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<blockquote data-quote="Phoenix" data-source="post: 232045" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>[ATTACH=full]17491[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20041104020353/http://www.timetravelforum.net:80/forums/index.php?showtopic=788" target="_blank">The Time Travel Forum</a></p><p></p><p>[SPOILER="Text-only version"]</p><p>The Time Travel Forum! The largest time travel discussion board on the Internet. Free Memberships!</p><p>IPB</p><p>TTF RulesTime Travel Library</p><p>Gallery Member Map HelpSearchMembersCalendarLive Chat BLOGStorePortal</p><p></p><p>Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )</p><p></p><p>> The Time Travel Forum > Time Travelers > Ones you have read about > John Titor</p><p>Collapse</p><p>> Site Affiliates</p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>9 Pages 1 2 3 > » Reply to this topicStart new topicStart Poll</p><p>Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+</p><p>> JT Foundation/Oliver Williams Research, Moved from "Are you Afraid"</p><p></p><p>Track this topic | Email this topic | Print this topic</p><p>virtualgirl post Sep 17 2004, 08:37 PM</p><p>Post #1</p><p></p><p></p><p>Pythagoras</p><p>*</p><p></p><p>Group: Members</p><p>Posts: 34</p><p>Joined: 17-September 04</p><p>From: Texas</p><p>Member No.: 254</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Since I heard about JT, I have been researching everyone involved. So far, I haven't found anything that would prove the story a hoax. In fact, the attorney that started the corporation for the JT foundations father in law is the commander of the Florida National Guard. I think they would have too much to lose to produce a hoax. The book is not copyrighted so that is a dead end. Still working on it, not to be cruel in anyway. I am just searching for the truth. I suppose we should all be prepared in any event. I also have teenagers to think about. Look at it like this, if nothing happens, nothing is lost. You can always use your supplies. Anyway, please don't think bad of me for the research. I am just compelled to do it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>User is offlineProfile CardPM Go to the top of the page</p><p>+Quote Post</p><p>TheOrangeMan post Sep 17 2004, 10:09 PM</p><p>Post #2</p><p></p><p></p><p>Forever Orange</p><p>*</p><p></p><p>Group: Members</p><p>Posts: 43</p><p>Joined: 7-September 04</p><p>Member No.: 230</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>where did you get in information concerning the attoney's father? I think it's great someone looked into it.</p><p>User is offlineProfile CardPM Go to the top of the page</p><p>+Quote Post</p><p>Snow Fire Watches post Sep 18 2004, 01:14 AM</p><p>Post #3</p><p></p><p></p><p>Official Grandma and High Priestess</p><p>Group Icon</p><p></p><p>Group: Temporal Clergy</p><p>Posts: 350</p><p>Joined: 22-June 04</p><p>Member No.: 57</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>QUOTE(virtualgirl @ Sep 17 2004, 08:37 PM)</p><p>Since I heard about JT, I have been researching everyone involved. So far, I haven't found anything that would prove the story a hoax. In fact, the attorney that started the corporation for the JT foundations father in law is the commander of the Florida National Guard. I think they would have too much to lose to produce a hoax. The book is not copyrighted so that is a dead end. Still working on it, not to be cruel in anyway. I am just searching for the truth. I suppose we should all be prepared in any event. I also have teenagers to think about. Look at it like this, if nothing happens, nothing is lost. You can always use your supplies. Anyway, please don't think bad of me for the research. I am just compelled to do it.</p><p>*</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>First of all, Welcome. ><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite45" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /><</p><p></p><p>Think bad of you for research? I'd have to check around but I'm PRETTY SURE research is respected here! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite39" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> Even those of us who tend toward believing (ok ok I admit it - I believe) really just want the truth. Many of us here have read all the debunks and still don't think JT has been proved a hoax, so you are definately not alone. Only time will tell. Hoax or not - things are going his way.