without approval from "americans". And that's dicatated by what other politicians allow them. You really think "americans" control what politicians do? LOL You drinking that Kool Aid heavy, boy. Nobody's defending the Republican idealogues, dumbass. You ain't paying attention. You're attacking people here who basically see the corruption you see. They just aren't rabid about it like you are. They're looking for something constructive out of all this crap. You just want to flush everything and everyone. Not gonna win any friends or influence people from that stance.


Posted by Crosstika:

George W Bush is my proof this countries being ran by extremist christians, Where's yours? You can tout about conspiracies theories all you like, about democrats and republicans being \" in league\" with each other and that might very well be true, but the agenda George W Bush ( the leader) is pushing is a right wing christian extremist one , and if you don't buy that ( which I'm sure someone like you won't) just examine the laws he's pushing and has already pushed, ban gay marriage, banning abortion etc. come straight out of biblical morality. Not to mention the fact he mentions jesus constantly. Now if you're still in denial this country is being over ran by right wing christian extremism,There's no hope for you. Have a nice life.

You are plumb dumb, boy. You think Bush really gives a rat's ass about "Christian" anything? LOL He's only using what works with the masses. Those in power get together on a regular basis and have a good laugh at the sheep grazing in the lush green pastures of consumerism. If the church of Satan were the going thing, Bush would be all into it. It's all about leading the masses around by thier collective nose. Hell, he'd ban Christmas if that was the running thing. He could care less. You've been led into fighting the psuedo reality, boy. He'd mention "Cary" constantly if it got him what he wanted. "Jesus" is what works with the sheeple, so he uses it. The "christian extremes" you hammer on is what's working. You can't see that. This is deeper than your current comprehension. The country is being run by Zionists, which has nothing to do with Christianity or Judaism. Do some research on the neocons and Zionism. You might wake up, buckshot. Otherwise, there's no hope for you. You won't have a nice life. But that's par for the course, right? LOL

I could have said a lot more, but there's just too much. Crosstika/Jesus Bush, you got your head in a very dark place. You got some allies if you'd only stop being so hostile and attacking people. You're about to get another "time out" if you don't cool your jets. Keep it up, and keep inviting me back here. I got time for you.

My acknowledgements to Darkwolf and Harte for trying to educate the boy, but he's too hostile to see jack sh1t. As the old man used to say, "A hard head makes for a soft ass, and yours must be getting mushy." Keep your head buried Crosstika/Jesus Bush. Your ass is being kicked hard, whether you want to "feel" it or not. LOL What a country.

Cary
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Crosstika\")</div>
Talking to one of you people is pointless, you'll never see the truth , no matter how many times someone could point it out and shoot down your argument. You'll always think you're a victim ( even if you were born privledged and have it better than everyone else) .
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Point and shoot? Victim? I don't like your rhetoric, or choice of style of ranting. Quit your hamhanded slapping-on of labels and scatterfire presentation, or quit messing up this thread. This is not a shootout. Save it for the next war, which we are bound to have when we have such strident, ardent, unwavering hostility.


Not being allowed to force your religion on someone , bigotry or harrass someone for being gay doesn't make YOU a victim, because you don't have that right. But really, this is pointless. So Whatever you say you bastion of victimization.

Do you talk like this when you're sober?
 
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Great post Cary, You too Paul Sorry I got a little hot under the collar there. If false division is as great as he shows, we have our work cut our for us guys.
 
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No, you are asking to be protected more than the majority. You are asking that the government surpress the majority group in this country so your little sensibilities aren't offended. That is opression.


So, according to that logic the white's were being oppressed for having to afford black's the same rights? ..and the nazis were oppressed for not being able to cook jews,..?




My proof is that the democrats and republicans are doing the exact same things on the major issues. That is, their economic, security, and social programs are virtually identical.


So how do explain their ideas about abortion or gay rights? Also if they're all secretly in cahoots ( which I'm no dismissing btw) Why did the exact same people who put W in the white house sniff clinton's crotch to get him impeached? If all pres's are the same what's it matter? Also why were Clinton's laws towards abortion, gays and gun control totally different?



They differ on a few very emotional and noisy issues such as gay marrige and abortion. These get the bases fired up, and allow them to appear to differ, while working together on turning us into a police state.
What's your proof?


If you don't like Bush, wait until 08 when we get Hilary. Then we will have a whole other kind of religious repression as right wing christians are considered terrorists. I'm sure you will be happier than a pig in a mudhole then. Meanwhile the plan progresses with people like you none the wiser.
This is like something pulled out of hannities or rush limbaughs mouth...

