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I just find it inconsevable that the stuff we a learning today will ever beforgotten.. do you think that we would ever forget the name Hitler? I don't. or how about Napolian? Patton? Washington? I just don't think it will happen.
And you are right. Many names (among them Hitler, Washington, Napoleon whom you mention), events and inventions are still remembered where I come from. It's just that one cannot second-guess the impact any contemporary celebrity will have on history. History follows it's own drummer, regardless of of what you or I may think.
In fact, the historical process moves so fast these days that you can see what I have said demonstrated in less than a lifetime: for instance, I'm sure there are some US teenagers who believe the most significant person in history is the last winner of American Idol. But not only is this winner totally unknown elsewhere on the planet right now, but the teenagers in question may well forget he ever existed when they grow up. As for his mark on history, well... But you try telling that right now to that teenager.
Celebrity can also be compared to courtship. I'm sure many of us, having seduced a person and had a lasting relationship with her/him, have at some point been totally shocked to learn that what attracted that person to us was something totally different than what we thought. You cannot second guess seduction, and as I said, nor can you second-guess history.
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bb boris Posted: Dec 24 2003, 01:09 PM
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Can you tell me about gravitons, their speed, their charge, and their origin.
As far as I know, gravitons are an abstract concept postulated to explain the empirical observations that demonstrate, to current scientific thinking, the existence of quantum physics.
Pretty much as atoms, in their orbiting spheres shape, were once used to explain relativity. And to go further back in time, how the Holy Trinity was once used to explain the creation and functioning of the world.
The Vatican, Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Kepler, Einstein, Hawking (to name but a few), they all represent the succession of essential building blocks that have promoted our species' understanding of the Universe. But it doesn't end NOW. We should not, and I think you'll agree, Professor, make that age-old mistake of believing that we have, at last, reached the end of the road. All those theories were right, then proved wrong, or at least they were mistakes that had to be discovered and believed in order to reach the next level. This is the way it should be.
But there are many more paradigms waiting to be discovered, the further understanding of thought as a dimension, the implemetation of shamanic awareness and musical theory application, sonics and many more.
But I can no more dissert on the details of gravitons than I could discuss the number of angels that fit on the head of a pin, which, I remind you, used to be a very serious and scholarly debate 600 years ago.
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bb boris Posted: Dec 24 2003, 01:41 PM
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Can you tell me about Time: what is the essence of time, how does it work, how can you manipulate it to cause time travel, and how does gravity effect time or does it?
Whew! I'll try my best, Professor, if you will remember that I'm only a one-time TT user and not an expert.
I believe that the essence of time is thought, and this belief is rooted in what I experienced. I did not use a machine, nor did I use an identifiable, external power source. What I did use was :
1) A fulcrum (ie an object I could touch in my time and whose precise, VERY PRECISE, spacetime coordinates at point of arrival were known)
2) The resulting spacetime equations that were fed into my cerebrum
3) Enormous mental/spiritual concentration.
I would conclude from this that time just is, like space. Possibly a one-way, linear vector subject to causality, or perhaps instead of a straight line it is a circle (like space). Then again it may be an infinite multiplicity of co-linear probabilities branching out according to an infinity of cause and effect reactions. That I cannot tell.
But what I am convinced of is that it can only be manipulated by thought, and only in exceptional circumstances such as a particular spate of corresponding situations existing at departure and arrival points. I believe that time travel is not a simple motion from point A to B that can be used at will with the proper tools, but that, like everything in this universe, a "payment" has to be extracted from the tampering of unnatural forces. That payment can take many forms, in my case it was an exceptional spate of circumstances and my intensive training as a Voicemaster. Perhaps also the fact it went wrong and that I ended up trapped here.
As for any effect from gravity, I'm sorry but I do not know. There. I hope you won't find my answers too silly, but as I said, they are the observations of a layman.
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bb boris Posted: Dec 24 2003, 02:00 PM
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2. There's nothing much to teach, except we show our children how to develop the qualities needed to tap into what you could call the "great spiritual matrix", for once you've done that, you have access to all the goods and services available to the citizens of the Imperial Federation of Jupiter . Of course, as always, those with a vocation for the "sciences" (be they quantic, Newtonian, spiritual or shamanic) go on to further education in their chosen branch.
Tell me about this, surely it was shown to you for I would surely teach it to my son.
Hello, Tekdawg. You are right, all this was shown to me as it is the birthright of every citizen.