</p><p></p><p>Maybe I am behind in reading up, or perhaps you have come up with something new. Would you care to share your research about the father of the attorney for the foundation?</p><p></p><p>From the edge or maybe a little beyond . . .</p><p></p><p>Snow Fire Watches</p><p></p><p></p><p>User is online!Profile CardPM Go to the top of the page</p><p>+Quote Post</p><p>Phoenix post Sep 18 2004, 09:41 PM</p><p>Post #4</p><p></p><p></p><p>Voltaire</p><p>*****</p><p></p><p>Group: Banned</p><p>Posts: 817</p><p>Joined: 26-June 04</p><p>Member No.: 2</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>QUOTE(virtualgirl @ Sep 17 2004, 08:37 PM)</p><p>Since I heard about JT, I have been researching everyone involved. So far, I haven't found anything that would prove the story a hoax. In fact, the attorney that started the corporation for the JT foundations father in law is the commander of the Florida National Guard. I think they would have too much to lose to produce a hoax. The book is not copyrighted so that is a dead end. Still working on it, not to be cruel in anyway. I am just searching for the truth. I suppose we should all be prepared in any event. I also have teenagers to think about. Look at it like this, if nothing happens, nothing is lost. You can always use your supplies. Anyway, please don't think bad of me for the research. I am just compelled to do it.</p><p>*</p><p></p><p></p><p>Welcome to the time travel forum virtual girl. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite38" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>User is offlineProfile CardPM Go to the top of the page</p><p>+Quote Post</p><p>Paul J. Lyon post Sep 20 2004, 11:34 AM</p><p>Post #5</p><p></p><p></p><p>Col. of Unorganized Militia and Pope of the World</p><p>Group Icon</p><p></p><p>Group: Temporal Clergy</p><p>Posts: 866</p><p>Joined: 16-June 04</p><p>From: Fresno, California</p><p>Member No.: 42</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Look for the middle ground; truth is usually there in a puddle. Don't fall for the fallacy that something like Titor must be completely true or completely a hoax. He deals in "fake truth," or disinformation. If "he" came to 2000 in a time machine, he didn't post a picture of it, he posted a picture of a fake time machine. To find the truth, find the character, find his motive.</p><p>User is offlineProfile CardPM Go to the top of the page</p><p>+Quote Post</p><p>virtualgirl post Sep 20 2004, 09:19 PM</p><p>Post #6</p><p></p><p></p><p>Pythagoras</p><p>*</p><p></p><p>Group: Members</p><p>Posts: 34</p><p>Joined: 17-September 04</p><p>From: Texas</p><p>Member No.: 254</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>First of all, thank you all for welcoming me here!!!! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite45" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> How did I get my information....well, I have access to research alot of records....When I ran the lawyers license (this was legal by the way) I checked for anyone at the same address. There was him, his wife and two other people with the same name as the wife's maiden name. Then I ran a check on the father (Emmett R. Titshaw) and found the Air National Guard stuff. Also, I looked up the copyright in D.C. and there was no copyright for that book title. I also pulled up the bar association and Haber is in good standing. I also ran a search on all the property he owned to look for connections. And then I sent an email to Oliver Williams form JT.com to see how he figures into this. As of today, he has not responded. I did however find an Oliver Williams (JT editor) that is incarcerated in the Florida State Prison. And when I ran the partial VIN on the insurance paper that's on the web, one of the vehicles came up as a 1987 Chevy truck that belongs to the Florida State Prison. Maybe I'm reading too much into this. What do you guys think. Too bad I'm in Texas. I would have all ><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite45" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" />< kinds of dirt.</p><p>User is offlineProfile CardPM Go to the top of the page</p><p>+Quote Post</p><p>Paul J. Lyon post Sep 21 2004, 10:44 AM</p><p>Post #7</p><p></p><p></p><p>Col. of Unorganized Militia and Pope of the World</p><p>Group Icon</p><p></p><p>Group: Temporal Clergy</p><p>Posts: 866</p><p>Joined: 16-June 04</p><p>From: Fresno, California</p><p>Member No.: 42</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>QUOTE(virtualgirl @ Sep 21 2004, 03:19 AM)</p><p>First of all, thank you all for welcoming me here!!!! