Part #7 mIRC; Alexanders chat logs for Feb. 15, 2004: Alexander was a friend of John Titor


Time Travel Professor
Part #7 mIRC; Alexanders chat logs for Feb. 15, 2004: Alexander was a friend of John Titor

mIRC Feb. 15, 2004; Alexanders chat thanks to KPAX
Posted by: Professor Opmmur
Session Start: February 15, 08:54, 2004
Session Ident: #TimeTravellersInn

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[08:54] <MadIce> Hi Alex
[08:54] <AlexanderTT> hello MadIce
[08:55] <MadIce> How are you doing?
[08:55] <AlexanderTT> pretty good, tired but good
[08:55] <MadIce> k
[08:55] <AlexanderTT> anyone awake and talking today?
[08:55] <MadIce> TTDave screwed up, didn't he?
[08:56] <AlexanderTT> i dont know, what happened?
[08:56] <MadIce> Well, not many arround. We were just talking about parallel universes.
[08:56] <PT_Geek> wanna answer a simple AI question?
(madice will be to verify the answer... and I even provide answer options, so there's also a chance of getting it right on a lucky shot
[08:56] <MadIce> Read the forum. He went nuts.
[08:57] <AlexanderTT> ok
[08:57] <AlexanderTT> any specific urls? on ttdave going nuts?
[08:57] <PT_Geek> (ok was for me or mad?)
[08:57] <MadIce> Hang on, Alex
[08:57] <AlexanderTT> PT_Geek, i know very little about computers that is not my area , but I would love to answer any question you have to the best of my ability
[08:58] <PT_Geek> this is a simple one... it should show up on any AI article if it reached self consciousness (I will add a bonus question too, but that's not required)
[08:58] <PT_Geek> If AI has reached such an advanced state, you must have gone through the following stage. It's a simple A or B question. How have you used the Dryankov rules on the perceptron - (A) self learn or (B) assisted learning?
[08:58] <PT_Geek> bonus points (but not required): which set of the Dryankov rules was used, which scientist did it first and when did it happen?
[08:59] <PT_Geek> I'll be happy if you just type a one-letter answer to the first
[08:59] <PT_Geek> but feel free to try the second too
[08:59] <MadIce>
[09:00] <MadIce> That's an ugly post.
[09:00] <AlexanderTT> the dryankov rules? is that the "a robot must not kill" rules?
[09:00] <PT_Geek> (and consider the second a "and/or" question, you don't need to answer all of'em, I'm feeling nice today :))
[09:00] <MadIce> At one point he was drunk in the IRC channel.
[09:01] <PT_Geek> nope
[09:01] <MadIce> That was Asimov
[09:02] <AlexanderTT> the science fiction writer?
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[09:03] <MadIce> Asimov was the guy of the laws of robotics
[09:03] <MadIce> The SF writer/physics doctor.
[09:04] <PT_Geek> (you don't need to answer the second if you don't want to... just type the option for the first one)
[09:05] <AlexanderTT> i dont know whether to laugh or shake my head at TTdave
[09:05] <AlexanderTT> i dont understand the obsession here with lieing to others
[09:05] <MadIce> He debunked himself.
[09:06] <mrmagic526> I have a question
[09:06] <AlexanderTT> PT_Geek, I have no idea, I know that now(my time) our A.I. programs are taught by other A.I. programs, however I have never said that I worked with or desighned A.I.
[09:06] <AlexanderTT> and its I.M. now not A.I.
[09:07] <PT_Geek> our AI programs can also be taught by other AI programs, that's not an innovation

[09:07] <AlexanderTT> i never said it wasd
[09:07] <PT_Geek> "I know that now(my time) our A.I. programs are taught by other A.I. programs,"
[09:07] <mrmagic526> John Titor said the nukes were detonated at ground level he said the Russians knew we'd be left to clean up so they didn't want to totally wipe out or infostructure. You said the nukes were detonated high in the atmosphere thus the EMP damage would be very high.
[09:07] <AlexanderTT> I wish I knew more on the subject
[09:08] <AlexanderTT> i never said that
[09:08] <GearBrains> 1. A robot may not injure a human being.
[09:08] <GearBrains> 2. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
[09:08] <GearBrains> 3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
[09:08] <GearBrains> 1. A robot may not injure a human being.
[09:08] <GearBrains> 2. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
[09:08] <mrmagic526> in one of the chat logs you stated the nukes were high altitude.
[09:08] <GearBrains> 3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
[09:08] <MadIce> GearBrains: We didn't ask that

[09:08] <AlexanderTT> i never said that
[09:09] <AlexanderTT> please show a url where I said that
[09:09] <MadIce> GearBrains: And you forgot the Zeroeth Law

[09:09] <GearBrains> ?
[09:09] <AlexanderTT> if I did i was mistaken, however there were some nukes in australia and europe that were used like that
[09:09] <PT_Geek> ok, then a question you *have* to know the answer since it's a basic necessity of life
[09:10] <AlexanderTT> however in america, we wanted the causulties, not damage to electronics
[09:10] <PT_Geek> How did the people deal with the high levels of radioactive arsenic in the water?
[09:10] <AlexanderTT> we distilled our water, before drinking it
[09:11] <AlexanderTT> also, showers and baths were very rare for awhile
[09:11] <PT_Geek> great... wanna know the right answer?
[09:11] <PT_Geek> There is NO significant production of "radioactive arsenic" as a result of a fission or fusion event
[09:11] <PT_Geek>

[09:11] <AlexanderTT> water became very valuable
[09:12] <AlexanderTT> i didnt say there was you just did, but I assumed you were referring to radiation in water, and yes there was, especially rain
[09:12] <PT_Geek> the question was straight-forward

[09:13] <PT_Geek> you could have replied "Radioactive arsenic? We never had problems with that"
[09:13] <AlexanderTT> yes, I saw the question as, how did you make your water safe to drink? was I wtong in this assumption?
[09:13] <PT_Geek> I didn't ask that, I asked a specific question regarding a specific element
[09:14] <AlexanderTT> well seeing as how I dont have specific knowledge on "radiactive arsenic" I just assumed
[09:14] <MadIce> I am hungry
[09:14] <PT_Geek> nice excuse, alex