The cursus, so to speak, has 2 aspects:
1) One is technical, and consists in learning how to interact telepathically with our instruments. Every citizen is issued with a small array of instruments, usually worn on the wrist, including the strapowac (for powering appliances), the database (for info, commerce and ID), the holoset (for telecoms) and the spacesuit generator. Plus a few items relating to one's chosen vocation. Of this aspect, little can be done in this time, of course. In any case, this aspect is not the major one, for none of these instruments can work if the user has not had the benefit of the other branch:
2) The spiritual. Ironically, very few of the values taught to our children are unknown in this century. They consist in universal love, respect, empathy, dignity, all values we hold as priorities but which in your time are regarded as little more than naive and wishy washy. If you only knew how easy it is, and how workable, pragmatic, realistic, even profitable it is to believe in all that. As long as EVERYONE does, of course. And that's the problem nowadays. But what can I do?
I don't know whether this has helped, Tekdawg, but I'm convinced that your son could only benefit from being encouraged to believe in the importance of those values, regardless of the surrounding spiritual bankruptcy of this era. For even in these negative times, the power of example can be exponential.
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bb boris Posted: Dec 24 2003, 02:08 PM
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QUOTE (Lagnar @ Dec 22 2003, 02:14 PM)
You must be in complete torment and engulfed in pure fear having some idea yet no truly whole recollections into what you will have to try and survive through.
Truly best wishes to all...
I wish I was ten again, for ignorance IS bliss.
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Thank you for your deep understanding, Lagnar.
It really warms my heart.
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Makes sence, in a scary kind of way...
now to pit TT vs TT. Boris, what do you think of the other TT we have here that is putting up a fight, mr Ralan? why don't you go over and chat with him, see what he thinks about you story?
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Makes sence, in a scary kind of way...
Gannon, I shall take that as a compliment.
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now to pit TT vs TT. Boris, what do you think of the other TT we have here that is putting up a fight, mr Ralan? why don't you go over and chat with him, see what he thinks about you story?
Mmmm. This again has the makings of the old jumping through hoops routine, but I'll willingly do it for Ralan does deserve respect.
So prompted by Gannon, I have carefully read the posts of Urno Arnan Ralan. I have 4 observations to make:
1) With all due respect to Ralan, I must agree with what some members have posted already, and that is that I too find much of the holistic, general descriptions of the world he comes from to be somewhat derivative of some of the better brand of science-fiction. I am impressed by the level of detail however, some of it very non-derivative and thus credible, and by his general polite, earnest manner, although I must confess that whoever posted that Ralan was in some ways copying my own posts and style seems to me to have a point. This in no way means I doubt Ralan, for I know from personal experience the pain of being confronted with doubt and criticism and I have no wish of doing this to anyone. At the same time I am compelled to be honest under all circumstances, and so I am merely stating my overall impression without drawing any conclusions.
2) If Ralan is telling the truth, it clearly demonstrates that time is not simply linear and single in nature. His descriptions of developments in the 59th century he comes from do significantly contradict the advanced direction humanity is seen to be taking in the 41st century. There is no way his civilisation could have met up with ours and simply consumed it, for instance. The reverse is far more likely, for even 1800 years before Ralan's time we humans had already moved on beyond the need for clunky, power-hungry manufactured starships, or manufactured organs to combat disease etc. We had harnessed the power of thought! Our energy was psychic! Whereas Ralan's people were still struggling centuries later with what seems basically an industrial paradigm. Then again Ralan did not say there was a meeting of our respective civilisations. We are thus to accept the painful possibility, that he mentions, of the total destruction of our civilisation. Yet how this could happen given the sheer spatial scope it has already reached by my time (ie over 670 kiloparsecs, or 2 million lightyears) is another unexplainable mystery.
Nevertheless this is no definitive problem and does not disprove his story, since many researchers have postulated that time is made up of an infinity of independent, parallel strings of probabilities and I, for one, am totally open to that possibility.
3) What bothers me too is this. Ralan says he arrived here in 1946AD. That's 57 years ago, the last 11 of which were spent on linguistic and general cultural adjustment, including 6 years immersed in the British culture. That he should have problems with idioms like "heck", or icons like Goldilocks, not to mention porridge, I find surprising. And I think I can say this with absolute legitimacy, for I am no stranger to alienation myself, and I am completely familiar with the difficulty of communicating (at least initially) with a foreign, "primitive" culture. But 5 years of presumably very motivated effort is more than enough time for even the most rigid and alien personality to adapt and to learn the basic mores of a new cultural environment. But I will admit that as Ralan is not human, and that his race does not, if I have understood correctly, share a common heritage with our species, my remark is probably irrelevant.