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite45" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> How did I get my information....well, I have access to research alot of records....When I ran the lawyers license (this was legal by the way) I checked for anyone at the same address. There was him, his wife and two other people with the same name as the wife's maiden name. Then I ran a check on the father (Emmett R. Titshaw) and found the Air National Guard stuff. Also, I looked up the copyright in D.C. and there was no copyright for that book title. I also pulled up the bar association and Haber is in good standing. I also ran a search on all the property he owned to look for connections. And then I sent an email to Oliver Williams form JT.com to see how he figures into this. As of today, he has not responded. I did however find an Oliver Williams (JT editor) that is incarcerated in the Florida State Prison. And when I ran the partial VIN on the insurance paper that's on the web, one of the vehicles came up as a 1987 Chevy truck that belongs to the Florida State Prison. Maybe I'm reading too much into this. What do you guys think. Too bad I'm in Texas. I would have all ><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite45" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" />< kinds of dirt.</p><p>*</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Is that the same truck?</p><p></p><p>This research is magnificent.</p><p></p><p>My first thought is that you have possibly named the cohorts of the Titor Committee that I suspect wrote the posts. I looked up Haber once, and even posted all of his public domain bar information, but it was deleted by the Administrator. He is listed as an "entertainment" lawyer in Celebration, Fla. (the Disney fake town).</p><p></p><p>I suspect that the militia stuff and Constitutionalist stuff comes from Titshaw. Also, if you put the first syllable of his and the last syllable of Haber's name together, you get "Titer."</p><p>User is offlineProfile CardPM Go to the top of the page</p><p>+Quote Post</p><p>CaryP post Sep 21 2004, 10:51 AM</p><p>Post #8</p><p></p><p></p><p>Keep smiling, it get's a lot worse from here.</p><p>Group Icon</p><p></p><p>Group: Ragin' Cajun</p><p>Posts: 869</p><p>Joined: 15-June 04</p><p>From: Louisiana</p><p>Member No.: 33</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No kidding Paul. Great tie in of Titshaw's and Haber's names. Virtualgirl, excellent work and welcome to the plantation. I'm glad you're not in Louisiana.</p><p></p><p>Cary</p><p>User is offlineProfile CardPM Go to the top of the page</p><p>+Quote Post</p><p>Paul J. Lyon post Sep 21 2004, 01:14 PM</p><p>Post #9</p><p></p><p></p><p>Col. of Unorganized Militia and Pope of the World</p><p>Group Icon</p><p></p><p>Group: Temporal Clergy</p><p>Posts: 866</p><p>Joined: 16-June 04</p><p>From: Fresno, California</p><p>Member No.: 42</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Also, I believe that prison inmates are not allowed to use the internet, which means that Williams had to have relied heavily on the family there to work on any of this stuff, and had a lot of time on his hands to cook up apocalyptic scenarios.</p><p></p><p>There was something about Titor's "it's always a bad day when you can't get any good water" type writing style that did ring an old bell with me. I spent a lot of time with prisoners in the late 1980s, doing appeals, and learned their language. There's a strong flavor of it in Titor's work.</p><p>User is offlineProfile CardPM Go to the top of the page</p><p>+Quote Post</p><p>StarLord post Sep 21 2004, 01:44 PM</p><p>Post #10</p><p></p><p></p><p>Lord of Time & Space,Grand Vizier Of The Sidhee</p><p>Group Icon</p><p></p><p>Group: Lord of Time and Space</p><p>Posts: 887</p><p>Joined: 17-June 04</p><p>Member No.: 44</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>One would have LOTS of time writing from that spot, lots of time with no distractions, 'cept where the soap went, plenty of time to make notes and back track on those notes for errors.</p><p></p><p>I wonder, is that area full of semi spiritual anti govermental Survivalist?</p><p></p><p>Not the prison of course.