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<blockquote data-quote="Zoomerz" data-source="post: 19732" data-attributes="member: 390"><p><strong>Re: Osama Bin Laden - PE#1</strong></p><p></p><p>Darkwolf;</p><p></p><p>Very nice response post, and at least 90% right (MHO). Everything you site regarding the 70's and 80's Jihadists is most likely correct, along with OBL's declaration of the "Great Satans"....However, I would correct one thing, that OBL's training camps WERE actually built by us, along with the fact that sidewinders (and other U.S. weaponry) were most likely NOT supplied to him from anywhere else. I do believe you are correct in that the FF's were not directly "trained" by us. At any rate, it is clear that we supported his movement, and on friendly terms.....</p><p></p><p>You ask above about "Who slaughtered 3 million Afghanis under Clinton's reign". Well, Bubbu is stealing my thunder here a bit, but this story is the crux of my "64 million dollar " question, heh....</p><p></p><p>Between Sep 2000 and Feb 2002, I lived in a small apt complex here in Utah, and above me lived a funny man that looked somewhat like a 50+ yo Teddy Roosevelt, complete with handle bar mustache and wire rimmed glasses. He never really talked much to anyone, and would mysteriously disappear for months at a time. We always knew when he was around, because he drove an olive drab jeep cj5 with a tan top, and had an American flag proudly waving from his antena, heh. Quite an odd fellow.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, one day (I think it was in late Oct, or early Nov of 2001), shortly after 911, I sorta "bumped" into him when he was unloading a piece of furniture out of the back of his jeep, and so I offered to help him carry it. As it turned out, he wasn't a "recluse" as I had thought, and after carrying the piece upstairs to his apt, he told me about himself...</p><p></p><p>He was retired from the DOD (a GS worker), who specialized in biological weaponry and high explosives munitions. Turns out, since retirement, he had been "contracted" by another agency (which I will leave unnamed for now), and had been recently involved in munitions identification and disposal in Iraq as a part of a team attached to the UN. It also turned out that the reason he was "missing" all that time was that he was only temporarily in Utah on an assignment investigating Anthrax mail evidence at a local lab, and normally had his primary res in Lake Tahoe, Cal.</p><p></p><p>So no doubt now, I'm a little more than interested in hearing more (but a serious skeptic!), when the subject of 911 (which had just recently happened) comes up, and he starts laughing, and telling me, "Oh, yeah, well we really pissed him off!" (OBL) he continues, "I probably know him better than any other in this country. I was his primary advisor during the afghan/sov war, and he had reasons for hating us.".......</p><p></p><p>At this point I'd like to emphasize, I CAN'T PROVE what I'm about to tell you, but as you will see by the end of the story, I have VERY GOOD reasons for believing it to be possible.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, he continues to tell me about how OBL was reluctant in the beginning to fight the Soviets at all. According to him, OBL was an intensely loyal "family" guardian, who sees himself as the "protector" of "his" people. In other words, he has always felt himself personally responsible for their welfare. He was worried about the women and children especially, and so only agreed to lead the FF resistance IF we would agree to protect the women and children while he fought.</p><p></p><p>So we agreed, and subsequently built what amounted to a city camp in the southern afghan mountains where the Soviet helicopters would not be able to reach them. That camp was solely supported by us until well after the soviet troops were withdrawn in 1989. In fact, we continued to support this city until late 1993, when, as part of a treaty with Russia, Clinton agreed to withdraw all support to Afghanistan (I'm researching as we speak for exactly which treaty he was talking about, and will advise!). And so, in the grips of winter, 1993, the lights went out on that city/camp, and as a result, 3+ million women and children died.</p><p></p><p>Pretty incredible, eh? Unconscionable if true. And at this point, I'm a true "non-believer"....That is, until he says, "See that picture over there?", and I look, and there is a black and white approx 13x8 framed picture on his living room wall with him in the center, an army major on his left, and, you guessed it, OBL on his right, with his arm around his shoulder like buddies! The picture was taken in a "desert" location, and I was so amazed I really didn't think to ask all the right questions. But I will say, I'm well versed in photo manipulation and graphics programs, and there's no way this was a fake. At any rate, I'm left now somewhere between wanting to believe the whole thing is a lie, and the uncomfortable knowledge that it might well be true.</p><p></p><p>So, there you have it. There's no doubt in my mind that you are right about his "Jihad" against the "Great Satan" Darkwolf, and it's well documented that OBL had already declared war against us well before this happened. As a matter of fact, the bombing in Yemen had already occurred by this time, so I'm not trying to suggest we were at fault, yadeyadeya,,,,,,that's horse crap, but it is possible that we really did "piss him off", and caused a human tragedy.