minuteman project and Waco type events thread

[Crosstika]

Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>

That was some pretty creative interpretation of my words there. And to answer your question not at all. You are asking that minorities have their rights protected to a greater extent than the majoraty. [/b]

So how does the granting the rights for gays to marry violate anyone else's rights? How does allowing someone to abort their unborn fetus infringe on your rights?



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>

Abortion and gay rights are two hot button issues that stir up emotions but have little effect on how the country runs, or the life of the average american. They have a pretty good idea of how many people in what areas are going to react how when these issues get hot. They can fight over these issues in public, and it doesn't much matter who wins. They use them to control elections, and to keep the illusion of a two party system.
Interasting you brought up gun control. While Bush talks a Pro second ammendment game, he is very quietly working on the opposite agenda. The right kind of has a tiger by the tail with the gun lobby. The plan is reaching the stage where they MUST disarm the citizens, but if the right looses that lobby, the balance is disrupted. I expect the next swing to the left to be curtins for the second ammendment. [/b]

So if this is true why'd it take them so long to work up to this point? I mean we've only had how many presidents in modern times?

Also I just saw where they passed a law allowing people in Florida to apparently shoot each other in public if they feel threatened, how does this work into this master scheme?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>

]I support the minutemen beacause if any group of people on a chunk of land want to call themselves a nation, they must control who can and cannot enter their land. These invaders have no right to be here, and they are causing the standard of life of the average working class American to deteriorate. The federal government's job is to take care of it's citizens, and by allowing this they are failing. The citizens have every right and duty to step up and do it until the feds start. Good enough?[/b]

So you admit you gather these values from christian values then? Hence you are part of the problem you described?

 

[Darkwolf]

Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

And you can refer to how I showed Darkwolf the error in it's ways too since you're all sharing the same brain.

You showed me the correctness of my logic by your abject failure to put a crack in it.

Why don't you run up there and guard the canadian border then ahab? By Gosh that'd be actually consistent! And you call yourself a \"hippie\"?

We aren't being invaded by canada geinus.

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mean I didn't see the same **** 10 years ago man.. what are you basing this on?

It hadn't progressed this far ten years ago. Ten years from now, you will either see stuff that makes this look like mom telling you to set in a corner, or you 'll be cowering in a city afraid of those horrible "right wing domestic terrorists" who own the countryside.

Why couldn't Clinton just created his own 9/11? Or even Reagan? Lot of holes in this tin foil hat \" one government\" story you people have concocted...It might be true, but atleast figure it out before you start beating your chest over it.

Clinton did engeneer 911, by creating the circumstances under which something like that had to happen.

 

[Darkwolf]

Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

So how does the granting the rights for gays to marry violate anyone else's rights?

It doesn't, thats just more window dressing for the masses. Its a meaningless conflict ment to work people up and stop them from thinking about whats really going on. No one in the higher levels of power really cares how it turns out so long as theres a good show. Kind of like professional wresteling.

How does allowing someone to abort their unborn fetus infringe on your rights?

Some people consider fetuses people who have rights of their own, sure sounds like a violation to me if that is true.

So if this is true why'd it take them so long to work up to this point? I mean we've only had how many presidents in modern times?

Its a slow process, and not unapposed. They have to make sure that the statists dominate the entire federal government, make sure that the people can't or won't successfully revolt when they make their move, make sure none of the states will revolt, manipulate and wait for certian demographic patterns. All of this takes alot of time. The agenda has been advancing for quite some time, and might take quite awhile longer.

Also I just saw where they passed a law allowing people in Florida to apparently shoot each other in public if they feel threatened, how does this work into this master scheme?

There are still some anti statist politicians at the state level who believe in silly little things like the right to defend oneself from violent criminals.

So you admit you gather these values from christian values then? Hence you are part of the problem you described?

How exactly did you extract that from a quote where I did not mention christianity, religion, or any related concept? Your rebuttal had nothing to do with what I said whatsoever.