</p><p></p><p>Great Call virtual girl.</p><p>User is offlineProfile CardPM Go to the top of the page</p><p>+Quote Post</p><p>Paul J. Lyon post Sep 21 2004, 01:48 PM</p><p>Post #11</p><p></p><p></p><p>Col. of Unorganized Militia and Pope of the World</p><p>Group Icon</p><p></p><p>Group: Temporal Clergy</p><p>Posts: 866</p><p>Joined: 16-June 04</p><p>From: Fresno, California</p><p>Member No.: 42</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There's also that "me against the world" thing, the paramilitary life of an inmate, and being forced to fall back on fundamental "values." Almost everything I can come up with about this evokes both Titor and the voice of a prison inmate to me.</p><p></p><p>It surprises me that I hadn't noticed this before. Self-reliance, truck farming, spare religion, simple food, and the willingness to accept the mass destruction of the "outside world" and its people. Everything fits.</p><p></p><p>This post has been edited by Paul J. Lyon: Sep 21 2004, 01:51 PM</p><p>User is offlineProfile CardPM Go to the top of the page</p><p>+Quote Post</p><p>StarLord post Sep 21 2004, 02:07 PM</p><p>Post #12</p><p></p><p></p><p>Lord of Time & Space,Grand Vizier Of The Sidhee</p><p>Group Icon</p><p></p><p>Group: Lord of Time and Space</p><p>Posts: 887</p><p>Joined: 17-June 04</p><p>Member No.: 44</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Great thinking All you guys!! You found the thing we were NOT looking for or at.</p><p></p><p>I can see it now, FLASH Titor an Inmate!, Traped in time, doing time, got alota time, gotta dime?</p><p>User is offlineProfile CardPM Go to the top of the page</p><p>+Quote Post</p><p>Snow Fire Watches post Sep 21 2004, 02:57 PM</p><p>Post #13</p><p></p><p></p><p>Official Grandma and High Priestess</p><p>Group Icon</p><p></p><p>Group: Temporal Clergy</p><p>Posts: 350</p><p>Joined: 22-June 04</p><p>Member No.: 57</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>OK you guys are moving a little fast for me.</p><p></p><p>Oliver Williams, who did the johntitor.com site and the Coast to Coast radio interview may or may not be a prison inmate. Oliver Williams of johntitor.com definately has computer access and the ability to spend 4 midnight hours on the phone and radio just in early August, 2004. John Titor had computer access and the ability to answer posts immediately and access to a fax machine. Paint me a clearer picture of what you are suggesting happened here.</p><p></p><p>I'm beside myself with the excitement of the new evidence and incredibly impressed that one of our members has found some new puzzle pieces that have not been on the table before. I can't say how thrilled I am that we have someone with the desire and the ability and the tools to do these kinds of searches on our team! Virtualgirl you have done an awesome job bringing something new to the table.</p><p></p><p>But come on you guys - you just load it all up on the hoax-wagon and start tromping through town like you have solved the big mystery. Have you? Please prove it.</p><p></p><p>From the edge or maybe a little beyond . . .</p><p></p><p>SFW</p><p>User is online!Profile CardPM Go to the top of the page</p><p>+Quote Post</p><p>Cornelia post Sep 21 2004, 03:40 PM</p><p>Post #14</p><p></p><p></p><p>TTer from GMT +1</p><p>***</p><p></p><p>Group: Elder</p><p>Posts: 209</p><p>Joined: 14-June 04</p><p>From: Europe</p><p>Member No.: 21</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hey Snow, men love to solve problems quickly! That's why they jump on the hoax wagon so fast! :lol:</p><p></p><p>Anyway, we must:</p><p>-be sure he is the same Oliver Williams</p><p>-be sure that Oliver Williams was in prison on November 2000</p><p></p><p>Also, from what I understood she was doing her lawyer training while reasearching. We have respected lawyers here: would the Pope graciously conduct the same research? I can't believe a student has access to resources the Pope don't!</p><p></p><p>More: can an inmate have access to the insurance paper of the prison truck? Maybe in Italy it could happen :lol: but in USA I don't think so. I don't know if in your country the inmates can get those special projects in which they work for the prison office or something like that. If it's possible, then he could have had access to papers, the Internet and a fax.