9/11 Revisited Again

[CaryP]

Re: 9/11 Revisited Again

Found this on the Pentagon strike. Yeah, I know the layout gets scrambled in the copy and paste. Go to the link if you want to see the original.

Cary


http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/01/307126.shtml

9-11 Pentagon Plane Identified? A3 SkyWarrior with missles (or another mil. plane...?)

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The interesting bit--well it's all interesting--is that there is a U.S. government based INTERNET SEARCH ENGINE CONTENT BLOCK against internet searches for this particular part found at the Pentagon crash site. Some of the information that follows thus comes from 9-11 researchers working internationally with U.S. researchers on this issue. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? A3 SkyWarrior
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? AFTER LYING they were without footage, Pentagon then ANONYMOUSLY releases this
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Pentagon Plane Indentified?
By Leland Lehrman

[email protected]
12-31-4
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Esteemed Colleagues - frame one aircraft at Pentagon
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I took the animated gif image from the website:

http://www.physics911.net/missingwings.htm which shows the five-frame government-released pentagon video zoomed in on the area where the plane went. Looking at it over and over and at 400% zoom, I have finally reached the tentative opinion that it may be a small black military aircraft shooting a missile.

The image appears consistent with a black A3 SkyWarrior or similar aircraft as indicated by Karl Schwarz, both an aircraft specialist and a talented, resourceful investigator.

http://www.karlschwarz.com ?

To the right in html email [here, above] is an illustrated version of frame one outlining the aircraft in red and the possible white missile trail in orange. Attached is the same file, larger, for those without html email.
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In particular, the image is not consistent with a shiny airplane of any sort. The only reflection appears to come from the forward area, near where the cockpit windows or front edge of the wings might be.
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Look at this image of an American 757.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/745215/L/ The plane is almost entirely silver, and the tail is close to white and has clear and large markings on it. Now look at the plane in the image attached [aircraftoutlined.jpg] or on the web [here, above].

Everything is black, and the sun is shining directly on it, as evidenced by the angle of the shadow on the box-shaped thing in the foreground, so there is no way the darkness could be shadow..
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In the image attached, aircraftoutlined.jpg, you will see the red outline of the likely airplane and the orange outline of the possible missile trail. If you look at the image directly following this one in the five frame animation

http://physics911.net/e-pentagon_animation.gif, you will be able to compare and contrast the two frames in order to establish other parameters that require a relational view of both frames. It is useful to view the images at 200-400% zoom and frame by frame slowly. Programs like the freeware Irfanview

http://irfanview.com/ can zoom the file adequately.
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There is almost no question that there is in fact some sort of white exhaust trail consistent with a missile trail in this image [aircraftoutlined.jpg]. * [and INCONSISTENT with a 757; as well a hundred other facts that belie a 757 at the Pentagon]
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Any contention that a 757 hit the Pentagon must deal with what that white cloud-like apparition is and as well how come the tail of the plane in the photograph is black. *
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Black ops comes to mind.
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I would be interested in going over these two images on the phone (505.982.3609) with anyone interested in order to describe the many difficult-to-put-in-words nuances. If these images do not come through, check them out online:
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Pentagon Security Camera Frame 1 zoomed with outlines:

http://www.physics911.net/aircraftoutlined.jpg
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A3 SkyWarrior:

http://www.physics911.net/a3skywarrior.jpg
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If anyone can show me where I am wrong, please do.
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Leland


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SMOKING GUN ALERT:

U.S. GOVERNMENT HAS PLACED A PHYSICAL BLOCK AGAINST FINDING THIS PART FROM INTERNET SEARCHES WITH U.S. ORIGINS!! IF IT ACTUALLY WAS FROM A 757, THERE WOULD BE NO BLOCK SINCE THERE WOULD BE NOTHING TO HIDE.

ODD FEMA PHOTOGRAPHED PLANE PART AT PENTAGON IDENTIFIED: A3 Sky Warrior: \"Well, the part that is laying there in the FEMA pictures outside the Pentagon is definitely not a 757 component....Somebody has gone through the internet and done content blocking to where if you actually know the part number and you are actually looking for a diagram picture, you know like an auto-cad drawing or looking for a photograph of this particular item to prove that it was not a 757 that hit the Pentagon. We had to get the help of some people out of Russia and France and Germany and Japan to go around content blocks on the U.S. search engines and we finally found the photograph....It is what is called a front compressor front hub assembly. In fact, there's two types. One of them, they use it on the, what's called an A3 Sky Warrior. And the A3 Sky Warrior has had, at last count, four different types of jets [engines] on them. But some of it is older technology going all the way back to the Allison J33, and Allison J71, which all of those are burned up years ago. It doesn't even pay to try to repair them anymore. And what this is is either a Pratt and Witney 57 or a Pratt and Witney JT8D. Now that is an engine that is primarily used on earlier versions of the 737. But it is also used on an A3 in it's current model, current version. And here is what this says, this is just a little footnote, underneath this picture we gave Spitzer it said your reliable source for turbine engine fan blade repairs is now providing total overhaul capability of JT8D fan hub assembly repair. And I'm not going to say the name of the company. Spitzer's office is looking into this. This is the only approved source to overhaul both blades and hub assemblies an FAA approved shop. JS: So what was it that hit the Pentagon? Any guesses here?; KS: I think it was an A3 Sky Warrior. \" [Global Hawk additionally has an Allison though...]

