Debunking I Will now Debunk John Titor 1

[Ren]

I recognized the same posting style and the same idioms used on anomalies.net by a person who continued to post there long after John Titor supposedly left and this guy pretended to be an alien on the forum. He is none other than John Rick Haber and his nephew. This was confirmed by the moderators of the forum who called him out on it.

He posted as John Titor for a long time and after awhile much of his story started to conflict. It completely broke down.

However, what if real time-travelers or aliens or prophets of some kind work with him to deliver really important messages?

Here is a damning article that exposes John Titor for a hoaxer. Only a gullible reader who really wants to believe and suspend disbelief would say that John here is the real thing.
http://hoaxes.livejournal.com/90359.html#cutid1

HOAXHUNTER - Investigating and Exposing Hoaxes (Hoax Hunter): JOHN TITOR RAZIMUS REPORT (REVISED: FEB 25th)

That does not mean there aren't real John Titors out there.

 

[temporal recon]

How do you explain his knowledge of the Optical Frequency Comb, Mr. Ren?

 

[titorite]

Hoax hunter got it very wrong... They settled for flimsy and questionable circumstantial evidence as rock soild recorded evidence....

I am very unimpressed with hoax hunter Razimus.... He reminds me of others that faked some of the identities involved in the John Titor event.

 

[Ren]

Hoax hunter got it very wrong... They settled for flimsy and questionable circumstantial evidence as rock soild recorded evidence....

I am very unimpressed with hoax hunter Razimus.... He reminds me of others that faked some of the identities involved in the John Titor event.

Hoax Hunter Razimus was actually caught trying to imitate John Titor originally and that is when he went on this personal crusade to identify all the others who imitated John Titor.

 

[Ren]

How do you explain his knowledge of the Optical Frequency Comb, Mr. Ren?

This is just my guess. I'm not certain of it. But I believe that someone who does know the future is in contact with one or more of these hoaxers and feeding them suggestions and information. So while the John Titor Foundation may be making money, I believe they might be earning it because of the useful insights that have come from those hoaxers.

What kind of fortune tellers are in contact with them? Aliens? Time-Travelers? Prophets of some kind? I don't know. I just know that John Titor was faking it all but had moments of clarity about what is going to happen.

 

[miniatus28]

How do you explain his knowledge of the Optical Frequency Comb, Mr. Ren?

I am new here, so forgive me butting into an old thread.


Just wanted to point out that the Optical Frequency Comb was being worked on while Titor was still active.. In other words it wasn't some future prediction that came true.. I'll go into more detail.

Citation: "Highly selective terahertz optical frequency comb generator" dated 1997
Optics InfoBase: Optics Letters - Highly selective terahertz optical frequency comb generator

Citation: "Efficient optical frequency-comb generator" dated 1995
Optics InfoBase: Optics Letters - Efficient optical frequency-comb generator

So these are from 1995 and 1997 .. 1995 is as far back as I decided to look since the first blip on the radar by John Titor was 1998 when a fax went into Coast to Coast, he didn't start forum posting until around 2000 and stopped in 2001.. this means Optical Frequency Comb generators were already around, the technology was being actively worked on and studied a good 3 years before he said a word.. I didn't try to go further than 1995 but I wouldn't be surprised if there's even older papers on OCF.. I know searching in just the time spans I searched, I found pages and pages of article links on the topic.

The man who is believed to be Titor, John Rick Haber, is a computer scientist and from the postings alone he's obviously avid into technology. His knowledge of the IBM 5100's rare capabilities show that.. But even that wasn't UNKNOWN.. It was even being mentioned on the internet at the time he was around, and it was widely known in the computer industry..

So .. his knowledge of Optical Frequency Comb's ultimately means nothing.. that technology pre-dated Titor's first appearance by several years, at least.. I think Haber is our man.

 

[temporal recon]

How do you explain his knowledge of the Optical Frequency Comb, Mr. Ren?