</p><p>User is offlineProfile CardPM Go to the top of the page</p><p>+Quote Post</p><p>virtualgirl post Sep 21 2004, 07:15 PM</p><p>Post #15</p><p></p><p></p><p>Pythagoras</p><p>*</p><p></p><p>Group: Members</p><p>Posts: 34</p><p>Joined: 17-September 04</p><p>From: Texas</p><p>Member No.: 254</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Guys,</p><p></p><p>Gracias'!! I do my best.....Now don't get me wrong about Oliver Williams. It still could not be the editor. The info just fits. All the stuff on Haber, I'm sure of. Then again, it could just be alot of coincidences. I'll keep researching. The only reason I'm sure on the lawyer is because I have the drivers license on the whole family as well as all their property records. One thing I need to check on is the corporation papers. They say that Haber is the acting agent but doesn't say who he represents. Also, I thought corporations had to at least have 2 members but he is the only one on them. Maybe that's only on L.L.C. And don't worry Cary. I'm not dangerous. I'm really very loveable when you get to know me. :flirt: I just want to know the truth. Part of me wants to believe, and he almost had me. I mean we still have to consider that Hawkings changed his findings after the posts so I don't know. I emailed Williams and asked him how he fits in. I told him if it's him, to fess up and I'll back off but if there is no reply and I find out that it is him, I'm going to blow it wide open. He still hasn't replied and it's been about a week. I would still prepare like you have been in the event that I'm wrong. It never hurts.</p><p>User is offlineProfile CardPM Go to the top of the page</p><p>+Quote Post</p><p>« Next Oldest · John Titor · Next Newest »</p><p>Enter Keywords</p><p> </p><p></p><p>9 Pages 1 2 3 > »</p><p>Reply to this topicTopic OptionsStart new topic</p><p>1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)</p><p>0 Members:</p><p></p><p> |---- John Titor</p><p> </p><p></p><p>Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 3rd November 2004 - 08:03 PM</p><p>Invision Power Board v2.0.0 © 2004 IPS, Inc.</p><p>Registered to: The Time Travel Forum</p><p>[/SPOILER]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Phoenix, post: 232045, member: 10"] [ATTACH type="full"]17491[/ATTACH] [URL='https://web.archive.org/web/20041104020353/http://www.timetravelforum.net:80/forums/index.php?showtopic=788']The Time Travel Forum[/URL] [SPOILER="Text-only version"] The Time Travel Forum! The largest time travel discussion board on the Internet. Free Memberships! IPB TTF RulesTime Travel Library Gallery Member Map HelpSearchMembersCalendarLive Chat BLOGStorePortal Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register ) > The Time Travel Forum > Time Travelers > Ones you have read about > John Titor Collapse > Site Affiliates 9 Pages 1 2 3 > » Reply to this topicStart new topicStart Poll Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+ > JT Foundation/Oliver Williams Research, Moved from "Are you Afraid" Track this topic | Email this topic | Print this topic virtualgirl post Sep 17 2004, 08:37 PM Post #1 Pythagoras * Group: Members Posts: 34 Joined: 17-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 254 Since I heard about JT, I have been researching everyone involved. So far, I haven't found anything that would prove the story a hoax. In fact, the attorney that started the corporation for the JT foundations father in law is the commander of the Florida National Guard. I think they would have too much to lose to produce a hoax. The book is not copyrighted so that is a dead end. Still working on it, not to be cruel in anyway. I am just searching for the truth. I suppose we should all be prepared in any event. I also have teenagers to think about. Look at it like this, if nothing happens, nothing is lost. You can always use your supplies. Anyway, please don't think bad of me for the research. I am just compelled to do it. User is offlineProfile CardPM Go to the top of the page +Quote Post TheOrangeMan post Sep 17 2004, 10:09 PM Post #2 Forever Orange * Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 7-September 04 Member No.: 230 where did you get in information concerning the attoney's father? I think it's great someone looked into it. User is offlineProfile CardPM Go to the top of the page +Quote Post Snow Fire Watches post Sep 18 2004, 01:14 AM Post #3 Official Grandma and High Priestess Group Icon Group: Temporal Clergy Posts: 350 Joined: 22-June 04 Member No.: 57 QUOTE(virtualgirl @ Sep 17 2004, 08:37 PM) Since I