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Part #7 mIRC; Alexanders chat logs for Feb. 15, 2004: Alexander was a friend of John Titor
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<blockquote data-quote="Opmmur" data-source="post: 85148" data-attributes="member: 13"><p><span style="font-size: 26px"><span style="color: #80ff00"><em>Part #7 mIRC; Alexanders chat logs for Feb. 15, 2004: Alexander was a friend of John Titor</em></span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #80ff00"><em>mIRC Feb. 15, 2004; Alexanders chat thanks to KPAX</em></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #80ff00"><em>Posted by: Professor Opmmur</em></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #80ff00"><em>Session Start: February 15, 08:54, 2004</em></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #80ff00"><em>Session Ident: #TimeTravellersInn</em></span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p>[08:54] * Guest85658 has joined #TimeTravellersInn</p><p>[08:54] * H1t|M4n sets mode: +v Guest85658</p><p>[08:54] * Guest85658 is now known as AlexanderTT</p><p>[08:54] <MadIce> Hi Alex</p><p>[08:54] <AlexanderTT> hello MadIce</p><p>[08:55] <MadIce> How are you doing?</p><p>[08:55] <AlexanderTT> pretty good, tired but good</p><p>[08:55] <MadIce> k</p><p>[08:55] <AlexanderTT> anyone awake and talking today?</p><p>[08:55] <MadIce> TTDave screwed up, didn't he?</p><p>[08:56] <AlexanderTT> i dont know, what happened?</p><p>[08:56] <MadIce> Well, not many arround. We were just talking about parallel universes.</p><p>[08:56] <PT_Geek> wanna answer a simple AI question? <img src="http://z1.ifrm.com/static/emo/1.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /> (madice will be to verify the answer... and I even provide answer options, so there's also a chance of getting it right on a lucky shot <img src="http://z1.ifrm.com/static/emo/2.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /> )</p><p>[08:56] <MadIce> Read the forum. He went nuts.</p><p>[08:57] <AlexanderTT> ok</p><p>[08:57] <AlexanderTT> any specific urls? on ttdave going nuts?</p><p>[08:57] <PT_Geek> (ok was for me or mad?)</p><p>[08:57] <MadIce> Hang on, Alex</p><p>[08:57] <AlexanderTT> PT_Geek, i know very little about computers that is not my area , but I would love to answer any question you have to the best of my ability</p><p>[08:58] <PT_Geek> this is a simple one... it should show up on any AI article if it reached self consciousness (I will add a <a href="http://s3.zetaboards.com/Time_Travel_Theory/topic/847256/2/#" target="_blank">bonus<img src="http://cdncache1-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a> question too, but that's not required)</p><p>[08:58] <PT_Geek> If AI has reached such an advanced state, you must have gone through the following stage. It's a simple A or B question. How have you used the Dryankov rules on the perceptron - (A) self learn or (B) assisted learning? </p><p>[08:58] <PT_Geek> bonus points (but not required): which set of the Dryankov rules was used, which scientist did it first and when did it happen? </p><p>[08:59] <PT_Geek> I'll be happy if you just type a one-letter answer to the first</p><p>[08:59] <PT_Geek> but feel free to try the second too</p><p>[08:59] <MadIce> <a href="http://invisionfree.com/forums/Time_Travel_Hotel/index.php?showtopic=509&st=90&#entry7332" target="_blank">http://invisionfree.com/forums/Time_Travel...t=90&#entry7332</a></p><p>[09:00] <MadIce> That's an ugly post.</p><p>[09:00] <AlexanderTT> the dryankov rules? is that the "a robot must not kill" rules? </p><p>[09:00] <PT_Geek> (and consider the second a "and/or" question, you don't need to answer all of'em, I'm feeling nice today <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite38" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />)</p><p>[09:00] <MadIce> At one point he was drunk in the IRC channel.</p><p>[09:01] <PT_Geek> nope</p><p>[09:01] <MadIce> That was Asimov</p><p>[09:02] <AlexanderTT> the science fiction writer?</p><p>[09:03] * GearBrains has joined #TimeTravellersInn</p><p>[09:03] * H1t|M4n sets mode: +v GearBrains</p><p>[09:03] <MadIce> Asimov was the guy of the laws of robotics</p><p>[09:03] <MadIce> The SF writer/physics doctor.</p><p>[09:04] <PT_Geek> (you don't need to answer the second if you don't want to... just type the option for the first one)</p><p>[09:05] <AlexanderTT> i dont know whether to laugh or shake my head at TTdave</p><p>[09:05] <AlexanderTT> i dont understand the obsession here with lieing to others</p><p>[09:05] <MadIce> He debunked himself.