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"The right side of his face was up. I could see his eyes were fixed. I could see into the skull, there was a hole in the skull. And you could see that part of the brain was gone. It wasn't even there."
JFK Assassination: Secret Service stand-down
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"The right side of his face was up. I could see his eyes were fixed. I could see into the skull, there was a hole in the skull. And you could see that part of the brain was gone. It wasn't even there."
george martin
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Of course Linda Willis understood a rear entry was impossible. Dr. McClelland pointed to the exact area the bullet really entered. The driver who fired the fatal shot pointed to this exact area when questioned by Arlen Specter. The specks of lead Greer was referring to were behind the right eye, the bullet's actual entry point. http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps834f3ddb.jpg
"The particular headshot must have come from another direction besides behind him because the back of his head blew off, and it doesn't make sense to be hit from the rear and still have your face intact. So he must've been hit from another position, ya know possibly, ya know in the front or over to the side, I, I really don't know where, but the back of his head blew off." Great quotes from eyewitnesses. Linda Willis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=WHvfDijnASM
Phillip Willis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Willis stated in a 1979 interview: "There's no doubt in our mind the final shot that blew his head off did not come from the depository. His head blew up like a halo. The brains and matter went to the left and the rear."
Mr. Specter.
Did you just mention, Mr. Greer, a hole in the President's head in addition to the large area of the skull which was shot away?
Mr. Greer.
No. I had just seen that, you know, the head was damaged in all this part of it but I believe looking at the X-rays, I looked at the X-rays when they were taken in the autopsy room, and the person who does that type work showed us the trace of it because there would be little specks of lead where the bullet had come from here and it came to the--they showed where it didn't come on through. It came to a sinus cavity or something they said, over the eye.
Mr. Specter.
Indicating the right eye. (Greer pointed over his right eye)
Mr. Greer.
I may be wrong.
Mr. Specter.
You don't know which eye?
Mr. Greer.
I don't know which eye, I may be wrong. But they showed us the trace of it coming through but there were very little small specks on the X-rays that these professionals knew what course that the bullet had taken, the lead.
Mr. Specter.
Would you describe in very general terms what injury you observed as to the President's head during the course of the autopsy?
Mr. Greer.
I would--to the best of my recollection it was in this part of the head right here.
Mr. Specter.
Upper right?
Mr. Greer.
Upper right side.
Mr. Specter.
Upper right side, going toward the rear. And what was the condition of the skull at that point?
Mr. Greer.
The skull was completely--this part was completely gone.
"The particular headshot must have come from another direction besides behind him because the back of his head blew off, and it doesn't make sense to be hit from the rear and still have your face intact. So he must've been hit from another position, ya know possibly, ya know in the front or over to the side, I, I really don't know where, but the back of his head blew off." Great quotes from eyewitnesses. Linda Willis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=WHvfDijnASM
Phillip Willis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Willis stated in a 1979 interview: "There's no doubt in our mind the final shot that blew his head off did not come from the depository. His head blew up like a halo. The brains and matter went to the left and the rear."
Mr. Specter.
Did you just mention, Mr. Greer, a hole in the President's head in addition to the large area of the skull which was shot away?
Mr. Greer.
No. I had just seen that, you know, the head was damaged in all this part of it but I believe looking at the X-rays, I looked at the X-rays when they were taken in the autopsy room, and the person who does that type work showed us the trace of it because there would be little specks of lead where the bullet had come from here and it came to the--they showed where it didn't come on through. It came to a sinus cavity or something they said, over the eye.
Mr. Specter.
Indicating the right eye. (Greer pointed over his right eye)
Mr. Greer.
I may be wrong.
Mr. Specter.
You don't know which eye?
Mr. Greer.
I don't know which eye, I may be wrong. But they showed us the trace of it coming through but there were very little small specks on the X-rays that these professionals knew what course that the bullet had taken, the lead.
Mr. Specter.
Would you describe in very general terms what injury you observed as to the President's head during the course of the autopsy?
Mr. Greer.
I would--to the best of my recollection it was in this part of the head right here.
Mr. Specter.
Upper right?
Mr. Greer.
Upper right side.
Mr. Specter.
Upper right side, going toward the rear. And what was the condition of the skull at that point?
Mr. Greer.
The skull was completely--this part was completely gone.
george martin
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The Governor of Texas, John Connally looked directly at jfk's real assassin immediately after the fatal headshot. The driver and ss agent (William Greer) fired that shot into the President's right forehead with the resulting bullet exiting the right rear. This case was proven and closed over four years ago. He kind of lifts his head up and pauses before hitting the floor.
Connally saw the fatal shot and quickly corrected himself, but his reaction when looking at Greer proves he slipped up. Watch him hit the floor in horror once he realized Greer shot JFK. The Governor, logically starting turning toward the driver because he was braking before he shot the President.
http://jfk-assassination.com/warren/...l4/page136.php
Obviously, at least the major wound that I took in the shoulder through the chest couldn't have been anything but the second shot. Obviously, it couldn't have been the third, because when the third shot was fired I was in a reclining position, and heard it, saw it and the effects of it, rather--I didn't see it, I saw the effects of it--so it obviously could not have been the third, and couldn't have been the first, in my judgment.
http://jfk-assassination.com/warren/...l4/page133.php
So I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap. She was sitting, of course, on the jump seat, so I reclined with my head in her lap, conscious all the time, and with my eyes open; and then, of course, the third shot sounded, and I heard the shot very clearly. I heard it hit him. I heard the shot hit something, and I assumed again--it never entered my mind that it ever hit anybody but the President. I heard it hit. It was a very loud noise, just that audible, very clear.
