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Ayasano

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I haven't got a clue how you determined Black Holes are real. There is no astronomical observation showing a Black Hole. Just opinions and belief.

HubbleSite - Picture Album: Exotic: Black Hole
HubbleSite - Picture Album: Exotic: Gravitational Lens
Chandra :: Photo Album :: Images by Category: Black Holes

If you click on the individual links in the Hubble galleries, it will take you to a news article explaining the relevance of each one.

Incidentally, a lot of science comes down to inferring the existence of things from related observations, rather than observing the thing itself directly, at least until you invent the right equipment. Wind is a good example. Until the invention of water-based wind tunnels, the only way to verify the existence of wind was to observe its effects on the world and attempt to recreate them with fans and such.
 

Harte

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I haven't got a clue how you determined Black Holes are real. There is no astronomical observation showing a Black Hole. Just opinions and belief.

HubbleSite - Picture Album: Exotic: Black Hole
HubbleSite - Picture Album: Exotic: Gravitational Lens
Chandra :: Photo Album :: Images by Category: Black Holes

If you click on the individual links in the Hubble galleries, it will take you to a news article explaining the relevance of each one.

Incidentally, a lot of science comes down to inferring the existence of things from related observations, rather than observing the thing itself directly, at least until you invent the right equipment. Wind is a good example. Until the invention of water-based wind tunnels, the only way to verify the existence of wind was to observe its effects on the world and attempt to recreate them with fans and such.
I haven't got a clue how you determined "wind" is real. There is no meteorological observation showing wind. Just opinions and belief. :D

Harte
 

PaulaJedi

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Incidentally, a lot of science comes down to inferring the existence of things from related observations, rather than observing the thing itself directly, at least until you invent the right equipment. Wind is a good example. Until the invention of water-based wind tunnels, the only way to verify the existence of wind was to observe its effects on the world and attempt to recreate them with fans and such.


You can feel wind.

I don't subscribe to the theory that if you can't see it, it doesn't exist.
 

Einstein

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I haven't got a clue how you determined Black Holes are real. There is no astronomical observation showing a Black Hole. Just opinions and belief.

HubbleSite - Picture Album: Exotic: Black Hole
HubbleSite - Picture Album: Exotic: Gravitational Lens
Chandra :: Photo Album :: Images by Category: Black Holes

If you click on the individual links in the Hubble galleries, it will take you to a news article explaining the relevance of each one.

Incidentally, a lot of science comes down to inferring the existence of things from related observations, rather than observing the thing itself directly, at least until you invent the right equipment. Wind is a good example. Until the invention of water-based wind tunnels, the only way to verify the existence of wind was to observe its effects on the world and attempt to recreate them with fans and such.

I did look through about 25 of the pictures finding no conclusive evidence at all.

So I'm giving you an assignment. Come back with just one astronomical observation that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Black Holes exist. I'm looking for the scientific method here, not opinions or conjectures. Good Luck...
 

PaulaJedi

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I haven't got a clue how you determined Black Holes are real. There is no astronomical observation showing a Black Hole. Just opinions and belief.

HubbleSite - Picture Album: Exotic: Black Hole
HubbleSite - Picture Album: Exotic: Gravitational Lens
Chandra :: Photo Album :: Images by Category: Black Holes

If you click on the individual links in the Hubble galleries, it will take you to a news article explaining the relevance of each one.

Incidentally, a lot of science comes down to inferring the existence of things from related observations, rather than observing the thing itself directly, at least until you invent the right equipment. Wind is a good example. Until the invention of water-based wind tunnels, the only way to verify the existence of wind was to observe its effects on the world and attempt to recreate them with fans and such.

I did look through about 25 of the pictures finding no conclusive evidence at all.

So I'm giving you an assignment. Come back with just one astronomical observation that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Black Holes exist. I'm looking for the scientific method here, not opinions or conjectures. Good Luck...

See my black hole thread for response.
 

Ayasano

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You can feel wind.

I don't subscribe to the theory that if you can't see it, it doesn't exist.

I was talking more about the "seeing is believing" attitude some people seem to have. Even feeling the effects of wind is still an indirect observation, in a sense, because that feeling alone could be explained by other theories. Invisible pink unicorns rubbing against you, for example. :D It's only the sheer mountain of evidence from various sources that lets us know what wind is and how it works, when you put it all together.

(I don't subscribe to that theory either, by the way)
 

PaulaJedi

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You can feel wind.

I don't subscribe to the theory that if you can't see it, it doesn't exist.

I was talking more about the "seeing is believing" attitude some people seem to have. Even feeling the effects of wind is still an indirect observation, in a sense, because that feeling alone could be explained by other theories. Invisible pink unicorns rubbing against you, for example. :D It's only the sheer mountain of evidence from various sources that lets us know what wind is and how it works, when you put it all together.

(I don't subscribe to that theory either, by the way)


Feeling are seeing are both senses that we use to determine if something is real. :)
 

Ayasano

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You can feel wind.

I don't subscribe to the theory that if you can't see it, it doesn't exist.