heard about JT, I have been researching everyone involved. So far, I haven't found anything that would prove the story a hoax. In fact, the attorney that started the corporation for the JT foundations father in law is the commander of the Florida National Guard. I think they would have too much to lose to produce a hoax. The book is not copyrighted so that is a dead end. Still working on it, not to be cruel in anyway. I am just searching for the truth. I suppose we should all be prepared in any event. I also have teenagers to think about. Look at it like this, if nothing happens, nothing is lost. You can always use your supplies. Anyway, please don't think bad of me for the research. I am just compelled to do it. * First of all, Welcome. >:D< Think bad of you for research? I'd have to check around but I'm PRETTY SURE research is respected here! ;) Even those of us who tend toward believing (ok ok I admit it - I believe) really just want the truth. Many of us here have read all the debunks and still don't think JT has been proved a hoax, so you are definately not alone. Only time will tell. Hoax or not - things are going his way. Maybe I am behind in reading up, or perhaps you have come up with something new. Would you care to share your research about the father of the attorney for the foundation? From the edge or maybe a little beyond . . . Snow Fire Watches User is online!Profile CardPM Go to the top of the page +Quote Post Phoenix post Sep 18 2004, 09:41 PM Post #4 Voltaire ***** Group: Banned Posts: 817 Joined: 26-June 04 Member No.: 2 QUOTE(virtualgirl @ Sep 17 2004, 08:37 PM) Since I heard about JT, I have been researching everyone involved. So far, I haven't found anything that would prove the story a hoax. In fact, the attorney that started the corporation for the JT foundations father in law is the commander of the Florida National Guard. I think they would have too much to lose to produce a hoax. The book is not copyrighted so that is a dead end. Still working on it, not to be cruel in anyway. I am just searching for the truth. I suppose we should all be prepared in any event. I also have teenagers to think about. Look at it like this, if nothing happens, nothing is lost. You can always use your supplies. Anyway, please don't think bad of me for the research. I am just compelled to do it. * Welcome to the time travel forum virtual girl. :) User is offlineProfile CardPM Go to the top of the page +Quote Post Paul J. Lyon post Sep 20 2004, 11:34 AM Post #5 Col. of Unorganized Militia and Pope of the World Group Icon Group: Temporal Clergy Posts: 866 Joined: 16-June 04 From: Fresno, California Member No.: 42 Look for the middle ground; truth is usually there in a puddle. Don't fall for the fallacy that something like Titor must be completely true or completely a hoax. He deals in "fake truth," or disinformation. If "he" came to 2000 in a time machine, he didn't post a picture of it, he posted a picture of a fake time machine. To find the truth, find the character, find his motive. User is offlineProfile CardPM Go to the top of the page +Quote Post virtualgirl post Sep 20 2004, 09:19 PM Post #6 Pythagoras * Group: Members Posts: 34 Joined: 17-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 254 First of all, thank you all for welcoming me here!!!! :D How did I get my information....well, I have access to research alot of records....When I ran the lawyers license (this was legal by the way) I checked for anyone at the same address. There was him, his wife and two other people with the same name as the wife's maiden name. Then I ran a check on the father (Emmett R. Titshaw) and found the Air National Guard stuff. Also, I looked up the copyright in D.C. and there was no copyright for that book title. I also pulled up the bar association and Haber is in good standing. I also ran a search on all the property he owned to look for connections. And then I sent an email to Oliver Williams form JT.com to see how he figures into this. As of today, he has not responded. I did however find an Oliver Williams (JT editor) that is incarcerated in the Florida State Prison. And when I ran the partial VIN on the insurance paper that's on the web, one of the vehicles came up as a 1987 Chevy truck that belongs to the Florida State Prison. Maybe I'm reading too much into this. What do you guys think. Too bad I'm in Texas. I would have all >:D< kinds of dirt. User is offlineProfile