Carbon Dioxide and Earth

[MODAT7]

CO2 is a lagging indicator, and most "scientists" tend to forget that when given grants by global warming alarmists groups to find more global warming instead of truth.

CO2 is going much higher NATURALLY as the planet warms. It's in their own graphs that they shove in our faces but nobody bothers to actually read.

 

[Beholder]

CO2 is a lagging indicator, and most "scientists" tend to forget that when given grants by global warming alarmists groups to find more global warming instead of truth.

CO2 is going much higher NATURALLY as the planet warms. It's in their own graphs that they shove in our faces but nobody bothers to actually read.

The problem is that we only have reliable measurements going back 800000 years from soil samples, and we have the highest CO2 and heat for the last 800000 years. I guess we would have to go back to a mass extinction millions of years ago to find a similar sudden increase in carbon that plants and animals are struggling with adapting to. Evolution is working on it as we speak and gets help from gene manipulation, but slowing down emissions would give evolution more time to adapt.

It is like mankind tipped over the first piece in a row of dominoe bricks and now the melting ice will release lots of trapped methane from rotten plants and animals. Not much we can do to stop it from happening once tipping points are reached, but the slower the better.

 

[Einstein]

The problem is that we only have reliable measurements going back 800000 years from soil samples, and we have the highest CO2 and heat for the last 800000 years. I guess we would have to go back to a mass extinction millions of years ago to find a similar sudden increase in carbon that plants and animals are struggling with adapting to. Evolution is working on it as we speak and gets help from gene manipulation, but slowing down emissions would give evolution more time to adapt.

It is like mankind tipped over the first piece in a row of dominoe bricks and now the melting ice will release lots of trapped methane from rotten plants and animals. Not much we can do to stop it from happening once tipping points are reached, but the slower the better.

Sorry to inform you, but you are wrong. Your narrative is false. CO2 has been declining from a level of 14% from millions of years ago. Life flourished back then. There were no deserts. Vegetation was everywhere.

Right now we have lots of deserts all over the planet. Whole species are dying out. And have been doing so for quite a while. More CO2 would just reverse the direction of the decline.

 

[Beholder]

Sorry to inform you, but you are wrong. Your narrative is false. CO2 has been declining from a level of 14% from millions of years ago. Life flourished back then. There were no deserts. Vegetation was everywhere.

Right now we have lots of deserts all over the planet. Whole species are dying out. And have been doing so for quite a while. More CO2 would just reverse the direction of the decline.

If you make it slowly, but the current pace is causing drought from increased evaporation of groundwater. Plants are getting wiped out when changes are too sudden.

 

[Einstein]

If you make it slowly, but the current pace is causing drought from increased evaporation of groundwater. Plants are getting wiped out when changes are too sudden.

It is kind of odd that these claims of yours appear to have no scientific backing. The current decline in vegetation could most certainly be attributed to worldwide wildfires. The rate of CO2 being reintroduced into the atmosphere is more than a 1000 times what fossil fuels are doing. Don't you ever stop to think that real scientific facts tell a completely different story than the wild stuff that you claim?

 

[Beholder]

It is kind of odd that these claims of yours appear to have no scientific backing. The current decline in vegetation could most certainly be attributed to worldwide wildfires. The rate of CO2 being reintroduced into the atmosphere is more than a 1000 times what fossil fuels are doing. Don't you ever stop to think that real scientific facts tell a completely different story than the wild stuff that you claim?

The wildfires are caused by evaporated groundwater, which is caused by rising temperature, which is caused by burning of fossile fuel. As I said, a dominoe effect where the direct cause does not matter, only the end result.

 

[Einstein]

I would have said lightning as the primary cause. Google search also claims so:

"Naturally occurring wildfires are most frequently caused by lightning. There are also volcanic, meteor, and coal-seam fires, depending on the circumstances."

The second natural source would be wind. Adjacent trees may have branches close enough to rub together in high winds. Creating enough friction to cause the branches to ignite letting embers scatter spreading the fire rapidly.

A 3rd natural source could be deer running through dry brush causing static discharges which could be a source of wildfire ignition.

 

[Beholder]

I would have said lightning as the primary cause. Google search also claims so:

"Naturally occurring wildfires are most frequently caused by lightning. There are also volcanic, meteor, and coal-seam fires, depending on the circumstances."

The second natural source would be wind. Adjacent trees may have branches close enough to rub together in high winds. Creating enough friction to cause the branches to ignite letting embers scatter spreading the fire rapidly.

A 3rd natural source could be deer running through dry brush causing static discharges which could be a source of wildfire ignition.

These are all ignition sources, unable to sustain a fire if the ground is not dry enough. If the groundwater is depleted, there will always be plenty of ignition sources and you only need one.

 

[Einstein]

These are all ignition sources, unable to sustain a fire if the ground is not dry enough. If the groundwater is depleted, there will always be plenty of ignition sources and you only need one.

I don't buy your narrative. Ground water is continuously replenished from osmosis through the ground using the planets oceans as the source of water.

 

[PaulaJedi]

If you make it slowly, but the current pace is causing drought from increased evaporation of groundwater. Plants are getting wiped out when changes are too sudden.

Earth cannot run out of water. It simply relocates. Water doesn't disappear into space. And please explain where the drought is located. It's not here in Florida. We're having a very wet winter.