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Many issues to address here:

Sammy, please post just once a day in this thread and place all of your questions in that post. Not only will this make it easier to read, but it will be easier for HDRkid to reply.

Is HDRkid a fraud or not? I don't know.

Is his machine making him astrally travel or is it a sort of mind control device that causes him to dream the future? I don't know.

Does he own a machine? I don't know, but that is something he could prove to us via a picture of him with his device or a short film showing how he uses this device and what happens as he astrally travels. Would it be possible for you to do this for us HDRkid?

HDRkids notes/stories are engaging and facinating. He has been kind enough to answer questions. He has been patient and polite to all of the members and has not flamed.

Jumping up and down and screaming hoax/fraud is not helpful or productive. He cannot prove it and no one can disprove it in my opinion. The only thing it will do is cause a flamewar and some members to leave or be warned.

Lets be kind and play nice :)

"Mom"
 
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Your right Sue, we do not need to scream when we point out that the HDR is $300 worth of crap. We don't need histrionics to let the kid know that his claims of the future are about as interesting and or ingageing as someone reiterating known stories for discussion. We do not need to jump up and down to point out the use of a dangerous Placebo like this has ramifications well past what the kid or the inventor can support.

In fact Sue, we don't need to make any one feel bad or try to make them feel foolish for all these wild claims about one of the latest Radionics hoaxes.

Each of us Should do a search on Radionics. There in we will find more electrical geegaws, doodads and electrical wastes of money than you can shake a stick at, and all the very best that your money can buy, and be sure not to pay any attention to the bottom of the site where they claim that medical experts do not agree with the sites claims that all the machines work wonders.

I am just sorry that we cant hook up this thread to a hose and pump out a load or two. Farmers can use the product and we could use the money for the Board.

If there seems to be a Majority here that thinks HDRkids thread is just so much horse cookies and they have stated their opinion regarding that, that would indicate much more than a simple flame issue.

Stating my position that even if the kid came up with a picture would not prove anything. THAT is half of the point, the kid cannot prove anything regarding his claims. It's not about what he may or may not own, the other half of the point is it about how he refuses to answer the issue about accepting responsibility for his actions and for those that follow his claims and get mixed up in ANY way shape or form. This is not a flame it is a viable concern.
 
HDRKid

Originally posted by StarLord@Oct 7 2004, 10:19 AM
I am just sorry that we cant hook up this thread to a hose and pump out a load or two. Farmers can use the product and we could use the money for the Board.
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Yes Star, I'm sure you and many others feel that way. That was why I said that his "stories" were engaging and facinating. Meaning that it could all be made up. I have been trying to keep an open mind about this.

If there seems to be a Majority here that thinks HDRkids thread is just so much horse cookies and they have stated their opinion regarding that, that would indicate much more than a simple flame issue.
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You're right Star. I did make a mistake here. I am a moderator, I am to represent the members. I was out to protect only one of the members (HDRkid) instead of the majority of the members may feel the same as you. I was worried about people ganging up on a kid that had been nice to everyone so far. He's been a model member.

There in we will find more electrical geegaws, doodads and electrical wastes of money than you can shake a stick at, and all the very best that your money can buy, and be sure not to pay any attention to the bottom of the site where they claim that medical experts do not agree with the sites claims that all the machines work wonders.
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the other half of the point is it about how he refuses to answer the issue about accepting responsibility for his actions and for those that follow his claims and get mixed up in ANY way shape or form. This is not a flame it is a viable concern.
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Star, here is where I have failed again. I have been reading his thread like a story, with an open mind. I honestly don't know about these products. I should have been listening to those that DO know about these products.

Maybe the questions I should be asking right now are:

Are these products available to anyone, including children?
Are these products safe?
By allowing this thread to continue, are we promoting this product?
How would I feel if a person reading this thread, bought this product that might be unsafe, and something happened to them?

I'd like to hear how the members feel, as well as HDRkid feels about all of this.

"Mom"
 
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Sue, you have not failed in any sense of the word. I did feel the need to bear the brunt of possible displeasure to make you and others aware of certain points regarding this thread.

How can we qualify wether something / machine that may or may not create mental aberations be safe?

No test data from an accredited laboratory has been produced in regards to the magnetic field and its potential physical harm.

Not once has HDRkid stated plainly that he would be responsible for his claims both for the unit but even more importantly, he would be resopnsible for anything associated with his claims involving other people that are going to use this. My main point here is one of moral responsibility. This unit is at best a Placebo and at worst a potential hazard.

This should be enough, if not I'll go indepth later.
 
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Everyone
Hi All I am finally back on the internet I had to move to another house and I didn't get my internet back until today well I just wanted to let everyone know I will try and chat some more later and thanks for being patient in letting me tell you all this well I will talk with you all later I will be back tommorrow to talk and such!
 