4) If it should turn out that Ralan is telling fictitious stories and, as someone has mentioned, attempting to steal my thunder, let me state that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
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Hello BB Boris,
Your gracious nature overflows. Very facile, eloquent, and altogether caring. Evolution at its finest. No cynicism from me today (LOL). Nicely done indeed.
Uhm...Merry Christmas? Although it seems a little rediculous to mention it.
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If Ralan is telling the truth, it clearly demonstrates that time is not simply linear and single in nature.
you have proved that you are not, in fact, a time traveler from the future, of this time line anyway. you have indead travled though time, perhaps, but you, both, have done much more. you have travled to parrale dimentions. Are you familier with the theroy of how there is a single universe, for every moment in time? They branch off at every posible disicsion that could be made. if this theroy happens to be true, then it would be incredably difficult to travle though time, accuratly. yes, it could be posible, but you would have to follow one trail of dicisions, in reverse, backwards. and there are infinit univeres (agg, can't spell) making it very hard to follow it precicly. This also brings up a bad point, for you that is, you could stay here, or even travle to the future, but you probaly not end up in your future. by simply being here you have create another branch of univerise, it is now, theoreticly, imposible for either of your two futures to happen.
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Hi it's Frog once again I just wanted to say how are you doing in general? also I know your a time traveler but you must not of came from our universe but from a different universe hence a different time and place as well as dimension but you still are human and I appreciate your kindness nevertheless though you have helped me as well as helped others with your answers and advice just remember a friend is a friend and an enemy is a enemy I am a friend instead of an enemy I appreciate your time and patience most time travelers will ignore you all of the same but your cool well I have stuff to do maybe I will have more questions for you later see ya later!
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QUOTE (Lagnar @ Dec 25 2003, 04:48 PM)
Hello BB Boris,
Your gracious nature overflows. Very facile, eloquent, and altogether caring. Evolution at its finest. No cynicism from me today (LOL). Nicely done indeed.
Uhm...Merry Christmas? Although it seems a little rediculous to mention it.
P.S. Does this denote a Question?
Thank you, Lagnar, it is a pleasure as always.
As for a merry Christmas... That surely denotes a leading question, does it not?
Not easy to answer. While it's easy to be put off by all the crass commercialisation, and perhaps also by the not too brilliant record of the Vatican's history over the last 2000 years, there is somethig to be said for the explosion of (generally) genuine displays of kindness, charity, enhanced family values etc that one notices over this period. The fact it is all so shortlived does not delete the fact that it has something admirable about it, like being able to observe for a short time the true face of humanity. So ridiculous it is not, I think. More like bittersweet, I'd say.
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Hi I just wanted to say how are you feeling today? also I have a few questions for you right now if you could answer them that would be great and helpful and one last thing you have been great and helpful in answering everyone's questions and giving advice as well we appreciate your time and patience too well here they are:
1. What can you tell me of the history of your time and people too?
2. Do you believe parallel universes and alternative dimensions exist?
3. How old are you in earth years and your own time years?
4. Is their a way in order to communicate with your own time as well as other timelines too?
thanks for listening and responding and such don't worry you have been a big help for me and others too thanks for your time and patience if you get bored of me let me know and I will stop in asking alot of questions you seem like a cool person anyways!
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bb boris Posted: Dec 27 2003, 04:39 PM
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QUOTE (Gannon @ Dec 25 2003, 05:06 PM)
by simply saying:
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If Ralan is telling the truth, it clearly demonstrates that time is not simply linear and single in nature.
you have proved that you are not, in fact, a time traveler from the future, of this time line anyway. you have indead travled though time, perhaps, but you, both, have done much more. you have travled to parrale dimentions..
I suppose I should not have written "clearly demonstrates". My statement was after all just a rhetorical point, saying that if Ralan tells the truth, he is contradicting what I have seen, therefore there must logically be more than one timeline. Or he is lying. BUT he has written since that if his civilisation came across a sufficiently advanced other culture, they would simply stay in hiding. Perhaps this new information is enough reconcile the contradiction.