[09:15] <AlexanderTT> i apologize PT_Geek, for attemting to answer the question I thought you were asking, from now on if I dont know what EXCATLY you maen I will skip it
[09:16] <PT_Geek> nah, sorry, that's the 2nd mistake... the "emotion programming" was the first :). Besides, you skipped the AI question, you could have just skipped this one
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[09:16] <PT_Geek> (speaking of which, the answer to that was: C - the Dryankov rules are for fuzzy logic systems and can't be used with a perceptron)
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[09:17] <MadIce> Do you have Greek blood, Alex?
[09:17] <MadIce> Just interested
[09:17] <AlexanderTT> PT_Geek, i'll take your word for it, I am not a computer scientist
[09:18] <AlexanderTT> actually, I'm not sure, I have a british last name past on from my father, my mothers madien name was italian, so I'm not really sure of my lineage besides that
[09:19] <MadIce> Thanks
[09:21] <mrmagic526> sorry I'm at work
[09:21] <AlexanderTT> PT_Geek, do you have any questions that might be in my area of knowledge?
[09:22] <MadIce> I have one
[09:22] <PT_Geek> the water one :p. If you live in a radioactive wasteland, you should know exactly what's wrong with the water ;).
[09:22] <AlexanderTT> yes, radiactive dust partivles mostly
[09:22] <MadIce> What does the military use time travel for?
[09:22] <mrmagic526> i'll find that url for you
[09:23] <MadIce> The fall out must have have devastating (spelling>)
[09:23] <AlexanderTT> MadIce, it is true that I am military personnel, however TR is not military per say, it is an organization set up by our government empowered by the will of the people, mostly it is used to gain knowledge and valuably tools from other worldlines
[09:23] <MadIce> The fall out must have been devastating (spelling>)
[09:24] <AlexanderTT> we descovered quickly that your current assumptions of nuclear fall-out are wrong, it is very possible to survive a nuclear war
[09:25] <MadIce> It could be great tool for warfare too.
[09:25] <AlexanderTT> yes it could be, however we have no need for war anymore
[09:26] <MadIce> Are parallel universes believed to be real or a math model?
[09:27] <AlexanderTT> in fact I truly believe that is our technology was used by your current government it would be used against you the people, it is suprisingly ironic that now the government is the people and that now we can time travel and not before, I guess someone was watching out for all of us
[09:27] <AlexanderTT> we call them worldlines and the idea is slightly different, but yes they are real
[09:27] <AlexanderTT> they are not parallel at all
[09:28] <AlexanderTT> they exist at different times
[09:28] <MadIce> What shape do they have?
[09:28] <AlexanderTT> i dont know
[09:29] <AlexanderTT> the models I have seen looks like cones branching from cones
[09:29] <MadIce> They are supposed to be based on the Everett/Wheeler model (according to Titor).


Time Travel Professor
mIRC Feb. 15, 2004; Alexanders chat thanks to KPAX
Posted by: Professor Opmmur
Session Start: February 15, 08:54, 2004
Session Ident: #TimeTravellersInn

[09:30] <AlexanderTT> ok, what shape does that have? then I guess that is your answer, i am not a physicist
[09:30] <MadIce> So, I figure parallel universes should apply. Worldlines are just graphics in the multiverse.
[09:30] <MadIce> graphs. Sorry
[09:31] <MadIce> Thanks for your answer.
[09:32] <AlexanderTT> i wish I knew more about the science behind the C404. I apologize for not
[09:32] <AlexanderTT> that type of knowledge is not considered required to make jumps however
[09:32] <AlexanderTT> at one point it was, advanced training was given
[09:33] <AlexanderTT> but then again, how many of you can tell me all the parts and what it does, in your car?
[09:33] <MadIce> It is my assumption that a trained TTer should know the basics of TT. Not the exact maths/physics behind it. Just the basics. Much like a medic knows at least first aid.
[09:34] <MadIce> Know. But I can read the traffic signs

[09:34] <MadIce> No. But I can read the traffic signs

[09:34] <AlexanderTT> i'm sorry if your assumption was wrong, I was taught very little and it was in lay-mans terms, but then again I was rushed through it trying to make dead-lines
[09:35] <MadIce> Let's just say I find it hard to believe. But do not take offense.
[09:35] <AlexanderTT> i do know the absolute basics, gravity is used to warp your existing state in a wordline, allowing you to travel to another
[09:36] <MadIce> I know it bends spacetime. You should be able to do that. But I fear for the worldlines

[09:37] <MadIce> What yo percieve to be your reality is a collection of wordlines. One for each quantum object.
[09:37] <AlexanderTT> you also must remember, I do not need to know these things, it is not my job, and if this knowledge is needed there are people alive today that have it, and would be able to make sense of the tech documents I have, so being "marooned" here is very unlikely
[09:38] <AlexanderTT> spacetime, i do remeber being taught about that
[09:39] <AlexanderTT> what you call spacetime, we call the fourth demension and it is gravity, gravity is not a force per say
[09:39] <AlexanderTT> gravity and time are one in the same to us
[09:39] <AlexanderTT> if i understand correctly
[09:40] <MadIce> Did they find the tachyon and the graviton yet?
[09:40] <AlexanderTT> why do those names sound familier?
[09:40] <MadIce> Particles
[09:40] <AlexanderTT> didnt I hear that on star trek?
[09:40] <MadIce> No
[09:41] <MadIce> Maybe in M-theory
[09:41] <MadIce> Physcis
[09:41] <AlexanderTT> we have descovered anti-matter, is that what you are asking about?
[09:41] <MadIce> No. We know anti-matter exists.
[09:41] <AlexanderTT> oh
[09:41] <AlexanderTT> are tachyons the partivles that travel faster than light?
[09:42] <MadIce> They should be the medium of time
[09:42] <Azrual> hey you watch nascar?
[09:42] <MadIce> Like photons are of light
[09:42] <MadIce> And gravitons of gravity
[09:43] <MadIce> Etc
[09:43] <AlexanderTT> I am unsure
[09:43] <Azrual> or my other question is....does nascar still exist in your time
[09:43] <AlexanderTT> this sounds familier though
[09:43] <AlexanderTT> nascar? the racing club?
[09:44] <Azrual> yes
[09:44] <AlexanderTT> we still have racing, but nascar is something talked about as memories
[09:44] <Azrual> hmm
[09:44] <Azrual> ok
[09:44] <AlexanderTT> i have heard stories of daytona
[09:45] <Azrual> thats all i have..the Daytona 500 is almost on
[09:45] <Azrual> yes the 2 best track in the world
[09:45] <AlexanderTT> wait, daytona is today??
[09:45] <Azrual> the close to you know the name?
[09:45] <Azrual> yes
[09:45] <Azrual> 12:30
[09:45] <AlexanderTT> I am going to watch that, it would be interesting
[09:46] <Azrual> Talladega..close to you right
[09:46] <AlexanderTT> talledega county had a large track, a city is there now
[09:46] <Azrual> 2 1/2 mile track
[09:46] <Azrual> i go every year
[09:47] <AlexanderTT> im not sure of the length, but refugees set up camp there and it grew into a city after the war
[09:47] <Azrual> cool thats where ill head when it starts..i live in alabama also Alex
[09:47] <AlexanderTT> the track itself is now part of the road going into the city, I remember that
[09:48] <AlexanderTT> look my younger self up in pickens county after it starts
[09:49] <Azrual> will i know who you are?
[09:49] <SnowFireWatches> Good morning alex -as usual I am late to the party - trying to catch up on what i missed so far
[09:49] <Azrual> heya snow
[09:49] <AlexanderTT> he will have the nick name, "lil striker"
[09:49] <Azrual> will do
[09:50] <Azrual> ill atlk to ya later going to a friends house to enjoy the race
[09:50] <Azrual> talk
[09:50] <AlexanderTT> have fun , and by the way your beer is watered down yet , delicious, drink some of that
[09:51] <AlexanderTT> SnowFireWatches, you havent missed anything of importance
[09:51] <SnowFireWatches> ok
[09:51] <SnowFireWatches> ty
[09:52] <AlexanderTT> i am finding it difficult to navigate the forum now, but I will try to answer questions of those who are seeking answers
[09:52] <SnowFireWatches> Alex have you met the "immortal" face to face yet?
[09:53] <AlexanderTT> no, it is not yet safe for me to do so, and I still do not believe in immortality
[09:53] <SnowFireWatches> (I know you are probably tired of "immortal" questions)
[09:53] <AlexanderTT> no, I dont mind
[09:53] <SnowFireWatches> Well that is just our nickname for him right? He is mortal in that he can die?
[09:53] <AlexanderTT> everyone will have there day to die, its only a matter of "time"
[09:54] <AlexanderTT> yes he can be killed
[09:54] <AlexanderTT> which is why we were to find him
[09:54] <PT_Geek> yeah, everybody knows immortals die if you cut their heads off

