"A: Everything in life hangs in balance by the threat of force or violence.
The only reason as to why you aren't assaulted every time you step outside (or
into a store for example), is because deep down.. people fear what you may do
in return (fight back). This is simply nature. You talk as if it's a bad
thing. If there were no threat of violence (or force), there'd be total chaos
and anarchy. People are like kids, if kids are never spanked (or there is no
threat of spanking), they tear everything down"
You confuse rightful defense with violence. Violence is an act of abuse, while
defense is a response to violence.
And anarchy is not chaos. It is a means of social organization absent
systematic violence, also described as "Order without Power", as Anarchy means
"No Rulers". Libertarianism is the 'how to' of Anarchy.
"B: "right to own and any all property acquired through honest means" What is
honest means? Let's say (for instance), a woman is property of a man. Ok. I
see a girl, she's my wife. Now.. you also want her to be your wife. So how
will we settle this?
The courts? Before you could sue, you just took stuff or settled it like
cavemen.
What is getting it by honest means? You could say I got my wife by honest
means (I was there first!), but one may have to defend what you get by the
threat of force or violence (dishonest means)
If I go buy land, is that honest means? In America, the land you buy was most
likely stolen from Native Americans... that's theft, and genocide. Not very
honest is it?"
I already answered that. Honest means means acquiring property without
violence. If you earned and bought/traded it, or it was gifted to you, then it
is rightfully yours.
And people are not property. When you say "My wife" or "My friend, family,
neighbor, etc." It is in reference to responsibility and not property. You do
not own your wife, but rather have a responsibility towards her. ..BIG
difference.
Indians have a right to take their land back by any means necessary, because
it is theirs until they willfully sell or give it to you.
"So how will we settle this? The courts? Before you could sue, you just took
stuff or settled it like cavemen."
You don't own her, nor does the other man. Who she marries is her decision, no
one else's (except the groom must be willing, of course)
"You have a right to do whatever you want as long as it isn't violating others
- Says who?"
Reality. In the real world, people are individuals with free thought and
choice who determine their own wants, needs and values, and how to manage
their lives. To argue to the contrary is to suggest that you are property or a
slave, subject to the whims of others.
"Simply put, if you are pulled over with a ton of guns and ammo.. and you say
"i'm a sovereign citizen, you're not real. You're not the boss of me!". Not
only will you get tazed, but you will be jailed for not cooperating with a
sworn officer of the law. Basically, that's not fictitious authority. That's
real authority."
You confuse force with authority. Pigs have force. Their authority only
extends to willing serfs who demand their violence, and not according to
geography as they claim.
"We are subject to laws of people (see: government) whom we pay our taxes
(kind of like rent. We pay them $$$ in the form of taxes for the privilege of
living in their borders, we abide by their terms..If you break those terms,
you go to jail) we pay taxes to.
Anyone refusing to obey the law, is a criminal, an outlaw and is living
outside of those laws. What's more is, people who claim that the laws and
rules don't apply to them.. are the first ones to call for 911 and help when
SHTF."
You confuse crime with social order, theft with contribution or a willing two
party exchange, rightful existence with privilege, etc.
You are not subject to the laws of the people, as people have absolutely no
right whatsoever to dictate the terms and conditions of your life or property,
either by proxy or directly. The people have no right to form a government
that claims jurisdiction over anyone who does not agree to them. Government is
simply a system of violence because it does everything with coercion and
threat of force.
Taxes are theft, extortion, by definition. The taking of property against
consent of the owner is theft. It matters not how or why, if it is taking
something against the owner's permission, it is theft, a form of violence. No
one has a right to steal. Using coercion, a threat of force, to take property
is extortion.
The law is criminal. People who disobey the law are not criminal for
disobedience.
Law/government is a bunch of people hiring others to say magic special words
at a religious ceremony, then writing and signing papers that dictate what
everyone is a specified geographical area is to be and do and own, etc. ..or
be hunted and either caged, assaulted or even killed for disobedience. That is
called organized crime, systematic violence, or a violent religious cult.
Government is one form of organized crime. To argue otherwise is to suggest
that anyone has a right to own another simply by having a religious ceremony
and claiming as such.
If I chant some magic words and write down that I own you, then dress up in a
super-hero costume, does it make me your master to do with as I please? Of
course not. That is exactly what government is.
If I were to try it anyway and you disobeyed or shot me or whatever, does it
make you a criminal? Of course not. Why? Because I have no right to do that.
So what is the difference between that and government? - principally, nothing.
"Did you just advocate for the murder of a police officer? That's
communicating threats, perhaps even terroristic threats. Jesus. Someone get a
mod in here, what is life."
No. That is called defense. Just because a pig has funny clothes or says magic
words does not give them authority or a right to control/threaten/violate you.
Killing a pig is not murder - it is defense. Everyone has a right to defense
against violence.
"No, you can't kill anyone especially not police officers.. because you WILL
be stuck in a small cage, forced to live like a rat and essentially, be stuck
in a human zoo until you leave this Earth. 0/10. Would not recommend anyone
listen to this guy."
The consequences are dependent upon their ability to enFORCE it. But you
indeed have a right to defend yourself against acts of violence by whatever
means necessary or available, whether they are pigs or not.
"Believe what you will politically, but it is force which will either make
your ideas just that.. ideas, or will make those ideas, the actual law. The
only way to get change is through force and violence, that's just how it is.
Any ideology centered around, not using force.. just isn't gonna work, quite
frankly."
That is retarded. You are essentially arguing that violence is what gives
something legitimacy.
"You start off talking about getting property honestly (like buying already
stolen land), and then you proceed to say just go kill a bunch of cops. Are
you on medication? (serious non-rhetorical question)"
You grossly misinterpret and skew the position, as well as respond with ad-
hominem. I stand by my position that cops are criminals and the right to
defense applies to their violence.
Who has a right to violate? No one. ...not even a piece of shit in funny
clothes with a gun who goes to church.
Florida House voted YES to allow teachers to be armed. Governor will sign.
