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Judge Bean

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?A century before the Roman Republic perished, two brothers, the Gracchi, emerged as popular leaders who were determined to check the corruption by wealth of the city?s institutions. They were both killed. The murderers, who were never punished, came from the senatorial class which had felt threatened by the brothers? reforms.

?The institutions of the city were preserved. Rome, however, was ceasing to be just a political city; it was becoming an empire for which civic institutions were ill-adapted. Its armies cut wider and wider swaths around the Mediterranean; their conquests impressed more and more men and resources into the armies, which became the real source of power. Eventually the generals (imperatores) became accustomed to occupying Rome as well as foreign cities.

?Even after the imperator Augustus took up permanent residence in Rome, the Senate continued to meet. Tribunes and consuls were elected. Historians wrote about decadence, and moralists vowed to revive the old family virtues. A class accustomed to participate in civic institutions continued to do just that and no more, for generations. People found it preferable to ignore the fact that real power had migrated out of these institutions, into an imperial regime, the armies and the courts of the army commanders. The self-respect of the senatorial classes depended on this denial.

?I do not wish to make too much of this cliched analogy, only to draw attention to the social function of denial in masking political change. We still talk of an America of constitutional government. But in crisis after crisis the real power centers turn out to be institutions like the CIA, or the National Security Council, which the Constitution never contemplated and arguably cannot survive.?

(Peter Dale Scott, Deep Politics and the Death of JFK, 313; emphasis added)

Who was the mother of the Gracchi? Cornelia.
 

StarLord

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A most amazing cylce. How many years exactly, any Idea?

I don't suspose there were any real Romans back then either. But, that's progress for you.
 

Judge Bean

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Originally posted by StarLord@Sep 2 2004, 07:19 PM
A most amazing cylce. How many years exactly, any Idea?

I don't suspose there were any real Romans back then either. But, that's progress for you.

We are all the sons of Cornelia.

Not sure what the span was from Augustus to Constantine-- 3 or 400 years?
 

StarLord

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Hmmm, not me, My ancestors were the reason the Romans built that wall in Britan. Our family never got to share that wolf milk. Romulus and Remus wasn't it?
 

Judge Bean

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Originally posted by Cornelia@Sep 2 2004, 10:24 PM
Everything began with Cornelia and ended with August. :cry:

Is that our August?

Is it true that if you have a republic run by the military, it ceases to be a republic and there are no more politics?

What do we do now?
 

Judge Bean

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Originally posted by StarLord@Sep 2 2004, 09:00 PM
Hmmm, not me, My ancestors were the reason the Romans built that wall in Britan. Our family never got to share that wolf milk. Romulus and Remus wasn't it?

Ronald and Reagan, the twins what founded Rome?
 

Judge Bean

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When the Coalition of the Willing wars against the Axis of Evil, as in the past when the Free World battled the Evil Empire, and built the Star Wars defense, and we all bury our collateral damage, all will be well again and we'll never have to think or vote evermore.
 

StarLord

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Yup, at least in this incarnation anyway. For those of us that did very good, we may not have to come back here to see the real Soilent Green, as the oceans fail along with the air that you can barely breath.
 

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