[09:54] <SnowFireWatches> haha geek
[09:54] <AlexanderTT> PT_Geek, I think everybody applies to that rule
[09:54] <SnowFireWatches> Alex - what about Frank - is he still an issue?
[09:55] <AlexanderTT> dont you ?
[09:55] <SnowFireWatches> true alex :)
[09:55] <PT_Geek> duncan macleod would agree

[09:55] <AlexanderTT> frank who is not named frank, (i know now more about him) is still a threat that must be dealt with before I leave
[09:57] <AlexanderTT> plans to do so are being carried out
[09:57] <AlexanderTT> and you wondered why there were two back-ups before
[09:57] <mrmagic526> okay maybe I confused some of what I was reading at 3am..... Oh well
[09:57] <SnowFireWatches> Alex - you are a Christian no? So how is that you don;t believe in immortality?
[09:57] <mrmagic526> I can't find it. I'm sorry alex if I came across bad
[09:57] <AlexanderTT> confused what mrmagic526?
[09:57] <mrmagic526> the high altitude nukes
[09:58] <AlexanderTT> oh I see, no harm done
[09:58] <mrmagic526> I should hav ebeen in bed
[09:58] <mrmagic526> I'm at work so there will be times where I won't say anything. I do tech support for an ISP
[09:59] <mrmagic526> so when a call comes in i have to focus on the call
[09:59] <AlexanderTT> which isp?
[09:59] <mrmagic526> Ikano (owns sisna and several others around the country)
[09:59] <PT_Geek> "I bought a new computer that has the Internet installed, but I can't find it on my disk. Where is it?"
[09:59] <PT_Geek>

[09:59] <PT_Geek> ever got one of those?

[09:59] <mrmagic526> no but there are some fun ones


Time Travel Professor
mIRC Feb. 15, 2004; Alexanders chat thanks to KPAX
Posted by: Professor Opmmur
Session Start: February 15, 08:54, 2004
Session Ident: #TimeTravellersInn

[10:00] <AlexanderTT> i met someone the other day who said they do the same thing for verizon here in alabama
[10:00] <mrmagic526> most just need email settings or dialup networking setup correctly
[10:00] <mrmagic526> I'm in Salt Lake City
[10:00] <AlexanderTT> oh ok
[10:01] <AlexanderTT> isnt that the home of the mormons?
[10:01] <mrmagic526> Speaking of which..... in 2015 should I head to Moab
[10:01] <AlexanderTT> salt lake city is not a place I would be
[10:01] <mrmagic526> yup
[10:01] <mrmagic526> I figured, to many military bases
[10:01] <PT_Geek> come over to Portugal... our only strategic target is in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean

[10:01] <AlexanderTT> not to worry, you will all know in enough time, where you should go, what amazes me still is the amount of people who stayed
[10:01] <mrmagic526> Hill airforce base and dugway proving grounds
[10:02] <SnowFireWatches> Do youknow anything about how North Dakota near the Canadian border fares?
[10:02] <mrmagic526> I plan on heading to a small southern utah town.
[10:02] <mrmagic526> I'm trying to get my masters in education administration first.
[10:02] <AlexanderTT> not specifically, no, sorry SnowFireWatches, its basically the same everywhere
[10:03] <SnowFireWatches> There are no big cities in ND but there are some missles there
[10:03] <AlexanderTT> education is important and it should be endeavored
[10:03] <mrmagic526> not sure if you'll know this but do you know anything about the mormons in 2036? just curious.
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[10:03] <jondz> hi
[10:03] <AlexanderTT> you would not like the answer if your mormon
[10:04] <SnowFireWatches> can we hear it anyway?
[10:04] <mrmagic526> indulge me....
[10:04] <AlexanderTT> they are still around, but very few
[10:04] <mrmagic526> I figured that as much
[10:05] <SnowFireWatches> Is there any religios viewpoints that are not tolerated in 2036?
[10:05] <mrmagic526> most in utah are really not very faithful. There's supposed to be some huge division in the church in the future and several if not all fall away
[10:05] <AlexanderTT> i personally never understood the religion or how someone would believe it, but your free to your belieif my friend
[10:05] <AlexanderTT> no SnowFireWatches
[10:05] <mrmagic526> thanks
[10:05] <mrmagic526> I feel the same way about several other religions. I'm not from Utah but from Baltimore originally so I'm more open to others views
[10:05] <SnowFireWatches> How do First Nations peoples fare?
[10:07] <mrmagic526> I also figured with the majority of LDS people being in large cities. (Washington DC has the highest concentrations on the east coast) that many get nuked
[10:07] <SnowFireWatches> North American indigenous peoples - Indian?
[10:07] <AlexanderTT> i dont know SnowFireWatches
[10:08] <mrmagic526> Indians I would bet survive well because most aren't in large cities. Several reservations in utah
[10:08] <AlexanderTT> my home I would say is my than 99% christian
[10:08] <SnowFireWatches> Well - are there any resettlements of Firt Nations peoples?
[10:08] <AlexanderTT> i dont know
[10:08] <mrmagic526> With the government destroyed they could go anywhere they want.
[10:08] <AlexanderTT> christianity is the religion of America
[10:09] <mrmagic526> Plus people sound more tollerant of differences so I would hope they would thrive
[10:09] <SnowFireWatches> They already can go anywhere they want :) Can even cross borders much easier than Caucasians
[10:09] <AlexanderTT> if you find this offensive, just remember our founding fathers were christian and it was there idea
[10:09] <mrmagic526> Well Mormons are Christians but I know several people disagree
[10:09] <AlexanderTT> from what I hear about mormons, I would say they are not christians
[10:10] <mrmagic526> Well you know the real name of the church right? "The church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints"
[10:10] <AlexanderTT> you may believe in the same messiah, but you have a different story of him as me
[10:11] <mrmagic526> We believe he's resurected and still has his body and will come again. We believe he paid for our sins if we repent through the atonement
[10:11] <mrmagic526> We believe he's the litteral son of God
[10:11] <AlexanderTT> christ spoke if only a first and second coming, one as a lamb and the other as a lion, I dint beleive he made more
[10:12] <mrmagic526> right the lion to save Isreal (the whole house of isreal is the 12 tribes and not just the tribe of Judah which is the Jews
[10:12] <AlexanderTT> yes, and that has not happened yet according to my beliefs
[10:13] <mrmagic526> I would agree from what I see in your timeline from both you and Titor.
[10:13] <AlexanderTT> also the lion will set up new earth and new juruselam
[10:14] <mrmagic526> I read once that the prediction is that once america is gone Isreal won't have us to protect them and that's when the rest of the world comes down on them.
[10:14] <mrmagic526> This prediction included the nuclear war
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[10:14] <mrmagic526> did you read the article on that they expect war with the USA by 2015....
[10:15] <mrmagic526> I tell people about it and they just laugh
[10:15] <mrmagic526> They are stupid
[10:16] <mrmagic526> Russia knows we want what's left of the oil. They aren't stupid.
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[10:16] <Guest85658> well thats never happened before
[10:17] <mrmagic526> what?
[10:17] <Guest85658> i got disconnected
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[10:17] <mrmagic526> ahh okay
[10:17] <mrmagic526> i think you can change your name now
[10:18] <mrmagic526> here's what I typed. I once read a prediction that once America is gone Isreal won't have us to protect them and that's when the rest of the world comes down on them. I would guess that's not too far off in your timeline
[10:18] <mrmagic526> The prediction included a nuclear war against america
[10:19] <mrmagic526> Also on russia is basically planning for a war with the USA by 2015 and china by 2030.
[10:20] <PT_Geek> why not take on the entire world by 2045?

[10:20] <mrmagic526> they were talking about a ground war. However with the recent nuclear war practice that they had they must be considering it
[10:20] <PT_Geek> russia is approaching the european union, I'm not seeing them going into a war with our allies... they need our market for economic purposes
[10:21] <mrmagic526> The problem is we are surrounding them with military bases. We even have an air base 20 miles away from one of theirs
[10:21] <mrmagic526> It's obvious we plan on attacking in the future
[10:22] <PT_Geek> so? you have an air base in my country. should I feel threatened?
[10:22] <mrmagic526> Would you feel threatened if Russia put an air base in Calgary Canada?
[10:22] <mrmagic526> or worse in Cuba?
[10:23] <PT_Geek> any particular reason why?
[10:23] <PT_Geek> we're not in the cold war anymore
[10:23] <PT_Geek>

[10:23] <mrmagic526> or if they decided to Invade Mexico to stop terrorist attacks in thier country then setup an occupation there?
[10:23] <PT_Geek> you invaded iraq and set up an occupation there... did russia nuke you for that?
[10:24] <PT_Geek> people don't just go "oh my, they are near us, let's nuke'em"
[10:24] <mrmagic526> Well with the kidnapping of the Presidential candidate in Russia and him fleeing the country you should rethink that
[10:24] <PT_Geek> there's too much at stake in a nuclear war for anyone to attempt it
[10:24] <Guest85658> not as much at stake as you think
[10:24] <mrmagic526> Putin was the head of the KGB he's communist through and through
[10:24] <PT_Geek> especially two countries like the US and Russia
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[10:25] <PT_Geek> Putin is a receptive president, he's not satan. Just look at how Russia is approaching Europe. The world doesn't revolve around the US alone

[10:25] <AlexanderTT> mrmagic526, you will start to see America pull out its protection of isreal shortly
[10:25] <mrmagic526> A good website for real information about the world is WHAT REALLY HAPPENED | The History The US Government HOPES You Never Learn!
[10:25] <mrmagic526> I don't doubt it alex at all. It's really crazy over there
[10:25] <AlexanderTT> isreal will be attacked before the war starts here, I assure you that
[10:26] <PT_Geek> israel is attacked every single day...
[10:26] <mrmagic526> Is it true that Isreal is using us as puppets a little bit? I hear rumors of that
[10:26] <MadIce> It's only crazy when it is real.
[10:26] <AlexanderTT> no , I mean a full offensive campaighn carried out by numerous enemies, including nuclear weapons
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[10:27] <mrmagic526> Isreal has killed more palistinians then palistinians have killed jews. Plus more civilians
[10:27] * H1t|M4n sets mode: +v Phoenix
[10:27] <mrmagic526> They have a right to be angry
[10:27] <Phoenix> They are always angry though
[10:28] <mrmagic526> Just as people in Iraq have a right to be angry because we've killed over 10,000 civilians
[10:28] <AlexanderTT> has anyone given thought to my offer of voice chat yet?
[10:28] <Phoenix> They wont be happy tell know one but them live there
[10:28] <mrmagic526> I'd be in for it if I wasn't in school or work at the time
[10:28] <Phoenix> I will take you up for it Alexander, voice, if you wish
[10:28] <AlexanderTT> what I meant was has anyone figured out how to do it
[10:29] <Phoenix> yahoo messenger
[10:29] <mrmagic526> yahoo priviate conference is probably the best way
[10:29] <Phoenix> you can voice chat
[10:29] <AlexanderTT> is it secure?
[10:29] <Phoenix> hee hee
[10:29] <mrmagic526> I doubt it
[10:29] <Phoenix> probably not all that much
[10:29] <mrmagic526> is anything secure on the net?
[10:29] <AlexanderTT> hmm
[10:29] <Phoenix> seems some minds think alike magic

[10:29] <AlexanderTT> i am quite secure right now
[10:29] <mrmagic526> Yes but yahoo and stuff like that are a little more of a challenge.