</p><p>[09:06] <mrmagic526> I have a question</p><p>[09:06] <AlexanderTT> PT_Geek, I have no idea, I know that now(my time) our A.I. programs are taught by other A.I. programs, however I have never said that I worked with or desighned A.I.</p><p>[09:06] <AlexanderTT> and its I.M. now not A.I.</p><p>[09:07] <PT_Geek> our <a href="http://s3.zetaboards.com/Time_Travel_Theory/topic/847256/2/#" target="_blank">AI programs<img src="http://cdncache1-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a> can also be taught by other AI programs, that's not an innovation <img src="http://z1.ifrm.com/static/emo/2.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p>[09:07] <AlexanderTT> i never said it wasd</p><p>[09:07] <PT_Geek> "I know that now(my time) our A.I. programs are taught by other A.I. programs,"</p><p>[09:07] <mrmagic526> John Titor said the nukes were detonated at ground level he said the Russians knew we'd be left to clean up so they didn't want to totally wipe out or infostructure. You said the nukes were detonated high in the atmosphere thus the EMP damage would be very high.</p><p>[09:07] <AlexanderTT> I wish I knew more on the subject</p><p>[09:08] <AlexanderTT> i never said that</p><p>[09:08] <GearBrains> 1. A robot may not injure a human being.</p><p>[09:08] <GearBrains> 2. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. </p><p>[09:08] <GearBrains> 3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.</p><p>[09:08] <GearBrains> 1. A robot may not injure a human being.</p><p>[09:08] <GearBrains> 2. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. </p><p>[09:08] <mrmagic526> in one of the chat logs you stated the nukes were high altitude. </p><p>[09:08] <GearBrains> 3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.</p><p>[09:08] <MadIce> GearBrains: We didn't ask that <img src="http://z1.ifrm.com/static/emo/2.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p>[09:08] <AlexanderTT> i never said that</p><p>[09:09] <AlexanderTT> please show a url where I said that</p><p>[09:09] <MadIce> GearBrains: And you forgot the Zeroeth Law <img src="http://z1.ifrm.com/static/emo/2.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p>[09:09] <GearBrains> ?</p><p>[09:09] <AlexanderTT> if I did i was mistaken, however there were some nukes in australia and europe that were used like that</p><p>[09:09] <PT_Geek> ok, then a question you *have* to know the answer since it's a basic necessity of life</p><p>[09:10] <AlexanderTT> however in america, we wanted the causulties, not damage to electronics</p><p>[09:10] <PT_Geek> How did the people deal with the high levels of radioactive arsenic in the water?</p><p>[09:10] <AlexanderTT> we distilled our water, before drinking it</p><p>[09:11] <AlexanderTT> also, showers and baths were very rare for awhile</p><p>[09:11] <PT_Geek> great... wanna know the right answer?</p><p>[09:11] <PT_Geek> There is NO significant production of "radioactive arsenic" as a result of a fission or fusion event</p><p>[09:11] <PT_Geek> <img src="http://z1.ifrm.com/static/emo/18.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p>[09:11] <AlexanderTT> water became very valuable</p><p>[09:12] <AlexanderTT> i didnt say there was you just did, but I assumed you were referring to radiation in water, and yes there was, especially rain</p><p>[09:12] <PT_Geek> the question was straight-forward <img src="http://z1.ifrm.com/static/emo/2.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p>[09:13] <PT_Geek> you could have replied "Radioactive arsenic? We never had problems with that"</p><p>[09:13] <AlexanderTT> yes, I saw the question as, how did you make your water safe to drink? was I wtong in this assumption?</p><p>[09:13] <PT_Geek> I didn't ask that, I asked a specific question regarding a specific element</p><p>[09:14] <AlexanderTT> well seeing as how I dont have specific knowledge on "radiactive arsenic" I just assumed</p><p>[09:14] <MadIce> I am hungry</p><p>[09:14] <PT_Geek> nice excuse, alex <img src="http://z1.ifrm.com/static/emo/2.