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Are you familier with the theroy of how there is a single universe, for every moment in time? This also brings up a bad point, for you that is, you could stay here, or even travle to the future, but you probaly not end up in your future. by simply being here you have create another branch of univerise, it is now, theoreticly, imposible for either of your two futures to happen.
That theory is precisely what I was presenting as an abstract possibility. But like yourself, I don't like it. Because it plays havoc with all notion of precision when time travelling. How indeed does one aim for the correct timeline, on top of the correct time and space coordinates? As I have said before, I'm no expert. In fact, I arrived many years later than planned, and I am now unable to go back. In a word, my whole time-travelling adventure was a total fiasco, and perhaps those multiple timelines are the cause. All I can say is I wish I had never been talked into accepting that insane mission.
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bb boris Posted: Dec 27 2003, 05:05 PM
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Hi I just wanted to say how are you feeling today?
1. What can you tell me of the history of your time and people too?
2. Do you believe parallel universes and alternative dimensions exist?
3. How old are you in earth years and your own time years?
4. Is their a way in order to communicate with your own time as well as other timelines too?
I'm OK, Frog, thank you. Although you'll have to explain to me that thing about enemies in one of your recent posts. I wasn't aware I had any enemies - Or is it just my evolved naivete?
1. The history of my people is the history of your people. Later this century our cradle planet will become practically unlivable to us and this will trigger the beginnings of Humanity as a space-faring civilisation. There is much to tell, far too much for this forum. That is why I wrote a book about it.
2. I believe in the possibility of parallel universes and dimensions, at least as an abstract concept. But I have no real evidence to support this, other than the fact that the Universe is a very "magical" place.
3. In years that I have lived consciously (my years at home + the years spent here), I am 54. Our years are incidentally of the same duration as yours, called "standard years", used by all citizens regardless of their local primary/planet interaction, as a necessary respect for the Human bioclock as it has been structured by millions of years of evolution.
4. I doubt there is way. If there is, I know nothing of it, alas.
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QUOTE (Gannon @ Dec 22 2003, 10:45 AM)
I just find it inconsevable that the stuff we a learning today will ever beforgotten.. do you think that we would ever forget the name Hitler? I don't. or how about Napolian? Patton? Washington? I just don't think it will happen.
And you are right. Many names (among them Hitler, Washington, Napoleon whom you mention), events and inventions are still remembered where I come from. It's just that one cannot second-guess the impact any contemporary celebrity will have on history. History follows it's own drummer, regardless of of what you or I may think.
In fact, the historical process moves so fast these days that you can see what I have said demonstrated in less than a lifetime: for instance, I'm sure there are some US teenagers who believe the most significant person in history is the last winner of American Idol. But not only is this winner totally unknown elsewhere on the planet right now, but the teenagers in question may well forget he ever existed when they grow up. As for his mark on history, well... But you try telling that right now to that teenager.
Celebrity can also be compared to courtship. I'm sure many of us, having seduced a person and had a lasting relationship with her/him, have at some point been totally shocked to learn that what attracted that person to us was something totally different than what we thought. You cannot second guess seduction, and as I said, nor can you second-guess history.
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QUOTE (opmmur @ Dec 22 2003, 07:05 PM)
Can you tell me about gravitons, their speed, their charge, and their origin.
As far as I know, gravitons are an abstract concept postulated to explain the empirical observations that demonstrate, to current scientific thinking, the existence of quantum physics.
Pretty much as atoms, in their orbiting spheres shape, were once used to explain relativity. And to go further back in time, how the Holy Trinity was once used to explain the creation and functioning of the world.
The Vatican, Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Kepler, Einstein, Hawking (to name but a few), they all represent the succession of essential building blocks that have promoted our species' understanding of the Universe. But it doesn't end NOW. We should not, and I think you'll agree, Professor, make that age-old mistake of believing that we have, at last, reached the end of the road. All those theories were right, then proved wrong, or at least they were mistakes that had to be discovered and believed in order to reach the next level. This is the way it should be.
But there are many more paradigms waiting to be discovered, the further understanding of thought as a dimension, the implemetation of shamanic awareness and musical theory application, sonics and many more.
But I can no more dissert on the details of gravitons than I could discuss the number of angels that fit on the head of a pin, which, I remind you, used to be a very serious and scholarly debate 600 years ago.
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bb boris Posted: Dec 24 2003, 01:41 PM
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Can you tell me about Time: what is the essence of time, how does it work, how can you manipulate it to cause time travel, and how does gravity effect time or does it?
