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<blockquote data-quote="Einstein" data-source="post: 79400" data-attributes="member: 288"><p>Ayasano</p><p></p><p>I agree with you that we are butting heads. It may just be in our nature on the way we view the world.</p><p></p><p>The reason I don't agree with the theories of motion we are taught in school, is because none of it is verifiable.</p><p></p><p>If it was verifiable, it wouldn't be a theory anymore. </p><p></p><p>Why aren't we taught facts instead about our reality?</p><p></p><p>It's almost like someone doesn't want us to look at the facts. So if you don't want me to look at the facts, you better have a good reason. No reason was ever given. In fact, a fact based physics and math based option was never even suggested. Those classes aren't available in school.</p><p></p><p>Of course this sparks my curiosity. Are they trying to hide something? Why so much effort to explain away centrifugal force?</p><p></p><p>So in my efforts in trying to find out what is being hidden, I discover there seems to be a distinct lack of any understanding concerning weight. </p><p></p><p>But easily verifiable direct observation shows 3 kinds of weight exist. Inertial weight, gravitational weight, centrifugal weight. Kind of looks like jigsaw puzzle pieces to me. Two of the pieces are very similar to electromagnetic charge theory. Plus and minus charge, versus plus and minus weight. </p><p></p><p>The observable facts seem to be easier to understand than the warped theoretical explanations given. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Let me state this as fact. Centrifugal force exists only as long as a connection to the center of rotation exists. With a bucket of water spinning around you, the connection would be a rope. We aren't talking about acceleration. Just the outward direction of weight the bucket of water develops. The water stays in the bucket.</p><p></p><p>Now the same thing happens with the car accelerating down the road. It doesn't have to be accelerating. But it does have to have some speed relative to the road. Take a look at the bigger picture. The earth is round. If that road runs completely around the earth, then the car is moving in a big circle. Just like the bucket of water. The faster the car goes, the more centrifugal force, or upward weight, will accumulate. That weight will cancel any downward weight it has. So gradually as the car goes faster and faster, it gets lighter. Up until it becomes weightless. At which time the car would probably leave the earth. I believe that is called escape velocity. Rockets use this same technique to get into orbit. Now of course this is just a thought experiment. The car would have burned up due to atmospheric friction probably before it ever gained enough centrifugal weight to cancel out its gravitational weight.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You speak as if you have never been in a car. Find someone with a sports car to demonstrate that you do indeed feel the presence of weight when accelerating or making a high speed turn.</p><p></p><p>A buddy of mine did this to me. He had a souped up 65 mustang. We were at a stop sign. He put a twenty dollar bill on the dash. He said if I could grab the bill by the time he got the car to the next intersection, the bill was mine to keep. He put the pedal to the metal. I tried to get the twenty dollar bill. I couldn't do it. My arms felt like lead weights. He made it to the next intersection, accelerating all the way. So yes, the presence of weight does exist during an inertial acceleration. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not my misunderstanding. I aced all my math classes in school. I aced my physics courses too. </p><p></p><p>I was just trying to get you to realize there is an easier way to comprehend torque which leads to a better understanding of rotational dynamics. The choice is yours to make.</p><p></p><p>By the way. Thanks for a very enlightening discussion. I love talking about this stuff.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Einstein, post: 79400, member: 288"] Ayasano I agree with you that we are butting heads. It may just be in our nature on the way we view the world. The reason I don't agree with the theories of motion we are taught in school, is because none of it is verifiable. If it was verifiable, it wouldn't be a theory anymore. Why aren't we taught facts instead about our reality? It's almost like someone doesn't want us to look at the facts. So if you don't want me to look at the facts, you better have a good reason. No reason was ever given. In fact, a fact based physics and math based option was never even suggested. Those classes aren't available in school. Of course this sparks my curiosity. Are they trying to hide something? Why so much effort to explain away centrifugal force? So in my efforts in trying to find out what is being hidden, I discover there seems to be a distinct lack of any understanding concerning weight. But easily verifiable direct observation shows 3 kinds of weight exist. Inertial weight, gravitational weight, centrifugal weight. Kind of looks like jigsaw puzzle pieces to me. Two of the pieces are very similar to electromagnetic charge theory. Plus and minus charge, versus plus and minus weight. The observable facts seem to be easier to understand than the warped theoretical explanations given. Let me state this as fact. Centrifugal force exists only as long as a connection to the center of rotation exists. With a bucket of water spinning around you, the connection would be a rope. We aren't talking about acceleration. Just the outward direction of weight the bucket of water develops. The water stays in the bucket. Now the same thing happens with the car accelerating down the road. It doesn't have to be accelerating. But it does have to have some speed relative to the road. Take a look at the bigger picture. The earth is round. If that road runs completely around the earth, then the car is moving in a big circle. Just like the bucket of water. The faster the car goes, the more centrifugal force, or upward weight, will accumulate. That weight will cancel any downward weight it has. So gradually as the car goes faster and faster, it gets lighter. Up until it becomes weightless. At which time the car would probably leave the earth. I believe that is called escape velocity. Rockets use this same technique to get into orbit. Now of course this is just a thought experiment. The car would have burned up due to atmospheric friction probably before it ever gained enough centrifugal weight to cancel out its gravitational weight. You speak as if you have never been in a car. Find someone with a sports car to demonstrate that you do indeed feel the presence of weight when accelerating or making a high speed turn. A buddy of mine did this to me. He had a souped up 65 mustang. We were at a stop sign. He put a twenty dollar bill on the dash. He said if I could grab the bill by the time he got the car to the next intersection, the bill was mine to keep. He put the pedal to the metal. I tried to get the twenty dollar bill. I couldn't do it. My arms felt like lead weights. He made it to the next intersection, accelerating all the way. So yes, the presence of weight does exist during an inertial acceleration. It's not my misunderstanding. I aced all my math classes in school. I aced my physics courses too. I was just trying to get you to realize there is an easier way to comprehend torque which leads to a better understanding of rotational dynamics. The choice is yours to make. By the way. Thanks for a very enlightening discussion. I love talking about this stuff. [/QUOTE]
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