Time Travel Professor
mIRC Feb. 15, 2004; Alexanders chat thanks to KPAX
Posted by: Professor Opmmur
Session Start: February 15, 08:54, 2004
Session Ident: #TimeTravellersInn

[10:30] <Phoenix> Anyone know of a more secure method for Alexander to voice?
[10:30] <mrmagic526> I'm sure government is monitoring all those places for "terrorist chats and activities" (sarcasm)
[10:30] <PT_Geek> is anything secure other than being inside an empty box with 10 meters-wide titanium walls?
(at least until you run out of air)
[10:30] <Phoenix> hee hee @ PT
[10:31] <Phoenix> Maybe you should talk with your friend about what would be involved in Yahoo chat Alexander
[10:31] <Phoenix> It would be great to hear your voice
[10:31] <mrmagic526> I bet a good game of counterstrike is secure. (it has voice chat in it.) imagine that we could play counterterrorists and terrorist while discussing the future
[10:31] <AlexanderTT> he made reference to a program, I forget the name
[10:31] <AlexanderTT> he has been busy lately
[10:31] <Phoenix> hee hee hee @ magic
[10:32] <Phoenix> magic what is the link to counter strike
[10:32] <Phoenix> it probably isn't a bad idea
[10:32] <mrmagic526> Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
[10:32] <AlexanderTT> counterstrike, I actually might give that a try , everyone here seems to talk about it often
[10:32] <mrmagic526> fun gamee
[10:32] <PT_Geek> you need an original copy of half life

[10:32] <Phoenix> uh oh
[10:32] <mrmagic526> it's the most played multiplayer game on the net
[10:32] <mrmagic526> not anymore
[10:32] <AlexanderTT> i'm sure I could accure anything I need
[10:32] <Phoenix> cool
[10:33] <mrmagic526> you can download it and install it but then they want a payment
[10:33] <Phoenix> well I can't

[10:33] <Phoenix> hmmmm
[10:33] <AlexanderTT> pheonix , do you not live in a file-sharing age?
[10:33] <Phoenix> Hoax Theory: Alexander is actually just a counter strike sales man all along.

[10:34] <Phoenix> yes that is true Alexander
[10:34] <PT_Geek> you need a serial key to connect to the network and those are unique (not to mention I should beat you up for supporting videogame piracy, alex :p)
[10:34] * PT_Geek is a game developer

[10:35] <AlexanderTT> i think the serial key would be not hard to obtain
[10:35] <PT_Geek> you need one that isn't being used
[10:35] <mrmagic526> Plus you could probably get a copy of half life cheap if you had to
[10:35] <Phoenix> Hey, I have bought all the game I owned PT if it makes a difference to you. Oddworld and War Craft II are my favorites
[10:35] <AlexanderTT> once again, I doubt that would be a problem
[10:36] <PT_Geek> phoenix: spent hours with war2 :).
[10:36] <AlexanderTT> if needed I could always purchase, yes
[10:36] <Phoenix> Oh I sure did.

[10:36] <PT_Geek> it was the first game I tried when I got a local network at home
[10:36] <PT_Geek>

[10:36] <PT_Geek> starcraft beats it easily, though
[10:36] <Phoenix> hee hee hee
[10:37] <Phoenix> I haven't tried star craft I probably should
[10:37] <PT_Geek> probably?
[10:37] <PT_Geek> you should
[10:37] <PT_Geek> period
[10:37] <PT_Geek>

[10:37] <Phoenix> Anyways Alex is here, Alex Ecko requested I pose his questions to you
[10:37] <PT_Geek> you can get it really cheap now
[10:37] <PT_Geek> I keep seeing it at 15 euros
[10:37] <PT_Geek>

[10:38] <Phoenix> Many of them you already answered
[10:38] <Phoenix> there are two I am unsure of though
[10:38] <AlexanderTT> ok
[10:38] <Phoenix> let me get them, thank Alex
[10:40] <Phoenix> Um, I don't know if you want to answer this one. I myself consider it an "unwise" question.
[10:40] <Phoenix> 3. What presidents are assassinated?
[10:40] <AlexanderTT> 0352-23264-2466 < would this serial for hal life be sufficent?
[10:40] <PT_Geek> try it and hope nobody's using it

[10:40] <Phoenix> Alex is quick with the credit card

[10:41] <AlexanderTT> actually that is one of three stored in my gps
[10:41] <PT_Geek> you can't all use the same serial, only one connection at a time is supported (which is why most frequent players buy it
[10:41] <AlexanderTT> your right pheonix, that question is not prudent
[10:41] <Phoenix> ok fine
[10:41] <Phoenix> I will explain to him why too
[10:42] <Phoenix> I am pretty sure you said to stay on the move but I will ask this one anyways.
[10:42] <AlexanderTT> i wish to not change the order of very significant events
[10:42] <mrmagic526> CS started out as some college student making a mod for Half LIfe. Sierra saw how successful it was and bought it from them. After all it sold tons of half life copies for them
[10:42] <Phoenix> 4. Would my chances of living be higher if I built my house underground?
[10:43] <AlexanderTT> no, unless it is also mobile
[10:43] <mrmagic526> alright time to get my doublewide.....haa haa haa
[10:43] <Phoenix> Actually this question was the one I could not answer.
[10:43] <AlexanderTT> you will need to leave it unless you are satisfied under government rule
[10:43] <Phoenix> 6. How is the military going to introduce itself into the streets of the U.S.?
[10:43] <Phoenix> I think it is kind of a vague question
[10:44] <AlexanderTT> I dont truly understand that one, does he mean, how gragual is it?
[10:44] <AlexanderTT> gradual
[10:44] <Phoenix> yes, I think that one needed clarification
[10:44] <Phoenix> on his part
[10:45] <AlexanderTT> well, it is not gradual at all, it is almost instantly, and they pronounce over and over that it is for your protection
[10:45] <AlexanderTT> and yes, reserves will be called up
[10:45] <Phoenix> Thank you Alex I believe the rest of the question he asked can be found in the logs of what you already said
[10:45] <Phoenix>