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Hi Frog:

Thanks for posting.


Hi Starlord:
No test data from an accredited laboratory has been produced in regards to the magnetic field and its potential physical harm.

I don't think it is a good idea to be exposed to a high magnetic field. Still MRI uses a high magnetic field and people seem OK. I have noticed a lot of spooky events after using the HDR.


Hi Sosuemetoo:

Are these products available to anyone, including children?
Steven Gibbs will not sell the HDR to a person under 18.

Are these products safe?
My HDR has never cause me any problems. Its an electromagnet.

By allowing this thread to continue, are we promoting this product?
I want other people using the HDR to post their travels, or rather travails. You are not always sent to a nice place. Seeing the future can be compared to reading your sister's diary. Are you sure you want to know the truth?

How would I feel if a person reading this thread, bought this product that might be unsafe, and something happened to them?
I worry that somebody might use the HDR for physical time travel and get trapped on another timeline. Also, that they might find out something that they are not supposed to know. LIKE moms getting divorced in a year.


Hi TheHeggy:

These people claiming that the HDR really helps them travel through time are wearing my patience thinner and thinner.
I have already stated that you do not need the HDR for astral time travel. Some people can use a little help. For example, an 86 year old man uses a cane to walk.
Saying "Throw that cane away!" is great when you are healthy.


Hi Sammy:

I wish I could tell you that Pepsi comes out with a new grape fizzy, but in my jump yesterday to 2009. I tried to go back to see what was happening. What I saw left me quite sad.

There was a train station full of people leaving the cities. I saw people hugging and crying. Pres Kerry gave the order for people to leave the big cities and go to temp shelters away from high population zones.

Many people chose to stay, but put their children on trains that would send their children far away.

Highways were jammed with people leaving the cities. It was a sight I will never forget. The look of sadness on people's faces.

John Titor says that the AFE herded people into compact cities. I saw quite the opposite. In fact, the city is the worst place to be in a war.

Many people think the HDR is a toy and this is all a game, but for me this is a very sad day. I always wanted to know what happened in the future, and now that I know I wish I never found out. :(
 
HDRKid

Originally posted by hdrkid
Hi TheHeggy:

These people claiming that the HDR really helps them travel through time are wearing my patience thinner and thinner.
I have already stated that you do not need the HDR for astral time travel. Some people can use a little help. For example, an 86 year old man uses a cane to walk.
Saying \"Throw that cane away!\" is great when you are healthy.
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Then why do you use it? If you can not use it, why not try not too use it for once. It DOES NOTHING. Absolutely nothing. I don't care if the clocks started to spin backwards, or if other spooky occurances happend to you. How do you know its not a mischeaveous spirit playing tricks onto you? They know your fearing them. Stop, and they'll stop as well.
 
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HDRkid,

Then why dont you take your electromagnet, make a web site dedicated to the use of your placebo and you and all your fellow users can talk about all the places you thought you were? Why dump your trash here?

I am not trying to be unfriendly. You simply have not caught on to the fact that you have proved to me that you are not a valid source for information that I can trust. Your experiences are only for you and have no real bearing on Reality.

Please do yourself and us a favor, go play elsewhere. When you actually travel in time, YOU AND YOUR BODY, then come and try to BS your way here.
 
HDRKid

Originally posted by hdrkid@Oct 8 2004, 12:00 PM


By allowing this thread to continue, are we promoting this product?
I want other people using the HDR to post their travels, or rather travails. You are not always sent to a nice place. Seeing the future can be compared to reading your sister's diary. Are you sure you want to know the truth?

How would I feel if a person reading this thread, bought this product that might be unsafe, and something happened to them?
I worry that somebody might use the HDR for physical time travel and get trapped on another timeline. Also, that they might find out something that they are not supposed to know. LIKE moms getting divorced in a year.


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Hi Sammy:

I wish I could tell you that Pepsi comes out with a new grape fizzy, but in my jump yesterday to 2009. I tried to go back to see what was happening. What I saw left me quite sad.

There was a train station full of people leaving the cities. I saw people hugging and crying. Pres Kerry gave the order for people to leave the big cities and go to temp shelters away from high population zones.

Many people chose to stay, but put their children on trains that would send their children far away.

Highways were jammed with people leaving the cities. It was a sight I will never forget. The look of sadness on people's faces.

John Titor says that the AFE herded people into compact cities. I saw quite the opposite. In fact, the city is the worst place to be in a war.

Many people think the HDR is a toy and this is all a game, but for me this is a very sad day. I always wanted to know what happened in the future, and now that I know I wish I never found out. :(
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And I wish you'd never told us.

Time to blow the whistle on this guy before the forum becomes a laughingstock.
 
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