CardPM Go to the top of the page +Quote Post Paul J. Lyon post Sep 21 2004, 10:44 AM Post #7 Col. of Unorganized Militia and Pope of the World Group Icon Group: Temporal Clergy Posts: 866 Joined: 16-June 04 From: Fresno, California Member No.: 42 QUOTE(virtualgirl @ Sep 21 2004, 03:19 AM) First of all, thank you all for welcoming me here!!!! :D How did I get my information....well, I have access to research alot of records....When I ran the lawyers license (this was legal by the way) I checked for anyone at the same address. There was him, his wife and two other people with the same name as the wife's maiden name. Then I ran a check on the father (Emmett R. Titshaw) and found the Air National Guard stuff. Also, I looked up the copyright in D.C. and there was no copyright for that book title. I also pulled up the bar association and Haber is in good standing. I also ran a search on all the property he owned to look for connections. And then I sent an email to Oliver Williams form JT.com to see how he figures into this. As of today, he has not responded. I did however find an Oliver Williams (JT editor) that is incarcerated in the Florida State Prison. And when I ran the partial VIN on the insurance paper that's on the web, one of the vehicles came up as a 1987 Chevy truck that belongs to the Florida State Prison. Maybe I'm reading too much into this. What do you guys think. Too bad I'm in Texas. I would have all >:D< kinds of dirt. * Is that the same truck? This research is magnificent. My first thought is that you have possibly named the cohorts of the Titor Committee that I suspect wrote the posts. I looked up Haber once, and even posted all of his public domain bar information, but it was deleted by the Administrator. He is listed as an "entertainment" lawyer in Celebration, Fla. (the Disney fake town). I suspect that the militia stuff and Constitutionalist stuff comes from Titshaw. Also, if you put the first syllable of his and the last syllable of Haber's name together, you get "Titer." User is offlineProfile CardPM Go to the top of the page +Quote Post CaryP post Sep 21 2004, 10:51 AM Post #8 Keep smiling, it get's a lot worse from here. Group Icon Group: Ragin' Cajun Posts: 869 Joined: 15-June 04 From: Louisiana Member No.: 33 No kidding Paul. Great tie in of Titshaw's and Haber's names. Virtualgirl, excellent work and welcome to the plantation. I'm glad you're not in Louisiana. Cary User is offlineProfile CardPM Go to the top of the page +Quote Post Paul J. Lyon post Sep 21 2004, 01:14 PM Post #9 Col. of Unorganized Militia and Pope of the World Group Icon Group: Temporal Clergy Posts: 866 Joined: 16-June 04 From: Fresno, California Member No.: 42 Also, I believe that prison inmates are not allowed to use the internet, which means that Williams had to have relied heavily on the family there to work on any of this stuff, and had a lot of time on his hands to cook up apocalyptic scenarios. There was something about Titor's "it's always a bad day when you can't get any good water" type writing style that did ring an old bell with me. I spent a lot of time with prisoners in the late 1980s, doing appeals, and learned their language. There's a strong flavor of it in Titor's work. User is offlineProfile CardPM Go to the top of the page +Quote Post StarLord post Sep 21 2004, 01:44 PM Post #10 Lord of Time & Space,Grand Vizier Of The Sidhee Group Icon Group: Lord of Time and Space Posts: 887 Joined: 17-June 04 Member No.: 44 One would have LOTS of time writing from that spot, lots of time with no distractions, 'cept where the soap went, plenty of time to make notes and back track on those notes for errors. I wonder, is that area full of semi spiritual anti govermental Survivalist? Not the prison of course. Great Call virtual girl. User is offlineProfile CardPM Go to the top of the page +Quote Post Paul J. Lyon post Sep 21 2004, 01:48 PM Post #11 Col. of Unorganized Militia and Pope of the World Group Icon Group: Temporal Clergy Posts: 866 Joined: 16-June 04 From: Fresno, California Member No.: 42 There's also that "me against the world" thing, the paramilitary life of an inmate, and being forced to fall back on fundamental "values." Almost everything I can come up with about this evokes both Titor and the voice of a prison inmate to me. It surprises me that I hadn't noticed this before. Self-reliance, truck farming, spare religion, simple food, and the willingness to accept