Bush, and the evangelicals are just the mask the monster is wearing right now, It will change.
So if clinton masked the monster 10 years ago how come the monster acted differently?



[Darkwolf=QUOTE]Christianity is just a tool that they are using right now. If you don't get that then you are part of the problem, not the cure.

Wow that was great sounded even better in my posts...Just out of curiosity, where do your values that make you support things like the minutemen come from?
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"CaryP\")</div>
Crosstika/Jesus Bush, you got your head in a very dark place. You got some allies if you'd only stop being so hostile and attacking people. You're about to get another \"time out\" if you don't cool your jets. Keep it up, and keep inviting me back here. I got time for you. [/b]

While Cary and I are not mods on this thread.... MOM translation "Cross, you are sadly mistaken about this forum. If you were more kind and considerate with your views, you would be listened to. There is a better way to get your point across, please find that better way or you will be banned as a member. Cary is watching, Mom is watching. The staff is watching. Do you really want to go down like this? Do you want your membership banned so that you can not longer post your views? Give some thought to that.

My acknowledgements to Darkwolf and Harte for trying to educate the boy, but he's too hostile to see jack sh1t. As the old man used to say, \"A hard head makes for a soft ass, and yours must be getting mushy.\" Keep your head buried Crosstika/Jesus Bush. Your ass is being kicked hard, whether you want to \"feel\" it or not. LOL What a country.

Darkwolf, Harte, Paul and StarLord, thank you for trying. Another gold star applied to your lapels by Mom.

Let's try to keep the thread down to a dull roar until the moderator can view. These things happen sometimes.

Posted by Darkwolf:
Great post Cary, You too Paul Sorry I got a little hot under the collar there. If false division is as great as he shows, we have our work cut our for us guys.

No problem Darkwolf. I understood where you were coming from. I won't speak for the rest of the staff or the moderator of this part of the forum.
 
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So, according to that logic the white's were being oppressed for having to afford black's the same rights? ..and the nazis were oppressed for not being able to cook jews,..?



That was some pretty creative interpretation of my words there. And to answer your question not at all. You are asking that minorities have their rights protected to a greater extent than the majoraty. To illistrate, if I were to lay into any religious, racial, or sexual minority the way you lay into christians, you would be screaming hate crime so loud that Saddam Hussain would be complaining about the noise from his cell. That means that you want to set it up so that you can speak out against one group, while they cannot speak out against you. That is not eqilaty it is tyrranny of the minorities.


So how do explain their ideas about abortion or gay rights? Also if they're all secretly in cahoots ( which I'm no dismissing btw) Why did the exact same people who put W in the white house sniff clinton's crotch to get him impeached? If all pres's are the same what's it matter? Also why were Clinton's laws towards abortion, gays and gun control totally different?


Abortion and gay rights are two hot button issues that stir up emotions but have little effect on how the country runs, or the life of the average american. They have a pretty good idea of how many people in what areas are going to react how when these issues get hot. They can fight over these issues in public, and it doesn't much matter who wins. They use them to control elections, and to keep the illusion of a two party system.
Interasting you brought up gun control. While Bush talks a Pro second ammendment game, he is very quietly working on the opposite agenda. The right kind of has a tiger by the tail with the gun lobby. The plan is reaching the stage where they MUST disarm the citizens, but if the right looses that lobby, the balance is disrupted. I expect the next swing to the left to be curtins for the second ammendment.


Just out of curiosity, where do your values that make you support things like the minutemen come from?

I support the minutemen beacause if any group of people on a chunk of land want to call themselves a nation, they must control who can and cannot enter their land. These invaders have no right to be here, and they are causing the standard of life of the average working class American to deteriorate. The federal government's job is to take care of it's citizens, and by allowing this they are failing. The citizens have every right and duty to step up and do it until the feds start. Good enough?
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"CaryP\")</div>
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Uh, bud. The only one drinking the Kool Aid is you pal. You're buying into \"it's the right wingers and the Evangelicals\" who are ruining things. The right wing is the same as the left wing. The Evangelicals are being used to futher a common agenda. You just don't get it. Calling people names ain't gonna get you any friends here dumbass.[/b]

Oh I get it, this is more of the illuminati stuff, I'm not denying it ( tucks in tin foil hat) but like I've illustrated so earlier there are differences in ideologies whether you wanna admit you you might have bigoted beliefs or not. Nice try. If all pres's had identical agenda's you'd have the same group acting like bullies everytime. Your logic's flawed