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/305698.shtml

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FLASH ANIMATION OF NO EVIDENCE FOUND OF 757 AT PENTAGON
author: Messenger
This was produced by North East Illinois University and it is very compelling evidence that a 757 did not strike the Pentagon on 9/11/01.
Click here for an incredible, quick loading video about the attack on the Pentagon. NO EVIDENCE OF 757 AT THE PENTAGON

http://www.neiu.edu/~ayjamess/hmmm.htm
COMMENTS HERE, AND LINK AS WELL:

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/11/304152.shtml

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ILLEGAL PENTAGON CLEAN UP CREW, DESTROYING, COVERING, AND CARRYING AWAY EVIDENCE (AND PERHAPS LAYING FALSE EVIDENCE)

9-11 Pentagon Photo: what's that 'thing' in the background of this pic?
21:08 Dec-09 (14 comments)

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/305599.shtml ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

 

[Darkwolf]

Re: 9/11 Revisited Again

Ok, I have to ask, why exactly would they hijack an airplane, shoot a missile into the pentagon, then say the plane hit it. Why not just hit it with the plane? If there is a conspiracy one must assume that they aren't stupid. They would not leave all of these loopholes in the story, besides its not like a plane firing a missile is exactly invisable from the ground. If so, where did the hijacked plane go? Why the added complexity? Clearly they could make passanger planes hit things There is no dispute about what hit the towers.

 

[Timmy G]

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"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."

Henry Kissinger, Speaking at Evian, France, May 21, 1992. Bilderberg meeting.

 

[CaryP]

Re: 9/11 Revisited Again

Here's a "catch all" of the 9/11 event. Lot's of videos, links to articles, etc. It'll keep you busy for a while if you go through the whole thing, but what the hell.

Cary

P.S. Darkwolf, I don't know why a missle would be used or what the PTB were thinking. I'm not saying that a missle was used on the Pentagon. I just found the article interesting, especially with the links to pictures and videos.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11_wtc_videos.html


Fire Engineering has good reason to believe that the "official investigation" blessed by FEMA and run by the American Society of Civil Engineers is a half-baked farce that may already have been commandeered by political forces whose primary interests, to put it mildly, lie far afield of full disclosure. [Fire Engineering - 1/4/2002]

Owner May Make a Huge Profit off of 9/11 WTC Attacks</a>
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[Zoomerz]

Re: 9/11 Revisited Again

This might prove revealing....

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...st911interviews

Court OKs Release of Post-9/11 Interviews

Fri Mar 25, 7:55 AM ET

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ALBANY, N.Y. ? New York City's Fire Department must release audiotapes and transcripts of interviews conducted with firefighters who responded to the 2001 terrorist attacks, except for portions that could cause serious pain or embarrassment, the state's highest court ruled Thursday.

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The decision by the Court of Appeals was part of a ruling that also determined what portions of 911 calls and dispatch communications must be disclosed by the city. While the court agreed unanimously to the release of the interviews, it split 4-3 in ruling that in most cases only the operators' side of 911 calls, and not what the callers said, should be disclosed.

The decision, written by Judge Robert Smith, said that while "the public has a legitimate interest in knowing how well or poorly the 911 system performed that day ? we conclude that the public interest in the words of 911 callers is outweighed by the interest in privacy of those family members and callers who prefer that those words remain private."

The court rejected arguments that privacy interests of those killed no longer exist.

"We think this argument contradicts the common understanding of the word 'privacy,' " particularly when it comes to the families of the dead, Smith wrote.

Thursday's court ruling comes in response to a Freedom of Information request by the New York Times to examine tapes of 911 calls made from the World Trade Center directly after the Sept. 11 attacks, as well as firefighters' internal interviews with employees after the attacks.

Under Thursday's decision, the Fire Department would have to return to the state's trial-level court and argue on a case-by-case basis that specific statements by firefighters interviewed for an oral history on the response to the attacks would cause pain or embarrassment.

Times counsel David McCraw said the newspaper was pleased with the court ruling on oral histories, saying they are part of an important record detailing the first impression of responders, which could help the public learn more about what happened that day.

Michael A. Cardoza, the city's corporation counsel, said the decision protected the privacy of the attacks' victims and their families.

Neither McCraw nor New York City officials could say Thursday when the information would be made available.