I am new here, so forgive me butting into an old thread.
Just wanted to point out that the Optical Frequency Comb was being worked on while Titor was still active.. In other words it wasn't some future prediction that came true.. I'll go into more detail.
Citation: "Highly selective terahertz optical frequency comb generator" dated 1997
Optics InfoBase: Optics Letters - Highly selective terahertz optical frequency comb generator
Citation: "Efficient optical frequency-comb generator" dated 1995
Optics InfoBase: Optics Letters - Efficient optical frequency-comb generator
So these are from 1995 and 1997 .. 1995 is as far back as I decided to look since the first blip on the radar by John Titor was 1998 when a fax went into Coast to Coast, he didn't start forum posting until around 2000 and stopped in 2001.. this means Optical Frequency Comb generators were already around, the technology was being actively worked on and studied a good 3 years before he said a word.. I didn't try to go further than 1995 but I wouldn't be surprised if there's even older papers on OCF.. I know searching in just the time spans I searched, I found pages and pages of article links on the topic.
The man who is believed to be Titor, John Rick Haber, is a computer scientist and from the postings alone he's obviously avid into technology. His knowledge of the IBM 5100's rare capabilities show that.. But even that wasn't UNKNOWN.. It was even being mentioned on the internet at the time he was around, and it was widely known in the computer industry..
So .. his knowledge of Optical Frequency Comb's ultimately means nothing.. that technology pre-dated Titor's first appearance by several years, at least.. I think Haber is our man.

Copied from the blog at www.convictionofatimetraveler.com

Miniatus,
Thank you for your input. You bring up two topics, one that is the Optical Frequency Comb and the other being the Segway. Taking one a time and starting with the OFC, you are correct that it "existed" as early as the mid-1990's, but only as a research project. It was only until after John left did three physicists share the Nobel prize for physics for its development. What this means is that the OFC became "widely known" and in the public domain (so to speak) after the Nobel Prize was awarded. Before this time (2003, I believe), any reference to the DEVELOPMENT of an OFC was decidedly in academic articles. You provide two.

What your statement presupposes is that the author was aware of a research project known only via only two, two-page articles that do not leave the academic or research environments. You are making a large assumption that the author was aware of these little-distributed research papers. One might ask, did the "Optics InfoBase" exist at the time that Titor made his statement? If not (remember, this was 2000), then we are left to assume that the author must have a subsciption to this journal. Have you any evidence of any of this?

Taking your assumptions further, you assume that the author is John Haber and taking Haber's own interest in computer science, you assume that this interest somehow correlates into optics/photonics research, atomic time keeping, time travel, etc. Again, have you any evidence of Haber's interest in, at the very least, photonics? Can you confirm Haber had a subscription to Optics Letters?

Many before you have made similar arguments to the slowly aggragating list of evidence out there. Typically, it is an argument variously stated as "easily guessed" or "already known." But as the evidence piles up, the profile for the person becomes increasingly complex and unlikely. I've asked this before: How many coincidences comprise a fact?

Returning for a moment to the two articles you refer to: Everyone here will notice that they are from the same journal. The articles citing the work on the OFC, in both instances, comprise only two pages each. Your claim is that the author was aware of a two-page article in one single journal from 3-5 years prior. And then included this knowledge in one small throw-away statement by Titor five years later. Is that correct? And that he even knew and understood what an OFC did?
And you come to this conclusion because of John Haber's interest in computers?

Let us not forget that the "Optics Letters" journal is definitively not Popular Science Magazine. It is specifically for Optics/Photonics specialists within the field, not the general public. So, not only is Haber a computer specialist, but also able to read, understand and digest topics contained within Optics Letters? I am getting more and more impressed with Mr. Haber as I learn what sort of man he must be.

While I can appreciate your research, a bit more in depth analysis is required than merely comparing dates when looking into the question of Time Travel. Many fall into this trap.

Regarding Titor's comments about the Segway, I'm afraid you have inadvertently discovered something unknown to many:

Titor's posts have been modified.​

From your referenced statement, it appears that you are referring to the johntitor.com website and the Titor posts that are posted there.
They are decidedly not virginal.