</p><p></p><p>If anyone else has ANY evidence that might prove or disprove this, I'd sure like to hear it! It's been bugging me for a long time.</p><p></p><p>Regards,</p><p>Z-</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zoomerz, post: 19732, member: 390"] [b]Re: Osama Bin Laden - PE#1[/b] Darkwolf; Very nice response post, and at least 90% right (MHO). Everything you site regarding the 70's and 80's Jihadists is most likely correct, along with OBL's declaration of the "Great Satans"....However, I would correct one thing, that OBL's training camps WERE actually built by us, along with the fact that sidewinders (and other U.S. weaponry) were most likely NOT supplied to him from anywhere else. I do believe you are correct in that the FF's were not directly "trained" by us. At any rate, it is clear that we supported his movement, and on friendly terms..... You ask above about "Who slaughtered 3 million Afghanis under Clinton's reign". Well, Bubbu is stealing my thunder here a bit, but this story is the crux of my "64 million dollar " question, heh.... Between Sep 2000 and Feb 2002, I lived in a small apt complex here in Utah, and above me lived a funny man that looked somewhat like a 50+ yo Teddy Roosevelt, complete with handle bar mustache and wire rimmed glasses. He never really talked much to anyone, and would mysteriously disappear for months at a time. We always knew when he was around, because he drove an olive drab jeep cj5 with a tan top, and had an American flag proudly waving from his antena, heh. Quite an odd fellow. Anyway, one day (I think it was in late Oct, or early Nov of 2001), shortly after 911, I sorta "bumped" into him when he was unloading a piece of furniture out of the back of his jeep, and so I offered to help him carry it. As it turned out, he wasn't a "recluse" as I had thought, and after carrying the piece upstairs to his apt, he told me about himself... He was retired from the DOD (a GS worker), who specialized in biological weaponry and high explosives munitions. Turns out, since retirement, he had been "contracted" by another agency (which I will leave unnamed for now), and had been recently involved in munitions identification and disposal in Iraq as a part of a team attached to the UN. It also turned out that the reason he was "missing" all that time was that he was only temporarily in Utah on an assignment investigating Anthrax mail evidence at a local lab, and normally had his primary res in Lake Tahoe, Cal. So no doubt now, I'm a little more than interested in hearing more (but a serious skeptic!), when the subject of 911 (which had just recently happened) comes up, and he starts laughing, and telling me, "Oh, yeah, well we really pissed him off!" (OBL) he continues, "I probably know him better than any other in this country. I was his primary advisor during the afghan/sov war, and he had reasons for hating us."....... At this point I'd like to emphasize, I CAN'T PROVE what I'm about to tell you, but as you will see by the end of the story, I have VERY GOOD reasons for believing it to be possible. Anyway, he continues to tell me about how OBL was reluctant in the beginning to fight the Soviets at all. According to him, OBL was an intensely loyal "family" guardian, who sees himself as the "protector" of "his" people. In other words, he has always felt himself personally responsible for their welfare. He was worried about the women and children especially, and so only agreed to lead the FF resistance IF we would agree to protect the women and children while he fought. So we agreed, and subsequently built what amounted to a city camp in the southern afghan mountains where the Soviet helicopters would not be able to reach them. That camp was solely supported by us until well after the soviet troops were withdrawn in 1989. In fact, we continued to support this city until late 1993, when, as part of a treaty with Russia, Clinton agreed to withdraw all support to Afghanistan (I'm researching as we speak for exactly which treaty he was talking about, and will advise!). And so, in the grips of winter, 1993, the lights went out on that city/camp, and as a result, 3+ million women and children died. Pretty incredible, eh? Unconscionable if true. And at this point, I'm a true "non-believer"....That is, until he says, "See that picture over there?", and I look, and there is a black and white approx 13x8 framed picture on his living room wall with him in the center, an army major on his left, and, you guessed it, OBL on his right, with his arm around his shoulder like buddies! The picture was taken in a "desert" location, and I was so amazed I really didn't think to ask all the right questions. But I will say, I'm well versed in photo manipulation and graphics programs, and there's no way this was a fake. At any rate, I'm left now somewhere between wanting to believe the whole thing is a lie, and the uncomfortable knowledge that it might well be true. So, there you have it. There's no doubt in my mind that you are right about his "Jihad" against the "Great Satan" Darkwolf, and it's well documented that OBL had already declared war against us well before this happened. As a matter of fact, the bombing in Yemen had already occurred by this time, so I'm not trying to suggest we were at fault, yadeyadeya,,,,,,that's horse crap, but it is possible that we really did "piss him off", and caused a human tragedy. If anyone else has ANY evidence that might prove or disprove this, I'd sure like to hear it! It's been bugging me for a long time. Regards, Z- [/QUOTE]
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