 

[Crosstika]

Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>

It doesn't, thats just more window dressing for the masses. Its a meaningless conflict ment to work people up and stop them from thinking about whats really going on. No one in the higher levels of power really cares how it turns out so long as theres a good show. Kind of like professional wresteling. [/b]

I'm sure it means something to those gays, non christians and EYE rabs , who you obviously could give two ****s about. Bigotry is bigotry claiming there's one master political party running things doesn't change that . you're a bigot or you aren't they didn't invent it. Sorry



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>

Some people consider fetuses people who have rights of their own, sure sounds like a violation to me if that is true. [/b]

How's that a violation of YOUR rights? it's ok to admit you don't know..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>

Its a slow process, and not unapposed. They have to make sure that the statists dominate the entire federal government, make sure that the people can't or won't successfully revolt when they make their move, make sure none of the states will revolt, manipulate and wait for certian demographic patterns. All of this takes alot of time. The agenda has been advancing for quite some time, and might take quite awhile longer. [/b]

Your pretzel logic is a little too convienent for me to buy into your garbage, I'm gonna have to see some actual proof first. From here it just looks like you're looking for way to deny you have republican beliefs without calling yourself one. nice try




<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>

There are still some anti statist politicians at the state level who believe in silly little things like the right to defend oneself from violent criminals.[/b]

Do you even know where you get your values from?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>

How exactly did you extract that from a quote where I did not mention christianity, religion, or any related concept? Your rebuttal had nothing to do with what I said whatsoever.[/b]

Obviously you didn't because you've probably never questioned your own logic as to where your beliefs come from.

 

[PyRo99]

Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

Do you even realize that you yourself are a bigot?

You completely hate the Republican party. I know a lot of people that are Republican, and they aren't bad people, nor are they BIGOTS.

Come on, I dare you to bite.

 

[Crosstika]

Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>

We aren't being invaded by canada geinus. ?[/b]

If we were?



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"DArkwolf\")</div>

It hadn't progressed this far ten years ago. Ten years from now, you will either see stuff that makes this look like mom telling you to set in a corner, or you 'll be cowering in a city afraid of those horrible \"right wing domestic terrorists\" who own the countryside. [/b]

That's some pretty flimsy logic you got there, anything with actual proof?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>

Clinton did engeneer 911, by creating the circumstances under which something like that had to happen.[/b]

You mean by getting impeached?

 

[Crosstika]

Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"PyRo99\")</div>

Do you even realize that you yourself are a bigot?

You completely hate the Republican party. I know a lot of people that are Republican, and they aren't bad people, nor are they BIGOTS.

Come on, I dare you to bite.[/b]

OoO a dare..

Technically you might be right, I don't like any nazis or klan members either, so technically yeah. But really, tolerating intolerance is allowing it to exist which makes you guilty as charged also. Which makes you part of the problem as much as they are, and as much as the spineless democrats who won't stand up to them .

I think tolerance is an ideal, not an absolute, anyone who says different is some bigot trying to demonize you for your ideals. No one's gonna tolerate a criminal breaking into their house, that's lunacy. No one should tolerate bigoted harrassment either.

 

[Darkwolf]

Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

I'm sure it means something to those gays, non christians and EYE rabs , who you obviously could give two ****s about. Bigotry is bigotry claiming there's one master political party running things doesn't change that . you're a bigot or you aren't they didn't invent it. Sorry

It is Bigotry, you clearly haven't been listening to me, or aren't capable of understanding. The republicans are practicing bigotry against certian groups, while the libs practice it against other groups (namely whites and christians) This serves to keep people angry at each other, and not at who they should be angry at. Divide and conquer. Nice try yourself.

How's that a violation of YOUR rights? it's ok to admit you don't know..

My rights personally, it doesn't since I made it through that stage without being killed by my own mother. However we need to worry about everyone's rights.