the mass destruction of the "outside world" and its people. Everything fits. This post has been edited by Paul J. Lyon: Sep 21 2004, 01:51 PM User is offlineProfile CardPM Go to the top of the page +Quote Post StarLord post Sep 21 2004, 02:07 PM Post #12 Lord of Time & Space,Grand Vizier Of The Sidhee Group Icon Group: Lord of Time and Space Posts: 887 Joined: 17-June 04 Member No.: 44 Great thinking All you guys!! You found the thing we were NOT looking for or at. I can see it now, FLASH Titor an Inmate!, Traped in time, doing time, got alota time, gotta dime? User is offlineProfile CardPM Go to the top of the page +Quote Post Snow Fire Watches post Sep 21 2004, 02:57 PM Post #13 Official Grandma and High Priestess Group Icon Group: Temporal Clergy Posts: 350 Joined: 22-June 04 Member No.: 57 OK you guys are moving a little fast for me. Oliver Williams, who did the johntitor.com site and the Coast to Coast radio interview may or may not be a prison inmate. Oliver Williams of johntitor.com definately has computer access and the ability to spend 4 midnight hours on the phone and radio just in early August, 2004. John Titor had computer access and the ability to answer posts immediately and access to a fax machine. Paint me a clearer picture of what you are suggesting happened here. I'm beside myself with the excitement of the new evidence and incredibly impressed that one of our members has found some new puzzle pieces that have not been on the table before. I can't say how thrilled I am that we have someone with the desire and the ability and the tools to do these kinds of searches on our team! Virtualgirl you have done an awesome job bringing something new to the table. But come on you guys - you just load it all up on the hoax-wagon and start tromping through town like you have solved the big mystery. Have you? Please prove it. From the edge or maybe a little beyond . . . SFW User is online!Profile CardPM Go to the top of the page +Quote Post Cornelia post Sep 21 2004, 03:40 PM Post #14 TTer from GMT +1 *** Group: Elder Posts: 209 Joined: 14-June 04 From: Europe Member No.: 21 Hey Snow, men love to solve problems quickly! That's why they jump on the hoax wagon so fast! :lol: Anyway, we must: -be sure he is the same Oliver Williams -be sure that Oliver Williams was in prison on November 2000 Also, from what I understood she was doing her lawyer training while reasearching. We have respected lawyers here: would the Pope graciously conduct the same research? I can't believe a student has access to resources the Pope don't! More: can an inmate have access to the insurance paper of the prison truck? Maybe in Italy it could happen :lol: but in USA I don't think so. I don't know if in your country the inmates can get those special projects in which they work for the prison office or something like that. If it's possible, then he could have had access to papers, the Internet and a fax. User is offlineProfile CardPM Go to the top of the page +Quote Post virtualgirl post Sep 21 2004, 07:15 PM Post #15 Pythagoras * Group: Members Posts: 34 Joined: 17-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 254 Guys, Gracias'!! I do my best.....Now don't get me wrong about Oliver Williams. It still could not be the editor. The info just fits. All the stuff on Haber, I'm sure of. Then again, it could just be alot of coincidences. I'll keep researching. The only reason I'm sure on the lawyer is because I have the drivers license on the whole family as well as all their property records. One thing I need to check on is the corporation papers. They say that Haber is the acting agent but doesn't say who he represents. Also, I thought corporations had to at least have 2 members but he is the only one on them. Maybe that's only on L.L.C. And don't worry Cary. I'm not dangerous. I'm really very loveable when you get to know me. :flirt: I just want to know the truth. Part of me wants to believe, and he almost had me. I mean we still have to consider that Hawkings changed his findings after the posts so I don't know. I emailed Williams and asked him how he fits in. I told him if it's him, to fess up and I'll back off but if there is no reply and I find out that it is him, I'm going to blow it wide open. He still hasn't replied and it's been about a week. I would still prepare like you have been in the event that I'm wrong. It never hurts. 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