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"CaryP\")</div>
The illegals are actually hurting the economy. They are taking jobs away from American citizens and driving the standard of living down here. You'll see that unfold as the years go by. Bush is letting illegals cross the border because the PTB want globalization. To our detriment. You again, don't get it.[/b]

Why don't you run up there and guard the canadian border then ahab? By Gosh that'd be actually consistent! And you call yourself a "hippie"?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"CaryP\")</div>
Yes, the neocon Republicans are in charge for the moment. You'll see the neoliberals in control in 2008 when the economy is in the toilet. Same sh1t, different day. It's all psuedo reality produced for consumption by the masses. But then again, you're drinking the Kool Aid and can't see the forest for the trees. Dumbass.[/b]


So if different laws are passed afterwards what'll be your excuse then? I mean I didn't see the same **** 10 years ago man.. what are you basing this on?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>
As Darkwolf said, \"The people who control this country are a mixture of the less flattering, more statist parts of right and left. They switch the label on who'se in power occasionally to fool the people. Apperently it works on some of us.\" The ones it's working on is YOU big boy.[/b]

And you can refer to how I showed Darkwolf the error in it's ways too since you're all sharing the same brain.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"CaryP\")</div>
Harte, you're an intelligent guy. ?Your intelligence is being wasted on this nimrod.[/b]


I guess intelligent people are insecure enough for name calling? I'll stick to being dumb thanks.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"CaryP\")</div>
Good points all Darkwolf, and yeah the boy is the formerly banned Jesus Bush. He ain't gonn last long. He attacks everyone. He doesn't know what side is up or where he stands. It's just \"against\" everything and everyone. He doesn't get that we're all on the same side because he's too full of anger and resentment about what's going on. Blind as a bat.[/b]



So you're content with things? bahh



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"CaryP\")</div>
No, goober. Clinton's plan didn't sell, because the social mood wasn't ready for it. Bush saw to it with 9/11 that it did. The Christian agenda was just what was handy at the time. Americans embrace \"what's happening now.\" You haven't had a clear view of what works here. We've swung from the middle, to the extreme left, to the extreme right in my life time. Politicians do everything they want, without approval from \"americans\". And that's dicatated by what other politicians allow them. You really think \"americans\" control what politicians do? LOL You drinking that Kool Aid heavy, boy. Nobody's defending the Republican idealogues, dumbass. You ain't paying attention. You're attacking people here who basically see the corruption you see. They just aren't rabid about it like you are. They're looking for something constructive out of all this crap. You just want to flush everything and everyone. Not gonna win any friends or influence people from that stance.[/b]

Why couldn't Clinton just created his own 9/11? Or even Reagan? Lot of holes in this tin foil hat " one government" story you people have concocted...It might be true, but atleast figure it out before you start beating your chest over it.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"CaryP\")</div>
You are plumb dumb, boy. You think Bush really gives a rat's ass about \"Christian\" anything? LOL He's only using what works with the masses. Those in power get together on a regular basis and have a good laugh at the sheep grazing in the lush green pastures of consumerism. If the church of Satan were the going thing, Bush would be all into it. It's all about leading the masses around by thier collective nose. Hell, he'd ban Christmas if that was the running thing. He could care less. You've been led into fighting the psuedo reality, boy. He'd mention \"Cary\" constantly if it got him what he wanted. \"Jesus\" is what works with the sheeple, so he uses it. The \"christian extremes\" you hammer on is what's working. You can't see that. This is deeper than your current comprehension. The country is being run by Zionists, which has nothing to do with Christianity or Judaism. Do some research on the neocons and Zionism. You might wake up, buckshot. Otherwise, there's no hope for you. You won't have a nice life. But that's par for the course, right? LOL[/b]



Oh God it's the Zionist Jew conspiracy rearing it's ugly head! The hoaxacaust never happened!



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"CaryP\")</div>
I could have said a lot more, but there's just too much. Crosstika/Jesus Bush, you got your head in a very dark place. You got some allies if you'd only stop being so hostile and attacking people. You're about to get another \"time out\" if you don't cool your jets. Keep it up, and keep inviting me back here. I got time for you. [/b]



I don't know if you're un-socialized or what, so i'll help you. Name calling gets you no where with me. But please come back with more of your white supremacist conspiracy theories for me to laugh over. conformist
 

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