Whew! I'll try my best, Professor, if you will remember that I'm only a one-time TT user and not an expert.
I believe that the essence of time is thought, and this belief is rooted in what I experienced. I did not use a machine, nor did I use an identifiable, external power source. What I did use was :
1) A fulcrum (ie an object I could touch in my time and whose precise, VERY PRECISE, spacetime coordinates at point of arrival were known)
2) The resulting spacetime equations that were fed into my cerebrum
3) Enormous mental/spiritual concentration.
I would conclude from this that time just is, like space. Possibly a one-way, linear vector subject to causality, or perhaps instead of a straight line it is a circle (like space). Then again it may be an infinite multiplicity of co-linear probabilities branching out according to an infinity of cause and effect reactions. That I cannot tell.
But what I am convinced of is that it can only be manipulated by thought, and only in exceptional circumstances such as a particular spate of corresponding situations existing at departure and arrival points. I believe that time travel is not a simple motion from point A to B that can be used at will with the proper tools, but that, like everything in this universe, a "payment" has to be extracted from the tampering of unnatural forces. That payment can take many forms, in my case it was an exceptional spate of circumstances and my intensive training as a Voicemaster. Perhaps also the fact it went wrong and that I ended up trapped here.
As for any effect from gravity, I'm sorry but I do not know. There. I hope you won't find my answers too silly, but as I said, they are the observations of a layman.
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2. There's nothing much to teach, except we show our children how to develop the qualities needed to tap into what you could call the "great spiritual matrix", for once you've done that, you have access to all the goods and services available to the citizens of the Imperial Federation of Jupiter . Of course, as always, those with a vocation for the "sciences" (be they quantic, Newtonian, spiritual or shamanic) go on to further education in their chosen branch.
Tell me about this, surely it was shown to you for I would surely teach it to my son.
Hello, Tekdawg. You are right, all this was shown to me as it is the birthright of every citizen.
The cursus, so to speak, has 2 aspects:
1) One is technical, and consists in learning how to interact telepathically with our instruments. Every citizen is issued with a small array of instruments, usually worn on the wrist, including the strapowac (for powering appliances), the database (for info, commerce and ID), the holoset (for telecoms) and the spacesuit generator. Plus a few items relating to one's chosen vocation. Of this aspect, little can be done in this time, of course. In any case, this aspect is not the major one, for none of these instruments can work if the user has not had the benefit of the other branch:
2) The spiritual. Ironically, very few of the values taught to our children are unknown in this century. They consist in universal love, respect, empathy, dignity, all values we hold as priorities but which in your time are regarded as little more than naive and wishy washy. If you only knew how easy it is, and how workable, pragmatic, realistic, even profitable it is to believe in all that. As long as EVERYONE does, of course. And that's the problem nowadays. But what can I do?
I don't know whether this has helped, Tekdawg, but I'm convinced that your son could only benefit from being encouraged to believe in the importance of those values, regardless of the surrounding spiritual bankruptcy of this era. For even in these negative times, the power of example can be exponential.
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bb boris Posted: Dec 24 2003, 02:08 PM
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QUOTE (Lagnar @ Dec 22 2003, 02:14 PM)
You must be in complete torment and engulfed in pure fear having some idea yet no truly whole recollections into what you will have to try and survive through.
Truly best wishes to all...
I wish I was ten again, for ignorance IS bliss.
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Thank you for your deep understanding, Lagnar.
It really warms my heart.
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Gannon Posted: Dec 24 2003, 04:41 PM
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Makes sence, in a scary kind of way...
now to pit TT vs TT. Boris, what do you think of the other TT we have here that is putting up a fight, mr Ralan? why don't you go over and chat with him, see what he thinks about you story?
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bb boris Posted: Dec 25 2003, 11:41 PM
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QUOTE (Gannon @ Dec 24 2003, 08:41 AM)
Makes sence, in a scary kind of way...
Gannon, I shall take that as a compliment.
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bb boris Posted: Dec 25 2003, 11:55 PM
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QUOTE (Gannon @ Dec 24 2003, 08:41 AM)
now to pit TT vs TT. Boris, what do you think of the other TT we have here that is putting up a fight, mr Ralan? why don't you go over and chat with him, see what he thinks about you story?
Mmmm. This again has the makings of the old jumping through hoops routine, but I'll willingly do it for Ralan does deserve respect.
