Could this be the rift that starts the civil war?

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Now we all ready have seen what dedicated right wing nutcases do when there is a grave injustice. I truly have a bad feeling about what will happen after Terri is pronounced dead which I'm thinking will be sometime this weekend.[/b]
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I do as well Phantom. People are emotionally charged on this subject (as you can see throughout this thread). The ones on the front line are even worse. Michael has already gotten approval from the court for Terri to be cremated immediately upon her death so that no autopsy can be performed. The protestors are going to go crazy.

How is getting arrested going to help Terri? The judges aren't sitting their thinking "OMG I need to rule that the feeding tube be reinserted because 10 year olds are getting arrested." Letters and phone calls would have carried much more weight. An indepth investigation on Michael Shiavo would have done much more to save Terri than what these protestors are doing.

National Guard? We saw what a great job they did at Kent State University 30 some years ago. Be afraid, be very afraid.
 
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Ditto on the bad feeling the summer before 9/11. I was a few miles from the WTC on 9/11 and my experiences that day led me to beleive that the govt. hasn't the slightest interest in protecting citizens.

As much of a human tragedy as this case is, I think it's being cynically used in an attempt to divide people against each other. I can only hope that it will fail to do that.

Seeing that 10 year old in handcuffs really gives me a knot in my stomach.
 
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Police 'showdown' averted


Hours after a judge ordered that Terri Schiavo was not to be removed from her hospice, a team of state agents were en route to seize her and have her feeding tube reinserted -- but they stopped short when local police told them they would enforce the judge's order, The Herald has learned.

Agents of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement told police in Pinellas Park, the small town where Schiavo lies at Hospice Woodside, on Thursday that they were on the way to take her to a hospital to resume her feeding.

For a brief period, local police, who have officers at the hospice to keep protesters out, prepared for what sources called ``a showdown.''

In the end, the squad from the FDLE and the Department of Children & Families backed down, apparently concerned about confronting local police outside the hospice.

''We told them that unless they had the judge with them when they came, they were not going to get in,'' said a source with the local police.

more?
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/11233240.htm
 
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I couldn't get to the Miami Herald article without registering, but found another version of this story.


"The incident, known only to a few, underscores the intense emotion and murky legal terrain that the Schiavo case has created. It also shows that agencies answering directly to Florida Gov. Jeb Bush had planned to use a wrinkle in state law that would have allowed them to legally get around the judge's order. The exception in the law allows public agencies to freeze a judge's order whenever an agency appeals it.

Participants in the high-stakes test of wills, who spoke with The Miami Herald on the condition of anonymity, said they believed the standoff could ultimately have led to a constitutional crisis - and a confrontation between dueling lawmen.

"There were two sets of law enforcement officers facing off, waiting for the other to blink," said one official with knowledge of Thursday morning's activities. In jest, one official said local police discussed "whether we had enough officers to hold off the NationalGuard."

"It was kind of a showdown on the part of the locals and the state police," the official said. "It was not too long after that Jeb Bush was on TV saying that, evidently, he doesn't have as much authority as people think."

State officials on Friday vigorously denied the notion that any "showdown" occurred."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ze_exclusive_wa
 
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The kid is in metal handcuffs for gosh sakes!
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Plastic ones hurt alot worse.



\"There were two sets of law enforcement officers facing off, waiting for the other to blink,\" said one official with knowledge of Thursday morning's activities. In jest, one official said local police discussed \"whether we had enough officers to hold off the NationalGuard.\"

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That is no joke
 
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Where were this kids parents? Did they put him up to this? If they did, what the hell were they thinking?? Did they hope that because it's a child that 'everything' would be ok? This strikes me as some adults in a particular 'faction' pushing the envelope in order to gain more for their side of the issue.
 
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I knew Michael wanted her cremated but I didnt realize he had a court order allowing for it right after her death. And I thought Yassa Arafat's funeral was a riot. Its gonna be nothing compared to this.

As for these kids, they keep saying they are doing Gods will.

I've always had trouble believing a kid could even possibly comprehend what Gods will is on his own.

But I guess if Mommy and Daddy say Jesus wants us to go get arrested because we have to giver her water...its not like they have a choice in the matter.
 
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http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/cont...327schiavo.html

Makeshift services held outside Schiavo hospice
By Thomas R. Collins
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Sunday, March 27

PINELLAS PARK ? Protesters outside Hospice House Woodside worshiped in a makeshift Easter church service without the church on Sunday morning, calling again for a miracle to save Terri Schiavo, who neared the end of her ninth day without food and water.

After the service, the two pastors who led the service were arrested in their Communion delivery efforts without incident.

About 25 demonstrators took improvised Holy Communion: pieces of Saltine crackers kept in a Styrofoam bowl and tropical fruit juice served in Dixie cups. The donation box was a plastic container commonly found in kitchen cupboards.

News photographers stepped between the singing worshipers to snap pictures and the pastors' voices competed with those of TV reporters doing live shots.

"We're stopping the culture of death in its tracks today," said pastor Rick Barnard of Illinois. "We're doing it with the blood of Jesus because we know this is a spiritual battle."
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Then he and pastor Chet Gallagher from San Jose said they would try to take Communion to Schiavo.

"As we're doing this, we're praying that God can work a miracle," Gallagher said.