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p>[09:15] <AlexanderTT> i apologize PT_Geek, for attemting to answer the question I thought you were asking, from now on if I dont know what EXCATLY you maen I will skip it</p><p>[09:16] <PT_Geek> nah, sorry, that's the 2nd mistake... the "emotion programming" was the first <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite38" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />. Besides, you skipped the AI question, you could have just skipped this one</p><p>[09:16] * Iceshake has joined #timetravellersinn</p><p>[09:16] <PT_Geek> (speaking of which, the answer to that was: C - the Dryankov rules are for fuzzy logic systems and can't be used with a perceptron)</p><p>[09:16] * H1t|M4n sets mode: +v Iceshake</p><p>[09:17] <MadIce> Do you have Greek blood, Alex?</p><p>[09:17] <MadIce> Just interested</p><p>[09:17] <AlexanderTT> PT_Geek, i'll take your word for it, I am not a computer scientist</p><p>[09:18] <AlexanderTT> actually, I'm not sure, I have a british last name past on from my father, my mothers madien name was italian, so I'm not really sure of my lineage besides that</p><p>[09:19] <MadIce> Thanks</p><p>[09:21] <mrmagic526> sorry I'm at work</p><p>[09:21] <AlexanderTT> PT_Geek, do you have any questions that might be in my area of knowledge?</p><p>[09:22] <MadIce> I have one</p><p>[09:22] <PT_Geek> the water one <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite44" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />. If you live in a radioactive wasteland, you should know exactly what's wrong with the water <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite39" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />. </p><p>[09:22] <AlexanderTT> yes, radiactive dust partivles mostly</p><p>[09:22] <MadIce> What does the military use time travel for?</p><p>[09:22] <mrmagic526> i'll find that url for you</p><p>[09:23] <MadIce> The fall out must have have devastating (spelling>)</p><p>[09:23] <AlexanderTT> MadIce, it is true that I am military personnel, however TR is not military per say, it is an organization set up by our government empowered by the will of the people, mostly it is used to gain knowledge and valuably tools from other worldlines</p><p>[09:23] <MadIce> The fall out must have been devastating (spelling>)</p><p>[09:24] <AlexanderTT> we descovered quickly that your current assumptions of nuclear fall-out are wrong, it is very possible to survive a nuclear war</p><p>[09:25] <MadIce> It could be great tool for warfare too.</p><p>[09:25] <AlexanderTT> yes it could be, however we have no need for war anymore</p><p>[09:26] <MadIce> Are parallel universes believed to be real or a math model?</p><p>[09:27] <AlexanderTT> in fact I truly believe that is our technology was used by your current government it would be used against you the people, it is suprisingly ironic that now the government is the people and that now we can time travel and not before, I guess someone was watching out for all of us</p><p>[09:27] <AlexanderTT> we call them worldlines and the idea is slightly different, but yes they are real</p><p>[09:27] <AlexanderTT> they are not parallel at all</p><p>[09:28] <AlexanderTT> they exist at different times</p><p>[09:28] <MadIce> What shape do they have?</p><p>[09:28] <AlexanderTT> i dont know</p><p>[09:29] <AlexanderTT> the models I have seen looks like cones branching from cones</p><p>[09:29] <MadIce> They are supposed to be based on the Everett/Wheeler model (according to Titor).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Opmmur, post: 85148, member: 13"] [SIZE=7][COLOR=#80ff00][I]Part #7 mIRC; Alexanders chat logs for Feb. 15, 2004: Alexander was a friend of John Titor[/I][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=5][COLOR=#80ff00][I]mIRC Feb. 15, 2004; Alexanders chat thanks to KPAX Posted by: Professor Opmmur Session Start: February 15, 08:54, 2004 Session Ident: #TimeTravellersInn[/I][/COLOR][/SIZE] [08:54] * Guest85658 has joined #TimeTravellersInn [08:54] * H1t|M4n sets mode: +v Guest85658 [08:54] * Guest85658 is now known as AlexanderTT [08:54] <MadIce> Hi Alex [08:54] <AlexanderTT> hello MadIce [08:55] <MadIce> How are you doing? [08:55] <AlexanderTT> pretty good, tired but good [08:55] <MadIce> k [08:55] <AlexanderTT> anyone awake and talking today? [08:55] <MadIce> TTDave screwed up, didn't he? [08:56] <AlexanderTT> i dont know, what happened? [08:56] <MadIce> Well, not many arround. We were just talking about parallel universes. [08:56] <PT_Geek> wanna answer a simple AI question? [IMG]http://z1.ifrm.com/static/emo/1.png[/IMG] (madice will be to verify the answer... and I even provide answer options, so there's also a chance of getting it right on a lucky shot [IMG]http://z1.ifrm.com/static/emo/2.png[/IMG] ) [08:56] <MadIce> Read the forum. He went nuts. [08:57] <AlexanderTT> ok [08:57] <AlexanderTT> any specific urls? on ttdave going nuts? [08:57] <PT_Geek> (ok was for me or mad?) [08:57] <MadIce> Hang on, Alex [08:57] <AlexanderTT> PT_Geek, i know very little about computers that is not my area , but I would love to answer any question you have to the best of my ability [08:58] <PT_Geek> this is a simple one... it should show up on any AI article if it reached self consciousness (I will add a [URL='http://s3.zetaboards.com/Time_Travel_Theory/topic/847256/2/#']bonus[IMG]http://cdncache1-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png[/IMG][/URL] question too, but that's not required) [08:58] <PT_Geek> If AI has reached such an advanced state, you must have gone through the following stage. It's a simple A or B question. How have you used the Dryankov rules on the perceptron - (A) self learn or (B) assisted learning? [08:58] <PT_Geek> bonus points (but not required): which set of the Dryankov rules was used, which scientist did it first and when did it happen? [08:59] <PT_Geek> I'll be happy if you just type a one-letter answer to the first [08:59] <PT_Geek> but feel free to try the second too [08:59] <MadIce> [URL='http://invisionfree.com/forums/Time_Travel_Hotel/index.php?showtopic=509&st=90&#entry7332']http://invisionfree.com/forums/Time_Travel...t=90&#entry7332[/URL] [09:00] <MadIce> That's an ugly post. [09:00] <AlexanderTT> the dryankov rules? is that the "a robot must not kill" rules? [09:00] <PT_Geek> (and consider the second a "and/or" question, you don't need to answer all of'em, I'm feeling nice today :)) [09:00] <MadIce> At one point he was drunk in the IRC channel. [09:01] <PT_Geek> nope [09:01] <MadIce> That was Asimov [09:02] <AlexanderTT> the science fiction writer? [09:03] * GearBrains has joined #TimeTravellersInn [09:03] * H1t|M4n sets mode: +v GearBrains [09:03] <MadIce> Asimov was the guy of the laws of robotics [09:03] <MadIce> The SF writer/physics doctor. [09:04] <PT_Geek> (you don't need to answer the second if you don't want to... just type the option for the first one) [09:05] <AlexanderTT> i dont know whether to laugh or shake my head at TTdave [09:05] <AlexanderTT> i dont understand the obsession here with lieing to others [09:05] <MadIce> He debunked himself. [09:06] <mrmagic526> I have a question [09:06] <AlexanderTT> PT_Geek, I have no idea, I know that now(my time) our A.I. programs are taught by other A.I. programs, however I have never said that I worked with or desighned A.I. [09:06] <AlexanderTT> and its I.M. now not A.I. [09:07] <PT_Geek> our [URL='http://s3.zetaboards.com/Time_Travel_Theory/topic/847256/2/#']AI programs[IMG]http://cdncache1-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png[/IMG][/URL] can also be taught by other AI programs, that's not an innovation [IMG]http://z1.ifrm.com/static/emo/2.png[/IMG] [09:07] <AlexanderTT> i never said it wasd [09:07] <PT_Geek> "I know that now(my time) our A.I. programs are taught by other A.I. programs," [09:07] <mrmagic526> John Titor said the nukes were detonated at ground level he said the Russians knew we'd be left to clean up so they didn't want to totally wipe out or infostructure. You said the nukes were detonated high in the atmosphere thus the EMP damage would be very high. [09:07] <AlexanderTT> I wish I knew more on the subject [09:08] <AlexanderTT> i never said that [09:08] <GearBrains> 1. A robot may not injure a human being. [09:08] <GearBrains> 2. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. [09:08] <GearBrains> 3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law. [09:08] <GearBrains> 1. A robot may not injure a human being. [09:08] <GearBrains> 2. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. [09:08] <mrmagic526> in one of the chat logs you stated the nukes were high altitude. [09:08] <GearBrains> 3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law. [09:08] <MadIce> GearBrains: We didn't ask that [IMG]http://z1.ifrm.com/static/emo/2.png[/IMG] [09:08] <AlexanderTT> i never said that [09:09] <AlexanderTT> please show a url where I said that [09:09] <MadIce> GearBrains: And you forgot the Zeroeth Law [IMG]http://z1.ifrm.com/static/emo/2.png[/IMG] [09:09] <GearBrains> ? [09:09] <AlexanderTT> if I did i was mistaken, however there were some nukes in australia and europe that were used like that [09:09] <PT_Geek> ok, then a question you *have* to