So prompted by Gannon, I have carefully read the posts of Urno Arnan Ralan. I have 4 observations to make:
1) With all due respect to Ralan, I must agree with what some members have posted already, and that is that I too find much of the holistic, general descriptions of the world he comes from to be somewhat derivative of some of the better brand of science-fiction. I am impressed by the level of detail however, some of it very non-derivative and thus credible, and by his general polite, earnest manner, although I must confess that whoever posted that Ralan was in some ways copying my own posts and style seems to me to have a point. This in no way means I doubt Ralan, for I know from personal experience the pain of being confronted with doubt and criticism and I have no wish of doing this to anyone. At the same time I am compelled to be honest under all circumstances, and so I am merely stating my overall impression without drawing any conclusions.
2) If Ralan is telling the truth, it clearly demonstrates that time is not simply linear and single in nature. His descriptions of developments in the 59th century he comes from do significantly contradict the advanced direction humanity is seen to be taking in the 41st century. There is no way his civilisation could have met up with ours and simply consumed it, for instance. The reverse is far more likely, for even 1800 years before Ralan's time we humans had already moved on beyond the need for clunky, power-hungry manufactured starships, or manufactured organs to combat disease etc. We had harnessed the power of thought! Our energy was psychic! Whereas Ralan's people were still struggling centuries later with what seems basically an industrial paradigm. Then again Ralan did not say there was a meeting of our respective civilisations. We are thus to accept the painful possibility, that he mentions, of the total destruction of our civilisation. Yet how this could happen given the sheer spatial scope it has already reached by my time (ie over 670 kiloparsecs, or 2 million lightyears) is another unexplainable mystery.
Nevertheless this is no definitive problem and does not disprove his story, since many researchers have postulated that time is made up of an infinity of independent, parallel strings of probabilities and I, for one, am totally open to that possibility.
3) What bothers me too is this. Ralan says he arrived here in 1946AD. That's 57 years ago, the last 11 of which were spent on linguistic and general cultural adjustment, including 6 years immersed in the British culture. That he should have problems with idioms like "heck", or icons like Goldilocks, not to mention porridge, I find surprising. And I think I can say this with absolute legitimacy, for I am no stranger to alienation myself, and I am completely familiar with the difficulty of communicating (at least initially) with a foreign, "primitive" culture. But 5 years of presumably very motivated effort is more than enough time for even the most rigid and alien personality to adapt and to learn the basic mores of a new cultural environment. But I will admit that as Ralan is not human, and that his race does not, if I have understood correctly, share a common heritage with our species, my remark is probably irrelevant.
4) If it should turn out that Ralan is telling fictitious stories and, as someone has mentioned, attempting to steal my thunder, let me state that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
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Lagnar Posted: Dec 26 2003, 12:48 AM
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Hello BB Boris,
Your gracious nature overflows. Very facile, eloquent, and altogether caring. Evolution at its finest. No cynicism from me today (LOL). Nicely done indeed.
Uhm...Merry Christmas? Although it seems a little rediculous to mention it.
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by simply saying:
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If Ralan is telling the truth, it clearly demonstrates that time is not simply linear and single in nature.
you have proved that you are not, in fact, a time traveler from the future, of this time line anyway. you have indead travled though time, perhaps, but you, both, have done much more. you have travled to parrale dimentions. Are you familier with the theroy of how there is a single universe, for every moment in time? They branch off at every posible disicsion that could be made. if this theroy happens to be true, then it would be incredably difficult to travle though time, accuratly. yes, it could be posible, but you would have to follow one trail of dicisions, in reverse, backwards. and there are infinit univeres (agg, can't spell) making it very hard to follow it precicly. This also brings up a bad point, for you that is, you could stay here, or even travle to the future, but you probaly not end up in your future. by simply being here you have create another branch of univerise, it is now, theoreticly, imposible for either of your two futures to happen.
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Hi it's Frog once again I just wanted to say how are you doing in general? also I know your a time traveler but you must not of came from our universe but from a different universe hence a different time and place as well as dimension but you still are human and I appreciate your kindness nevertheless though you have helped me as well as helped others with your answers and advice just remember a friend is a friend and an enemy is a enemy I am a friend instead of an enemy I appreciate your time and patience most time travelers will ignore you all of the same but your cool well I have stuff to do maybe I will have more questions for you later see ya later!
