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<blockquote data-quote="Carl Miller" data-source="post: 156619" data-attributes="member: 4986"><p>We wish to know if consciousness is a byproduct of the brain activity. If so, there is no afterlife. NDE -Near Death Experience, when someone has a close brush to death and returns to tell us (of course) they come up with weird stories of having passed through a tunnel of light, having met with angelic creatures, having had a retrospect of his or her life and so on and so forth.</p><p></p><p>To depict the spiritualist side i am posting a video whose protagonist is Dr. Eben Alexander who once had been a materialist doctor and was convinced by a Near Death Experience that consciousness is completely independent from the brain.</p><p>By the way Dr. Eben wrote a book 'proving the existence of heaven'. Paraphrasing William Shakespeare there is much more to be said about the afterlife other than the mere dual concept of heaven and hell. Anyway, let it be as it is and go straight to the vídeo.</p><p></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]4MwnxDK3IxY[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>Bagni di Lucca</p><p>= I would love for you to share up for the people who haven't had the opportunity to read your book, a synthesis of your experience and background.</p><p></p><p>Dr. Eben Alexander</p><p>=Well basically I spent the first 45 years of my life honing a very materialistic Science worldview conventional view working as a neurosurgery I was at Harvard Medical School for 15 years and I thought I had some idea of how the brain mind consciousness were interrelated based on my education and experience over all those years , then in November 2008 I was very deeply thrust into coma over just a few hours with a severe gram negative bacteria meningitis that is the worst kind of meningitis you can have.</p><p>And i didn't come to realize it until much later after i came back but kind of meningitis is a perfect model for human death because of all diseases it preferentially destroys the human part of the brain the outer surface which is known as the neo-cortex and our conventional neuro scientif models of consciousness all postulate the advanced calculating abilities of the new córtex are essential for any kind of detailed conscious awareness.</p><p>Everything we see, hear, think, feel, all our thoughts and emotions every bit of that is constructed with neo cortex. And by destroying it you basically destroy everything that should be part of consciousness, this ability to perceive things, and yet deep into my coma what actually happened was as my neo cortex was devastated my conscious awareness expanded tremendously and of course that is the story I tell in my book where I provide proof that Heaven exists. .......</p><p></p><p></p><p>---------------------------</p><p></p><p>Ok. That is enough. We are talking about a neurosurgeon who changed his afterlife paradigms as he went through a Near Death Experience , NDE, himself. This NDE put in check his materialistic view and he started to advocate that consciousness is not a product of the brain. Since consciousness is not a byproduct of the brain activity there is in every human being a spiritual particle called spirit. Evidently. How did he come up with this conclusion?</p><p>He had the most severe in all brain diseases, a Meningitis which destroys the neo cortex, the part of the brain, supposed by the materialist scientists, to be responsible for consciousness. Most contradictorily instead of shrinking his consciouness expanded tremendously using his own words, this experience kicked him into writing a book defending the existence of heaven.</p><p></p><p></p><p>P.S= I didn't notice the experience by Dr. Eben Alexander had already been posted. Well, so include the current post into the previous one. Strange, it seems things are on a synchronic mode.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Carl Miller, post: 156619, member: 4986"] We wish to know if consciousness is a byproduct of the brain activity. If so, there is no afterlife. NDE -Near Death Experience, when someone has a close brush to death and returns to tell us (of course) they come up with weird stories of having passed through a tunnel of light, having met with angelic creatures, having had a retrospect of his or her life and so on and so forth. To depict the spiritualist side i am posting a video whose protagonist is Dr. Eben Alexander who once had been a materialist doctor and was convinced by a Near Death Experience that consciousness is completely independent from the brain. By the way Dr. Eben wrote a book 'proving the existence of heaven'. Paraphrasing William Shakespeare there is much more to be said about the afterlife other than the mere dual concept of heaven and hell. Anyway, let it be as it is and go straight to the vídeo. [MEDIA=youtube]4MwnxDK3IxY[/MEDIA] Bagni di Lucca = I would love for you to share up for the people who haven't had the opportunity to read your book, a synthesis of your experience and background. Dr. Eben Alexander =Well basically I spent the first 45 years of my life honing a very materialistic Science worldview conventional view working as a neurosurgery I was at Harvard Medical School for 15 years and I thought I had some idea of how the brain mind consciousness were interrelated based on my education and experience over all those years , then in November 2008 I was very deeply thrust into coma over just a few hours with a severe gram negative bacteria meningitis that is the worst kind of meningitis you can have. And i didn't come to realize it until much later after i came back but kind of meningitis is a perfect model for human death because of all diseases it preferentially destroys the human part of the brain the outer surface which is known as the neo-cortex and our conventional neuro scientif models of consciousness all postulate the advanced calculating abilities of the new córtex are essential for any kind of detailed conscious awareness. Everything we see, hear, think, feel, all our thoughts and emotions every bit of that is constructed with neo cortex. And by destroying it you basically destroy everything that should be part of consciousness, this ability to perceive things, and yet deep into my coma what actually happened was as my neo cortex was devastated my conscious awareness expanded tremendously and of course that is the story I tell in my book where I provide proof that Heaven exists. ....... --------------------------- Ok. That is enough. We are talking about a neurosurgeon who changed his afterlife paradigms as he went through a Near Death Experience , NDE, himself. This NDE put in check his materialistic view and he started to advocate that consciousness is not a product of the brain. Since consciousness is not a byproduct of the brain activity there is in every human being a spiritual particle called spirit. Evidently. How did he come up with this conclusion? He had the most severe in all brain diseases, a Meningitis which destroys the neo cortex, the part of the brain, supposed by the materialist scientists, to be responsible for consciousness. Most contradictorily instead of shrinking his consciouness expanded tremendously using his own words, this experience kicked him into writing a book defending the existence of heaven. P.S= I didn't notice the experience by Dr. Eben Alexander had already been posted. Well, so include the current post into the previous one. Strange, it seems things are on a synchronic mode. [/QUOTE]
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