Your pretzel logic is a little too convienent for me to buy into your garbage, I'm gonna have to see some actual proof first. From here it just looks like you're looking for way to deny you have republican beliefs without calling yourself one. nice try

If that logic looks twisted, I'd suggest you buy yourself some new glasses, it is perfectly streight, and pretty much irrifutable. And I don't have republican beliefs, I'm a Libertarian.

Do you even know where you get your values from?

Yes, I do, I have studied it extensively. However I don't think one needs to explain the right to self defense, it is self evident.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkwolf
How exactly did you extract that from a quote where I did not mention christianity, religion, or any related concept? Your rebuttal had nothing to do with what I said whatsoever.

Obviously you didn't because you've probably never questioned your own logic as to where your beliefs come from.

Once again you repond in a way that has nothing whatsoever with what I said.

 

[Crosstika]

Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

ok this is it then i'm capoot


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>

It is Bigotry, you clearly haven't been listening to me, or aren't capable of understanding. The republicans are practicing bigotry against certian groups, while the libs practice it against other groups (namely whites and christians) This serves to keep people angry at each other, and not at who they should be angry at. Divide and conquer. Nice try yourself. [/b]

Sorry again chief but the "libs" so called bigotry against white christians is in retaliation to years of persecution, which means you AREN'T the victim, no matter how much you delude yourself.

In case you don't understand how things work on this planet, everything reactes to something else, christian whites have been oppressing people since forever and still are, those people reacte. It's pretty simple .. You can't be the victim. .. It doesn't work that way. Unless you have a warped sense of arrogance.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>

My rights personally, it doesn't since I made it through that stage without being killed by my own mother. However we need to worry about everyone's rights. [/b]

Republicans being compassionate to unborn fetus's or anyone for that matter while waging wars and killing babies, is the biggest inconsistency in the world.

For someone who pretends to not be a republican, you got a lot of republican beliefs.

I'm sure that's just a coincidence ...


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>

If that logic looks twisted, I'd suggest you buy yourself some new glasses, it is perfectly streight, and pretty much irrifutable. And I don't have republican beliefs, I'm a Libertarian. [/b]

So's Sean Hannity


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>

Yes, I do, I have studied it extensively. However I don't think one needs to explain the right to self defense, it is self evident.

.[/b]

Oh yeah? I could make the argument that some cultures embrace things that would oppose that value, like sacrifice or suicide bombings, but I'm done here. So don't expect a rebuttle. Have fun toting your guns around.

 

[artsouth]

Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

ok guys... everyone has points to ponder,i,me myself,the three of us,want to say something..... i being the residenet ( out) ... gay guy on this forum..."i kinda doubt it" (which i might add)...the only reason i was honest about it was so that i wasen't hidding any thing... i have no shame or remorse for who i am.. im proud of who i am you can call me a fag,a homo a queer , a shirt lifter.... what the f**k ever, it does not affect me either way, im Way past that. as i understand whats going on... i don't like it . but there is little i can do... im a survivor,i can......cook ,clean,work on cars,hell ive rebuilt a hydrolic clutch... i build stuff out of wood, i take not knowing how as a challenge to what ever ,i was a marine,a over the road truck driver,i fully aware a sign artist, a cook,....the list goes on....and on,....im not a limp wristed fag eiter you would never know unless i told you. the point is... where not going to change popular opinion, so ... why waste your time.. this happened with the; jews,the blacks;the irish,the indians... need i go on? it just how it is,lol....crosstika i know how you feel ... but when your 43 you get a different prospective on life ...cause i mean... who has time for this s##t, you know my partener of 10 years is 27 also .. he thinks about all this stuff and is still in disbelife when anything contridics ,what he was taught in high school, but once it hits him he ...comes around and gets on the band wagon...wagon per sea...we don't like it but ... we know how it is,we are libertairian in politics... i know your pain , hell i won't even call it ... an election ? i don't know what it was but it sure as hell wasen't an election....but you know.. darkwolf ,cary and starlord are correct in about the MASK... its just a ploy to get the christen political base worked up .... we are a pawn ,,,, like i so stated in my preveios post. there day will come my freind... their will come...