I was talking more about the "seeing is believing" attitude some people seem to have. Even feeling the effects of wind is still an indirect observation, in a sense, because that feeling alone could be explained by other theories. Invisible pink unicorns rubbing against you, for example. :D It's only the sheer mountain of evidence from various sources that lets us know what wind is and how it works, when you put it all together.

(I don't subscribe to that theory either, by the way)


Feeling are seeing are both senses that we use to determine if something is real. :)
As any dreamer will tell you, feeling and seeing on their own are horribly inadequate for verifying whether something is real. My point is simply that the more evidence you can muster for something from various sources, the better.
 

walt willis

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This was in a book that I read called: "There is NO Death".

More Prophecy from the Woman Who Predicted 911
Friday, August 22, 2014 20:50

'' “The next thing that came to me was more felt than seen. It was the understanding that shortly after the crashing of the buildings in New York City (911), commerce ceased.

Shopping and buying seemed to stop, and the economy failed throughout the world. Few had any money at all, and those who did have it could not buy anything of worth with it.

Gold and silver and other commodities had value and could be traded.

I then saw a man walk into a middle of a crowd of people and drop what seemed like a quart jar full of liquid.
The jar broke and the liquid spread.
I understood that people nearby had become infected with a disease from the liquid, and they didn’t even know it.

A day or two later the people became sick and started dying. I saw that this would happen in four particular cities: New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Salt Lake City.

The disease started with white blisters, some the size of a dime, appearing the hands, arms and face of the victims.

The blisters quickly developed into white puffy sores. Those with the disease would stumble around and fall over dead. Many died within a short time, perhaps 24 hours.

I also saw other people with a flu-like virus that spread more quickly than the first disease.

The victims had blood coming from their nose, mouth, eyes, and ears.
These people died even faster of this disease than the ones who had the first sickness.
These diseases became wide-spread across the United States with hundreds of thousands infected.

As the people were fleeing the cities in the hope of saving their lives, gangs were attacking them and killing them.
In the towns that were struck with disease there was chaos, with looting, rioting and murders involved in a complete breakdown of society.
Many people seemed to go crazy.

I sensed that the electricity had failed everywhere and that nothing was running throughout the country, including any of the communication systems.
I watched people throw rocks through windows to steal TV’s that would not work and thought it was very strange….

There was a tremendously long winter that caught everyone by surprise following the siege of sickness.

It started early and lasted into the summer months.

A famine had begun over the few years leading up to the long winter because of storms, droughts, floods and other plagues that had taken place; and the abnormally long cold period seemed to cause the famine to suddenly increase to its full measure.

In the period of time following the disease, which was quickly followed by the long winter, things started going down hill very quickly.

Events piled up one on top of another without any breaks.

My sense of timing was not very clear at this moment; however because I was seeing several things happening all at the same time or very close together.

During and after the long winter, the disease spread everywhere and increased in severity.

The economy and the electricity were completely gone. Chaos and anarchy reigned over the entire United States.

Without any government there was a total breakdown, and I saw people panicking everywhere.
They were trying in vain to find food. There was none.

I saw people even digging in the ground for worms to eat because they were so hungry from the lack of food.

Also, during this time I became aware that there was very little drinking water, and the remaining water had become contaminated, so that if a person drank it they would contract the disease and die.

Because of their great thirst many people drank the water in spite of the danger of poisoning and died.

I mentioned earlier the gangs that killed people trying to escape the cities.

It seemed that some of the people had lost their minds and went around in these gangs killing people just for the sake of killing; others killed for food or to gain some material possessions from their victims.

Those that were killing for no reason were like beasts: animals completely out of control, as they raped, looted, burned and butchered people.

I saw these gangs go into the homes of those who were hiding.

They would drag them out of their hiding places, rape and dismember them.

For many there was an unnatural fear and hatred that came over the people.

Family ties that once existed between husbands and wives, parents and children no longer mattered.

The only thing that mattered was individual survival.

Men would kill their wives and children for food or water. Mothers would kill their children.

For me, the events that then lay before me were horrible beyond description and almost unbearable to watch….

As I looked upon this scene of chaos, smoke and destruction I noticed that there were small pockets of light scattered over the United States.
There were, I would guess, about twenty or thirty of them that I saw.

I noticed that most of the locations of light were in the western part of the United States, with only three or four of them being in the east.

These places of light seemed to shine brightly through the darkness and were such a contrast to the rest of the scene that they caught my attention.

I focused on them for a moment and asked, ‘What are these things?’

I was then able to see that these points of light were people who had gathered together and were kneeling in prayer.

The light was actually coming from the people, and I understood that the light was showing forth their goodness and love.

I further understood that they gathered together for safety and that, contrary to what I had witnessed everywhere, the cared more for each other than
for themselves.

Some of the groups were small with only a hundred people or so, but other groups consisted of what seemed to be thousands.

I realized that many, if not all, of these places of light, or cities of light as I began to think of them, had somehow been established just before the biological attack, and that they were very organized.

It was as if they had known what was coming and had prepared for it.

I did not see who or what had organized them, but I did see many people struggling to reach them with nothing but what they could carry.
 

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