Specifically, one post by Titor speaking about Ginger (or "IT") that is missing from Oliver Williams' website is the following:

Posted by Mike Kolesnik
01-29-2001 06:38 PM
[...]
1. What was the final death count in the recent India earthquake?
2. What is the "Ginger" (IT) invention?
3. Who wins the Stanley Cup (Hockey) this year?

Posted by John Titor
01-29-2001 09:10 PM
[...]
(1). I have no idea.
(2). It looks like some sort of motorized scooter. What do you think “IT” is?
(3). I know this one but I think it would be unfair and immoral for anyone to win a bet based on something I’ve told them.

As I hope you and others reading this will see, there are two things of importance here:
1) Titor correctly described Ginger as a motorized scooter and
2) This post is NOT included in the Oliver Williams "version" of the Titor posts. WHY? It is cut out and removed in its entirety.

Again, I ask, IF Oliver Williams is the Titor fan he purports to be, why did he remove the single most obvious piece of evidence for Titor's existence as a time traveler?

For those reading this and doing their own research into the time travel question, be careful what you take as "established fact." Miniatus, I hope that you take this lead to delve deeper into this question. You will be rewarded, but not without cost. The actual truth of the Time Travel question is more complicated than many (any) give it credit for.

As Ever
TR

 

[stoplying]

temporal recon is prolly one of them, they make a habit of hitting pages people write on john titor

this was laughable when it went on in the forums because he made several comments that outed him at the time and most of us knew he was full of it, references to things that would have 0 significance to someone from the future wouldn't be repeated to confirm the legitimacy of it and as time went on he started to change the story, then bolted the moment people started to present facts that contradicted his apparent knowledge, that it grew this big is sad but the fact that they keep it going is worse.

but hey we got steins gate out of this, which was infinitely better then a story plagiarized and raped from many sources.

Like opportunity, [Truth] is something you have to be ready for to recognize it.
-John Titor

obviously truth isnt THAT important to you is it, and I'm glad your raising your kid to have the same moral integrity.

 

[Samstwitch]

temporal recon is prolly one of them, they make a habit of hitting pages people write on john titor

this was laughable when it went on in the forums because he made several comments that outed him at the time and most of us knew he was full of it, references to things that would have 0 significance to someone from the future wouldn't be repeated to confirm the legitimacy of it and as time went on he started to change the story, then bolted the moment people started to present facts that contradicted his apparent knowledge, that it grew this big is sad but the fact that they keep it going is worse.

but hey we got steins gate out of this, which was infinitely better then a story plagiarized and raped from many sources.

Like opportunity, [Truth] is something you have to be ready for to recognize it.
-John Titor

obviously truth isnt THAT important to you is it, and I'm glad your raising your kid to have the same moral integrity.

Stoplying, Now I'm very curious...

You said, "temporal recon is prolly one of them..."

Who is "them"?

You said, "this was laughable when it went on in the forums because he made several comments that outed him..."

Outed him about what?

You said, "but hey we got steins gate out of this..."

What does that mean?

"...which was infinitely better then a story plagiarized and raped from many sources..."

Who are you accusing of plagiarizing? If you're referring to TR, he didn't plagiarize. If my interpretation of your statement is wrong, please correct me.

I'm very curious about the meaning behind your Username...Who do you want to "stop lying"?

 

[Ren]

I'll take a stab because I'm bored.
"stoplying" is probably trying to say that Temporal Recon is a member of Team Titor. I happen to think so too.

Stein's Gate is a very popular Anime Japanese cartoon about time travel. John Titor turns out to be a cute Japanese girl. Most people today only know about the name of John Titor from this Anime.

Now about a plagiarized story, I think 'stoplying' might be talking about the book 'Alas Babylon' and a time travel role playing game designed by Steve Jackson. Many critics have stated that the John Titor story is taken from these sources.

As for 'rape' and 'your kid', I think that is some kind of psychotic veiled threat. 'stoplying' needs to be Prismed by the NSA. I'm going to tip them off.

Also, Sam, I'm interested in your JFK sig. Where are you discussing this?