A short time later, Barnard and Gallagher took turns kneeling before Pinellas Park police officers and asking that they be allowed to take Schiavo Holy Communion. An officer calmly took Barnard's bible then cuffed him. Gallagher's arrest was similarly subdued.

Worshipers said the service may have been unusual, but it was necessary.

"I would not have preferred to spend Easter anywhere else," said Dawn Kozsey, from the Ocala area of Florida. "We spent the night here under God's glorious heaven."

The demonstrations became a bit more confrontational when two men from Denver heckled police guarding the entrance to the hospice grounds, calling them "cowards" for heeding the advice of the court and not allowing demonstrators to take food and water to the 41-year-old woman.

"She is being murdered with your protection," hollered Karl Henderson, 25, of Denver Bible Church, who was visiting with Doug McBurney, 36.

One officer said his way of dealing with the protests was simple: "Ignore it," he said.
 
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Looks like the nutbags are gettin riled up


Uneasy street: Furor at hospice riles neighbors


PINELLAS PARK -- It's a dead-end street less than a half-mile long that for days has been center stage in a historic right-to-life drama.

Near one end of 102nd Avenue is Triple O Auto, where Scotty Jackson, a single father raising two sons, has grown used to being cussed at and ridiculed by people clutching Bibles and waving signs.

Near the other end is the misnamed Oceanside Estates, a government-subsidized apartment complex for the elderly and the disabled. There, Rick Avant can't stroll the grounds without cops descending on bikes and golf carts to warn him away from the fence.

In the middle is Woodside Hospice, an X-shaped set of one-story, red-brick buildings and villas where Terri Schiavo will die, probably within days.

Neither Jackson nor Avant, strangers from either side of the street, minds uninvited guests. But the throngs gathered on 102nd Avenue often have displayed little appreciation for niceties, and some have been downright rude.

Since March 18 when Schiavo's feeding tube was removed under court order, Jackson, 44, a good-natured South Dakotan, has run out of patience with protesters who think nothing of blocking his garage-bay doors with their cars, jeopardizing his livelihood.

When Jackson asked one man to move his car, the visitor screamed an obscenity at the garage owner, and "then he walked off with a Bible in his hand."

Triple O stands for On Our Own, and there are times when Jackson struggles to pay his bills and is forced to work on a Sunday -- upsetting one protester, who heckled him about working on the day of rest.

Jackson's a tough guy, a burly 266-pounder who has survived two near-fatal motorcycle accidents. So he can take the abuse. But what bothers him more than anything are the children, caught up in the dispute that has divided a family and the nation.

Like the students at Cross Bayou Elementary, on the west side of the hospice, who needed a police escort as they arrived at school. On the day Schiavo's feeding tube was pulled, 200 of the students stayed home.

Or the 10-year-old who was arrested trying to take a cup of water to Schiavo, with his father standing proudly nearby. Or the 7- or 8-year-olds he has seen wearing T-shirts bearing fetuses and the words "Abortion kills."

"When I was 7 or 8, I don't even know about the birds or the bees," Jackson said. "Why are they wearing anti-abortion T-shirts? Why are they even here? To me, that's just parents drilling beliefs in their heads. To me, that's just brainwashing."

A block to the east, in the parking lot of Oceanside Estates, Avant is heartsick about the kids, too. If their parents want to come down, that's fine, he said, but leave the children at home.

The former chef in Massachusetts, who has been unable to work since he mangled his arm in a factory accident, is most troubled by thoughts of the 70 other patients who are dying at the hospice next door.

None of the men and women venture out anymore to sit in the manicured garden, taking in the fresh air and listening to music as they live out their last days. And their loved ones can't visit without going through checkpoints, security clearances and a macabre death vigil: the women with black lips and faux blood dripping down their faces, the guy with the bullhorn warning about damnation, the signs that demonize Terri Schiavo's husband as a murderer and adulterer, the man cradling the skeleton.

"Honestly, I think more of the people whose lives are being interfered with than I do about Terri," Avant said. "It's sad, they can't enjoy their own back yard. Just 15 minutes ago the SWAT team came through the parking lot."

Carrying a bowl of deviled eggs, Sharon Turner of Clearwater conceded the crowds have made it tough to visit a friend dying of cancer at the hospice. Barred from taking a camera to the room, Turner said, she couldn't even snap a picture of the 75-year-old woman clasping a bouquet of flowers she had just received. There, has, however, been an upside.

"There are so many cops inside, and they are so nice, my friend is really enjoying them," Turner said. "I don't know what she'll do when they go away. She'll probably be bored. . . ."

Avant, meanwhile, longs for peace and a return to civility on 102nd Avenue.

For a few days, he joined the throng, holding a sign that read, "The Christian right is America's Taliban." But he no longer feels safe on the street.

And Avant, who used to work in a home for the mentally challenged, doesn't agree with advocates for the disabled -- and some of his neighbors -- who see Schiavo's death as a doorway to euthanasia, where the imperfect or the unwhole are at risk.

"Believe me, the rights of the handicapped and the disabled are not being taken away," Avant said. "If anything, the radical right is trying to take away the rights of the average American citizen."

Yet, as night fell Saturday and protesters lined up for a candlelight vigil, 102nd Avenue remained a crucible of American rights, those of the demonstrators, the neighbors and one dying woman.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/...ack=1&cset=true
 

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