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[optimist]

Re: 9/11 Revisited Again

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>

Ok, I have to ask, why exactly would they hijack an airplane, shoot a missile into the pentagon, then say the plane hit it. ?Why not just hit it with the plane? ?If there is a conspiracy one must assume that they aren't stupid. ?They would not leave all of these loopholes in the story, besides its not like a plane firing a missile is exactly invisable from the ground. ?If so, where did the hijacked plane go? ?Why the added complexity? ?Clearly they could make passanger planes hit things There is no dispute about what hit the towers.[/b]

Personally, I subscribe to the idea that the no plane hitting the pentagon theory is an attempt to discredit serious questions about the official conspiricy theory. It's an attempt to put lump all critics into the tinfoil hat category.

 

[artsouth]

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Upon slowing down the video, one will notice there is an ?explosive event? BEFORE the plane impacts the North Tower (the first impact). The second plane has a large pod attached to its lower fuselage and the plane fires a missile into the South Tower immediately before impact! We have also discovered what appears to be a bomb under one wing of the alleged Flight 175. The same plane sprays jet fuel from two points under its fuselage. And a bright white laser light appears on the face of the World Trade Center in the last seconds prior to impact, apparently guiding the plane into the Tower.


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At the Pentagon we cannot find any evidence that a Boeing 757 crashed into it. We have found photographic proof of aircraft parts that do not belong to a 757 and individuals apparently planting some of the few pieces of wreckage. Without subpoena authority it is impossible to find out exactly what happened at the Pentagon, it is enough for us in finding out what didn?t happen. All the surveillance video tapes were seized within moments by FBI and have never been released, except for 5 frames from one surveillance camera supposedly showing the aircraft impact ? and it clearly does not show a Boeing 757. It?s that simple. Flight 77, a +200,000 pound Boeing 757 never crashed into the Pentagon. Further, Flight 77 is not listed in the official government Bureau of Transportation Statistics database as a flight that day. Oddly enough, a large percentage of that flight were Pentagon employees and defense contractors! The pilot, Charles Burlingame III, was a retired Naval Reserve officer who had recently worked in the Pentagon in anti-terrorist strategies and had written the response plan for a plane crash into the Pentagon.








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[artsouth]

Re: 9/11 Revisited Again

here is the link to the site of the above post, so really interesting footage....

http://www.911wasalie.com/phpwebsite/index...page&PAGE_id=43

 

[waroftheworlds]

Re: 9/11 Revisited Again

I've been interested in building design and construction for a long time now and looking at some of the articles and posts above, I think some people are taking them at face value rather than looking at the other side of the story.

Firstly with regards to the collapse of the WTC towers. The core was designed, as is rightly said, to support the building weight multiple times over, and house lifts, ducting, cables, electricity, gas, water and stairs as well, to create an open-plan working area. In my mind there is no doubt that the core failed on at least one building though I cannot remember if it was WTC 1 or 2. If you look at footage of the building coming down, on one of the towers you can plainly see that the core remains intact for a few seconds AFTER the building collapses round it.

What I am putting to you now is that there was another factor aside from possible core breakdown and that is the floor structure. The floors were made up of trusses- think of thick, crossbraced lattice structures, going vertically, supporting a floor on top and ceiling underneath- thats what the floors of the WTC were made of. These were (supposed to be) sprayed with a fire proof foam layer to prevent fire and heat getting to the trusses- if heat and fire get to them they are as good as guaranteed to collapse.

Before 9/11, a survey was undertaken on the trusses to assess the condition of the fire proofing. It was found that large sections, particularly around the joints between the outer 'skin' of the tower and the inner core, were largely unprotected as well as the cross bracing on the crossbraces. This means that large amounts of heat and flame were probably able to get to the trusses and warp them to the point that they would collapse- think of heating a plastic rod while holding it horizontal.

The above argument explains the collapse of the floors in both the buildings. On just one of the two towers, the aircraft collision was such that the aircraft penetrated the core of the building, meaning that the structure was weakened because the flame and heat had a way of getting into the core- the core was protected by sheets of fireproof cladding. I believe this was blown off the core during the collision of the aircraft which allowed for heat to penetrate the core of the building.

The reason that the core stayed intact on one building and didn't on another was again caused by the collision of the aircraft- one managed to penetrate the core and the other did not.

What we have to remember is that the building was designed in the 1960's, and only built to withstand the impact of the biggest and fastest commercial airliner then- the 707. Fire caused by fuel was not considered- only impact. Aircraft have moved on. Nor can we say 'Well, another steelframed building caught fire and didn't collapse....' Each building design is different! One building could stay perfectly in shape but a similar sized building with a different construction method could topple like a house of cards. The method of construction used for the WTC was designed to allow quick and cheap building, unlike many other construction methods.

 

[Timmy G]

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The reason that the core stayed intact on one building and didn't on another was again caused by the collision of the aircraft- one managed to penetrate the core and the other did not.

The main question I have is this: Why did the one hit 'indirectly', also know as the second tower hit, collapse first - quite a bit sooner than the one which was hit directly? Doesn't quite make sense to me...