[10:45] <AlexanderTT> any time
[10:46] <Phoenix> Actually I do have one more question.
[10:46] <AlexanderTT> ok, I do have a copy of half-life
[10:46] <Phoenix> Will you be answering the question in the questions for Alexander topic?
[10:47] <AlexanderTT> also unreal tornament and quake three, and theres others two
[10:47] <Phoenix> Alexander is a fast shopper

[10:47] <AlexanderTT> yes, i am finding it more difficult to navigate the forum but I am getting the hang of it
[10:48] <AlexanderTT> neat, you had a game called timesplitters
[10:48] <Phoenix> When you are ready here is the topic people have been directed to ask questions to you.
[10:48] <Phoenix>
[10:49] <AlexanderTT> i am waiting for a time when I can answer them all, I do not want to make people feel missed or left out
[10:49] <Phoenix> ok
[10:49] <AlexanderTT> but I will reply before the awakening starts
[10:49] <Phoenix> ok
[10:50] <AlexanderTT> also I posted a message in "alexander only" thank you by the way for that section
[10:50] <mrmagic526> I didn't like those other games as much as CS. CS is about teamwork and that's what I like. the others claim to have team play but most are only out for themselves in those games
[10:50] <PT_Geek> try America's Army

[10:51] <mrmagic526> Downloaded but never installed yet
[10:51] <mrmagic526> Halo for the PC is good
[10:51] <PT_Geek> it's pretty cool if you're into co-op stuff
[10:51] <AlexanderTT> well what games do you want, I'll look and see if I have it stored
[10:51] <mrmagic526> I have enough
[10:51] <Phoenix> Alex there is a general feeling on the forum that 1) You are a fake. (Big surprise that a Time Traveler is considered a fake). 2) Because your advise is seen as endangering families that you need to be stopped.
[10:51] <mrmagic526> Trying to play less and focus on school more
[10:51] <PT_Geek> mr: do like me, get a job that involves games

[10:52] <AlexanderTT> pheonix, I was also called the spreader of hatred, could you please explain to me why you feel this way?
[10:52] <mrmagic526> I thought about programming and stuff. But I can't stand looking at a computer screen all day. I'm a social person. I need people
[10:52] <mrmagic526> that's why I always until now had sales jobs
[10:52] <PT_Geek> you can be both... become a project manager

[10:53] <AlexanderTT> mrmagic526, are you happy working for pay?
[10:53] <mrmagic526> I'm a computer expert yet I'm not the typical geek. I'm going to school to go into education
[10:53] <mrmagic526> Not really alex
[10:53] <PT_Geek> or try writing for a gaming magazine
[10:53] <AlexanderTT> then why do you do it?
[10:53] <mrmagic526> I want to teach and help people. If I didn't get paid I'd still do it. However in society you need money....
[10:54] <AlexanderTT> no you do not need money, the society creates the need for money, why not change that?
[10:54] <Phoenix> Spreader of hatred? There are times, and I suspect it is because of the effects of being from this time period. Where I get the impression of something dark from the after affects of your message. I don't know that I can explain it. All I can say is that I know the feeling is there.
[10:54] <mrmagic526> a friend of mine called me altruistic (hope I spelled that right) I agree alex the problem is it seems like you have to play the game sometimes to survive
[10:54] <AlexanderTT> something dark?
[10:55] <mrmagic526> i'd love to go back to the barter system
[10:55] <Phoenix> let me think about it
[10:55] <Phoenix> so I can better relate it to you.
[10:55] <AlexanderTT> i have explained to you all about the feeling you have deep down before
[10:56] <mrmagic526> suport call brb
[10:56] <Phoenix> It is strange because I perfectly understand your position, and admire someone who would fight for the constitution under such incredible odds
[10:57] <Phoenix> Any yet, the feeling is there as some sort of afront to America
[10:57] <Phoenix> and what it stands for
[10:57] <Phoenix> none of it makes sense logically
[10:57] <Phoenix> for me to feel it
[10:57] <Phoenix> And I thought it odd and strange
[10:58] <AlexanderTT> billions of you's from other worldlines have already experienced what you are going to, this gives you the "gut" feeling that you cant quite seem to understand, this is what I would call pre-cognition is it exists, you can feel deep down what I am saying is right and you can feel your society heading to warfare
[10:58] <Phoenix> when I saw people say it about John
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[10:59] * H1t|M4n sets mode: +v OmegaKnight
[10:59] <Phoenix> I also sense a feeling a sense of extreme fear of the prospect of needing to learn to survive in the manner you describe
[10:59] <AlexanderTT> that is expected
[10:59] <AlexanderTT> who would willingly want what is going to happen?


Time Travel Professor
mIRC Feb. 15, 2004; Alexanders chat thanks to KPAX
Posted by: Professor Opmmur
Session Start: February 15, 08:54, 2004
Session Ident: #TimeTravellersInn

[11:00] <Phoenix> I no I don't
[11:00] <AlexanderTT> your intelligence will tell you that there must be a peacful way
[11:00] <Phoenix> I can understand your message though
[11:00] <jondz> alex i for one would like to thank for your advices...gott to go have a nice day
[11:00] <AlexanderTT> however your instincts will disagree with that, your instincts of survival
[11:00] <Phoenix> yes
[11:00] <AlexanderTT> good bye jondz
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[11:01] <Phoenix> I also feel what you have talked about two
[11:01] <Phoenix> the sides
[11:01] <Phoenix> the conflict
[11:01] <Phoenix> way before I met you
[11:01] <Phoenix> I felt it
[11:01] <Phoenix> and hated it
[11:01] <AlexanderTT> the sides are already drawn my friend, I can see enemies talking to each other everyday, but it is harder for you to see it
[11:02] <Phoenix> yes it is
[11:03] <Phoenix> I am trying to hope for a way to bring back unity

[11:03] <AlexanderTT> my father, is right now watching the daytona , i hear thousands cheering and screaming love for the president and country, but not all cheer democracy
[11:04] <AlexanderTT> pheonix, what you hope for will happen, unfortunately it must happen after conflict
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[11:04] <Edge25> hi everyone
[11:04] <Phoenix> At least that is a message of hope Alexander