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bb boris Posted: Dec 27 2003, 04:16 PM
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QUOTE (Lagnar @ Dec 25 2003, 04:48 PM)
Hello BB Boris,
Your gracious nature overflows. Very facile, eloquent, and altogether caring. Evolution at its finest. No cynicism from me today (LOL). Nicely done indeed.
Uhm...Merry Christmas? Although it seems a little rediculous to mention it.
P.S. Does this denote a Question?
Thank you, Lagnar, it is a pleasure as always.
As for a merry Christmas... That surely denotes a leading question, does it not?
Not easy to answer. While it's easy to be put off by all the crass commercialisation, and perhaps also by the not too brilliant record of the Vatican's history over the last 2000 years, there is somethig to be said for the explosion of (generally) genuine displays of kindness, charity, enhanced family values etc that one notices over this period. The fact it is all so shortlived does not delete the fact that it has something admirable about it, like being able to observe for a short time the true face of humanity. So ridiculous it is not, I think. More like bittersweet, I'd say.
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Hi I just wanted to say how are you feeling today? also I have a few questions for you right now if you could answer them that would be great and helpful and one last thing you have been great and helpful in answering everyone's questions and giving advice as well we appreciate your time and patience too well here they are:
1. What can you tell me of the history of your time and people too?
2. Do you believe parallel universes and alternative dimensions exist?
3. How old are you in earth years and your own time years?
4. Is their a way in order to communicate with your own time as well as other timelines too?
thanks for listening and responding and such don't worry you have been a big help for me and others too thanks for your time and patience if you get bored of me let me know and I will stop in asking alot of questions you seem like a cool person anyways!
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bb boris Posted: Dec 27 2003, 04:39 PM
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QUOTE (Gannon @ Dec 25 2003, 05:06 PM)
by simply saying:
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If Ralan is telling the truth, it clearly demonstrates that time is not simply linear and single in nature.
you have proved that you are not, in fact, a time traveler from the future, of this time line anyway. you have indead travled though time, perhaps, but you, both, have done much more. you have travled to parrale dimentions..
I suppose I should not have written "clearly demonstrates". My statement was after all just a rhetorical point, saying that if Ralan tells the truth, he is contradicting what I have seen, therefore there must logically be more than one timeline. Or he is lying. BUT he has written since that if his civilisation came across a sufficiently advanced other culture, they would simply stay in hiding. Perhaps this new information is enough reconcile the contradiction.
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Are you familier with the theroy of how there is a single universe, for every moment in time? This also brings up a bad point, for you that is, you could stay here, or even travle to the future, but you probaly not end up in your future. by simply being here you have create another branch of univerise, it is now, theoreticly, imposible for either of your two futures to happen.
That theory is precisely what I was presenting as an abstract possibility. But like yourself, I don't like it. Because it plays havoc with all notion of precision when time travelling. How indeed does one aim for the correct timeline, on top of the correct time and space coordinates? As I have said before, I'm no expert. In fact, I arrived many years later than planned, and I am now unable to go back. In a word, my whole time-travelling adventure was a total fiasco, and perhaps those multiple timelines are the cause. All I can say is I wish I had never been talked into accepting that insane mission.
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bb boris Posted: Dec 27 2003, 05:05 PM
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Hi I just wanted to say how are you feeling today?
1. What can you tell me of the history of your time and people too?
2. Do you believe parallel universes and alternative dimensions exist?
3. How old are you in earth years and your own time years?
4. Is their a way in order to communicate with your own time as well as other timelines too?
I'm OK, Frog, thank you. Although you'll have to explain to me that thing about enemies in one of your recent posts. I wasn't aware I had any enemies - Or is it just my evolved naivete?
1. The history of my people is the history of your people. Later this century our cradle planet will become practically unlivable to us and this will trigger the beginnings of Humanity as a space-faring civilisation. There is much to tell, far too much for this forum. That is why I wrote a book about it.
2. I believe in the possibility of parallel universes and dimensions, at least as an abstract concept. But I have no real evidence to support this, other than the fact that the Universe is a very "magical" place.
3. In years that I have lived consciously (my years at home + the years spent here), I am 54. Our years are incidentally of the same duration as yours, called "standard years", used by all citizens regardless of their local primary/planet interaction, as a necessary respect for the Human bioclock as it has been structured by millions of years of evolution.
4. I doubt there is way. If there is, I know nothing of it, alas.
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