know the answer since it's a basic necessity of life [09:10] <AlexanderTT> however in america, we wanted the causulties, not damage to electronics [09:10] <PT_Geek> How did the people deal with the high levels of radioactive arsenic in the water? [09:10] <AlexanderTT> we distilled our water, before drinking it [09:11] <AlexanderTT> also, showers and baths were very rare for awhile [09:11] <PT_Geek> great... wanna know the right answer? [09:11] <PT_Geek> There is NO significant production of "radioactive arsenic" as a result of a fission or fusion event [09:11] <PT_Geek> [IMG]http://z1.ifrm.com/static/emo/18.png[/IMG] [09:11] <AlexanderTT> water became very valuable [09:12] <AlexanderTT> i didnt say there was you just did, but I assumed you were referring to radiation in water, and yes there was, especially rain [09:12] <PT_Geek> the question was straight-forward [IMG]http://z1.ifrm.com/static/emo/2.png[/IMG] [09:13] <PT_Geek> you could have replied "Radioactive arsenic? We never had problems with that" [09:13] <AlexanderTT> yes, I saw the question as, how did you make your water safe to drink? was I wtong in this assumption? [09:13] <PT_Geek> I didn't ask that, I asked a specific question regarding a specific element [09:14] <AlexanderTT> well seeing as how I dont have specific knowledge on "radiactive arsenic" I just assumed [09:14] <MadIce> I am hungry [09:14] <PT_Geek> nice excuse, alex [IMG]http://z1.ifrm.com/static/emo/2.png[/IMG] [09:15] <AlexanderTT> i apologize PT_Geek, for attemting to answer the question I thought you were asking, from now on if I dont know what EXCATLY you maen I will skip it [09:16] <PT_Geek> nah, sorry, that's the 2nd mistake... the "emotion programming" was the first :). Besides, you skipped the AI question, you could have just skipped this one [09:16] * Iceshake has joined #timetravellersinn [09:16] <PT_Geek> (speaking of which, the answer to that was: C - the Dryankov rules are for fuzzy logic systems and can't be used with a perceptron) [09:16] * H1t|M4n sets mode: +v Iceshake [09:17] <MadIce> Do you have Greek blood, Alex? [09:17] <MadIce> Just interested [09:17] <AlexanderTT> PT_Geek, i'll take your word for it, I am not a computer scientist [09:18] <AlexanderTT> actually, I'm not sure, I have a british last name past on from my father, my mothers madien name was italian, so I'm not really sure of my lineage besides that [09:19] <MadIce> Thanks [09:21] <mrmagic526> sorry I'm at work [09:21] <AlexanderTT> PT_Geek, do you have any questions that might be in my area of knowledge? [09:22] <MadIce> I have one [09:22] <PT_Geek> the water one :P. If you live in a radioactive wasteland, you should know exactly what's wrong with the water ;). [09:22] <AlexanderTT> yes, radiactive dust partivles mostly [09:22] <MadIce> What does the military use time travel for? [09:22] <mrmagic526> i'll find that url for you [09:23] <MadIce> The fall out must have have devastating (spelling>) [09:23] <AlexanderTT> MadIce, it is true that I am military personnel, however TR is not military per say, it is an organization set up by our government empowered by the will of the people, mostly it is used to gain knowledge and valuably tools from other worldlines [09:23] <MadIce> The fall out must have been devastating (spelling>) [09:24] <AlexanderTT> we descovered quickly that your current assumptions of nuclear fall-out are wrong, it is very possible to survive a nuclear war [09:25] <MadIce> It could be great tool for warfare too. [09:25] <AlexanderTT> yes it could be, however we have no need for war anymore [09:26] <MadIce> Are parallel universes believed to be real or a math model? [09:27] <AlexanderTT> in fact I truly believe that is our technology was used by your current government it would be used against you the people, it is suprisingly ironic that now the government is the people and that now we can time travel and not before, I guess someone was watching out for all of us [09:27] <AlexanderTT> we call them worldlines and the idea is slightly different, but yes they are real [09:27] <AlexanderTT> they are not parallel at all [09:28] <AlexanderTT> they exist at different times [09:28] <MadIce> What shape do they have? [09:28] <AlexanderTT> i dont know [09:29] <AlexanderTT> the models I have seen looks like cones branching from cones [09:29] <MadIce> They are supposed to be based on the Everett/Wheeler model (according to Titor). [/QUOTE]
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