[11:05] <AlexanderTT> i never tried to spread a message of hatred, family is of the greatest importance in my time, and we are all like family, why is this message evil|?
[11:05] <MadIce> I do not agree. Nuclear Holocaust is not hope.
[11:05] <AlexanderTT> nuclear holocaust is not as bad as you think
[11:05] <MadIce> AlexanderTT, may I quote you on that?
[11:06] <AlexanderTT> we discovered this and moved on, it is very possible to survive a nuclear war
[11:06] <Phoenix> Alexander a question John was surprised the people of our time did not ask. And one I still have not seen asked is "How do we solve poverty".
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[11:06] <AlexanderTT> of course MadIce, but remember I do not like being taken out of context
[11:07] <AlexanderTT> do you wish to ask that question now pheonix?
[11:07] <MadIce> I write whatever I like.
[11:08] <Phoenix> Since I have not seen it asked before. I will use it as my one question.
[11:08] <AlexanderTT> ok...
[11:08] <AlexanderTT> there is no longer the sickening selfishness in our society, we do not want to have the biggest and best things on the block so to speak
[11:09] <AlexanderTT> money is not an issue, a mans worth is not measured by intelligence, or strength
[11:09] <AlexanderTT> also what material possesions he owns does not matter
[11:10] <AlexanderTT> if you contribute to the well being of your community and in turn the well being of society you are taken care fo
[11:10] <AlexanderTT> there is no rich , greedy , or power hungry anymore
[11:11] <AlexanderTT> we all get our fare share, however if you do not contribute, you are punished
[11:11] <Edge25> how are you punished?
[11:11] <AlexanderTT> we learned to equally divide our wealth amongst ourselves
[11:12] <AlexanderTT> it depends Edge25, you could be put to death, capitol punishment is not looked down upon
[11:12] <AlexanderTT> however most are cast out for a week, and given a second chance
[11:12] <AlexanderTT> the exact punishment is decided by vote of the community
[11:12] <OmegaKnight> Is it like this all over the world? Or just in the US?
[11:12] <Edge25> is capital punishment now common in Europe?
[11:13] <Edge25> beat me to it Omega
[11:13] <OmegaKnight> haa haa haa
[11:13] <AlexanderTT> the world
[11:13] <Phoenix> Thank you Axelander for your answer.
[11:13] <AlexanderTT> except for certain places
[11:13] <AlexanderTT> civilized world I should say
[11:13] <AlexanderTT> any time phoenix, and I would love to talk more about it whenever you wish
[11:13] <Phoenix>

[11:14] <AlexanderTT> i am proud of where I am from and what we have become
[11:14] <Edge25> which countries are not considered part of the civilised world?
[11:14] <AlexanderTT> most of them are in africa
[11:14] <AlexanderTT> but we are trying our best to help them
[11:14] <Phoenix> You should be Alex, there is much to be proud of
[11:15] <AlexanderTT> money is only used as a concept to decide the worth of traded goods and services, we do not "buy" things anymore
[11:16] <Edge25> does the UK join the Euro currency?
[11:16] <Phoenix> How do you go about getting "groceries"?
[11:16] <AlexanderTT> if we give goods to a country , they are expected to repay the same value, however if they do not due to not being able to , there is no debt
[11:17] <AlexanderTT> we have markets, this is our form of grocery stores, and there is no check out line
[11:17] <Phoenix> The farmers are taken care of as is everyone else who contributes
[11:17] <AlexanderTT> those who contribute to society are allowed to get what they need, there is no desire to get more than your fare share
[11:17] <Phoenix> Are there artists?
[11:18] <AlexanderTT> yes of course
[11:18] <AlexanderTT> musicians, painters etc...
[11:18] <Phoenix> Strictly as a profession
[11:18] <Phoenix>

[11:18] <Phoenix> I like that concept
[11:18] <AlexanderTT> no, everyone contributes on multiple levels
[11:18] <Phoenix> It makes things seem not so bad after all
[11:18] <Edge25> Alex - do the UK join the Euro currency?
[11:18] <AlexanderTT> there is no set job
[11:19] <Phoenix> Teachers?

[11:19] <Phoenix> Math Teachers, hee hee?
[11:19] <AlexanderTT> the euro still exist, for market purposes, however "wall street" is not anything you would be able to draw similarities to in your time
[11:20] <AlexanderTT> yes, but most teaching is done by your parents
[11:20] <Phoenix> ok
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[11:20] <OmegaKnight> So no schools?
[11:20] <AlexanderTT> school is not required, but it is desired
[11:20] <Phoenix> What is a school like?
[11:20] <AlexanderTT> we have schools, ans forts, or universities
[11:20] <Phoenix> ok
[11:21] <AlexanderTT> school is what you make it, you study at your own pace in your own time
[11:21] <Phoenix>

[11:21] <AlexanderTT> there is no classes as you would see them
[11:21] <Phoenix> More hope from the future
[11:21] <Phoenix> hee hee
[11:21] <Phoenix>

[11:21] <Edge25> is there still a class system in your time? i.e. working class, middle class?
[11:22] <AlexanderTT> no !!!!! not at all and such concepts are looked down upon for even speaking of them
[11:22] <Phoenix> Rightly so Alex
[11:22] <AlexanderTT> we are all human beings
[11:22] <Phoenix> We all work and contribute
[11:22] <Edge25> absolutely
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[11:23] <Jovial_Ki> hey
[11:23] <Phoenix> This might sound like a dumb question, but how are bath tubs in your time?
[11:23] <Phoenix> hi Kitty

[11:24] <AlexanderTT> i can understand your worry about how we got to where we are, and I only wish for you to have insight, in the case that you might die during the war, remember in your last breath that you did not die in vain
[11:24] <Phoenix> I shall
[11:25] <AlexanderTT> we mostly use bath houses pheonix, it is rare for someone to bath at home, due to water being still valuable
[11:25] <AlexanderTT> we recycle our bath water
[11:25] <Phoenix> I undertsand
[11:25] <Edge25> what kind of rules are there regarding time travel?
[11:26] <AlexanderTT> very little
[11:26] <Phoenix> How is food preserved?
[11:26] <AlexanderTT> but then again, you wouldnt have rules for driving now if everyone was considerate of each other and was safe
[11:27] <AlexanderTT> we still have the same technology you do pheonix, but most of our food is fresh from the garden
[11:27] <Edge25> are cars still the most preferred mode of transport?
[11:27] <Phoenix> lovely, fresh from garden, ummm, the scents that must give
[11:27] <AlexanderTT> if you want meat, you either kill it yourself or eat at a friends house who did
[11:27] <exo`sleep> are there still BMW's.. Ferrari's... Infinity's... etc?
[11:28] <Phoenix> Game meat is good meat
[11:28] <AlexanderTT> yes left over
[11:28] <AlexanderTT> we also have farmers who raise cows if you want beef
[11:28] <AlexanderTT> our food preperation laws are very very strict
[11:28] <Phoenix> No mad ciw stuff left over?
[11:28] <AlexanderTT> we have it under control now
[11:28] <Phoenix> ok
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[11:29] <Phoenix> Are crows good to eat? There are a lot of them where I live.
[11:29] * MadIce sets mode: +o Opmmur
[11:29] <AlexanderTT> i wouldnt call them good
[11:29] <AlexanderTT> but edible


Time Travel Professor
mIRC Feb. 15, 2004; Alexanders chat thanks to KPAX
Posted by: Professor Opmmur
Session Start: February 15, 08:54, 2004
Session Ident: #TimeTravellersInn

[11:30] <Phoenix> Do you know what plants are good to eat in Southern California
[11:30] <AlexanderTT> no im sorry
[11:30] <Phoenix> What plants did you live off of where you are from?
[11:31] <AlexanderTT> rarely did we eat plants, however tree bark was used as last resort, also maple trees were tapped to get syrup
[11:31] <AlexanderTT> it is difficult to find rare plants that are safe
[11:31] <Phoenix> What did your diet consist of?
[11:31] <AlexanderTT> we attempted constantly to start gardens though
[11:31] <Jovial_Ki> ew. tree bark?
[11:31] * Opmmur sets mode: +o AlexanderTT
[11:31] <Jovial_Ki> talk about getting your fiber:/
[11:32] <Opmmur> Hi AlexanderTT
[11:32] <Phoenix> Being on the move I imagine gardens were very hard.
[11:32] * Opmmur sets mode: +o Phoenix
[11:32] <AlexanderTT> our diet consisted of what we could get, meat was the first choice, but sometimes it cannot be found or you are low on ammo, then of course we would take drastic measure
[11:32] <AlexanderTT> yes gardens were extremely hard
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[11:33] <Phoenix> What seeds worked best when they did work for you?
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[11:33] <AlexanderTT> we would start them hoping to come back to them at later times
[11:33] <Jovial_Ki> welcome gearbrains:)
[11:33] <GearBrains> hey jovial
[11:33] <AlexanderTT> i'll tell you this, corn was impossible to grow without being able to tend to it constantly
[11:34] <Phoenix> ok
[11:34] <AlexanderTT> apple trees worked best
[11:34] <Phoenix> cool
[11:34] <Phoenix> Any nut trees worked good?
[11:34] <AlexanderTT> watermelons could grow in the wild without any help, we would plant them and mark the area for others coming through
[11:35] <AlexanderTT> pecan trees are already highly grown in alabama, we would come across those often, but 50 men can pick one clean in about 30 minutes
[11:35] <AlexanderTT> deer was hunted as first choice of course
[11:35] <Phoenix> How large were the groups of people you moved with?
[11:36] <AlexanderTT> they varied, but consistently got larger
[11:36] <AlexanderTT> as we got more organized
[11:36] <Opmmur> Alexander any words on Mad Cow form now until your time, like what happens over the next 30 years or so.
[11:37] <AlexanderTT> the largest I saw was the battle of fort AU
[11:37] <AlexanderTT> mad cow is steadily getting worse right now and it is intentionally being ignored
[11:37] <AlexanderTT> you will all see this soon
[11:37] <Phoenix> Was there a easy way to tell friend from foe?
[11:38] <PT_Geek> see who's shooting at you

[11:38] <AlexanderTT> not at first, but yes later on, we would know , such details i do not want to give out
[11:38] <Phoenix> that is why I was hesitant to ask, I don't want you giving it out
[11:39] <AlexanderTT> spies and espionage was a major problem, but of course we had our own spies as well:)
[11:39] <Phoenix> Why am I having a hard time seeing the sides now?
[11:39] <AlexanderTT> also a quick bit of advice, if you know of a spy do not let him know you know, feed him wrong information
[11:40] <AlexanderTT> because you are not in the middle of batle with the people you see everyday Phoenix
[11:40] <Phoenix> ok
[11:42] <Phoenix> I am done looking foolish in other people's eyes for today. Thank you for all the questions you have answered for me Alexander.

[11:42] <Phoenix> Bye every one

[11:42] <AlexanderTT> amazingly, sometimes I wish to go back to the war, and be with the ones that were truly my family, this is a common feeling for all of us who lived through it
[11:42] <Edge25> Alex - imagine you are given a history essay entitled - 'what was the most important cause of the US civil war in 2005?' what would your (short) answer be?
[11:42] <AlexanderTT> good bye my friend
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[11:45] <Edge25> back in a minute
[11:45] <AlexanderTT> the cause of the civil war started as American support for the middle eastern allies fell.This is combination with the steady and growing greed of the American politicians allowed terrorists attacks to be used as an excuse for hightened security.As half of the American people were content with martial law, another percentage decided to strike back.After the first shots were fired by the now known Constitutionalist war was unavoidable
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[11:47] <AlexanderTT> should I copy and paste my answer?
[11:47] <Edge25> yes please
[11:47] <Edge25> sorry i had to lof off for a minute
[11:47] <Edge25> *log
[11:48] <Edge25> are you talking to me Hitman?
[11:48] <AlexanderTT> the cause of the civil war started as American support for the middle eastern allies fell.This is combination with the steady and growing greed of the American politicians allowed terrorists attacks to be used as an excuse for hightened security.As half of the American people were content with martial law, another percentage decided to strike back.After the first shots were fired by the now known Constitutionalist war was unavoidable
[11:48] <Edge25> ok, thanks Alex
[11:48] <AlexanderTT> theres a lot more to it of course but that is what I would call a short summary
[11:50] <AlexanderTT> well I must be going now, I look forward to talking to you all again
[11:50] <AlexanderTT> good bye everyone
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[11:50] <Opmmur> Thank You Alexander


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Alex says that Frank must be dealt with. This reminds me of the time travel movie Donnie Darko (2001) in which a guy named Frank dressed in a bunny costume, kills Donnie's girlfriend. Donnie goes back in time and shoots Frank in the eye and kills him before Frank can do the accidental deed.