GREER FIRED RIGHT OVER CONNALLY'S HEAD and when he realized Greer fired it, he hit the floor, terrified. WATCH THE GOVERNOR.
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JasperMoon
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Just watched a William Cooper video about this. I will post here for you.
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Jim Marrs told this huge lie 5 years ago. He doesn't care that he's a proven liar because he'll never (likely) be asked by anyone in the media about Greer's hands being off the steering wheel just seconds before he shot the wounded President.
Jim Marrs - The Theory JFK's Driver Shot Him
He lied because he knew he could probably get away with it indefinitely but those days of claiming authority are over. Jim Marrs cannot debate against this proof because he'd have to answer to the running video which depicts the exact opposite of his absurd lie. He would have to prove the negative that Greer's hands can be seen clearly and are NOT off the wheel moving around while he passes a mystery object bleached white/grey just like they clearly are.
I have studied first-generation clear prints of the Zapruder film and it is apparent that while it may be questionable as to why Greer turned and looked back at Kennedy and then could not recall that fact for the Warren Commission, at no time did his two hands leave the steering wheel of the limousine. There are plenty of real conspiracies out there without dragging this old wheezer up again.
Mountebank, pronounced "MOUN-tih-bank," has an interesting origin, in the Italian phrase "monta in banco." It describes a "doctor" who would "mount a bench" in the marketplace. Standing a bit higher than the crowd enabled people to hear his sales pitch and see the potions and powders he claimed were medical cures that never failed — claims as bogus as his credentials. A mountebank is a fast-talking crook pretending to be an expert.
Jim Marrs - The Theory JFK's Driver Shot Him
He lied because he knew he could probably get away with it indefinitely but those days of claiming authority are over. Jim Marrs cannot debate against this proof because he'd have to answer to the running video which depicts the exact opposite of his absurd lie. He would have to prove the negative that Greer's hands can be seen clearly and are NOT off the wheel moving around while he passes a mystery object bleached white/grey just like they clearly are.
I have studied first-generation clear prints of the Zapruder film and it is apparent that while it may be questionable as to why Greer turned and looked back at Kennedy and then could not recall that fact for the Warren Commission, at no time did his two hands leave the steering wheel of the limousine. There are plenty of real conspiracies out there without dragging this old wheezer up again.
Mountebank, pronounced "MOUN-tih-bank," has an interesting origin, in the Italian phrase "monta in banco." It describes a "doctor" who would "mount a bench" in the marketplace. Standing a bit higher than the crowd enabled people to hear his sales pitch and see the potions and powders he claimed were medical cures that never failed — claims as bogus as his credentials. A mountebank is a fast-talking crook pretending to be an expert.
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Faun's stupidity in the first paragraph below.I do agree what he did with his hands 4 seconds earlier is irrelevant to the fact that his hand was near his lap when Kennedy was shot in the head. He could have been doing the hokey-pokey 4 seconds earlier for all anyone cares since when Kennedy was shot, his hand was down by his lap.
Only the most dimwitted, empty-headed trolls would directly claim that Greer's hands being off the wheel while he passes a mystery object isn't important. There's a reason why the likes of Jim Marrs lied about this. Acknowledging this movement brings any honest researcher to the reality table and point of no return. It cannot be admitted by any supposed jfk researcher. Only simple anonymous liars would point to a video effect and claim earlier evidence is either not important or just outright deny hand movement that really occurs and exposes faked evidence.
If this evidence could honestly be admitted while still claiming Greer didn't shoot, then Jim would have went there. He lied directly about it because it is devastating proof of Greer's shot. Faun is the lowest form of troll on the net and her absurd claim is forward progress in demonstrating just how deranged people can be when resisting an unwanted truth. Greer passing an object with both hands off the wheel before the headshot couldn't be anymore more important and Jim's simple denial about it is definitive proof that it is a smoking gun.
Jim Marrs told this huge lie 5 years ago. He doesn't care that he's a proven liar because he'll never (likely) be asked by anyone in the media about Greer's hands being off the steering wheel just seconds before he shot the wounded President.
Jim Marrs - The Theory JFK's Driver Shot Him
He lied because he knew he could probably get away with it indefinitely but those days of claiming authority are over. Jim Marrs cannot debate against this proof because he'd have to answer to the running video which depicts the exact opposite of his absurd lie. He would have to prove the negative that Greer's hands can be seen clearly and are NOT off the wheel moving around while he passes a mystery object bleached white/grey just like they clearly are.
I have studied first-generation clear prints of the Zapruder film and it is apparent that while it may be questionable as to why Greer turned and looked back at Kennedy and then could not recall that fact for the Warren Commission, at no time did his two hands leave the steering wheel of the limousine. There are plenty of real conspiracies out there without dragging this old wheezer up again.
Mountebank, pronounced "MOUN-tih-bank," has an interesting origin, in the Italian phrase "monta in banco." It describes a "doctor" who would "mount a bench" in the marketplace. Standing a bit higher than the crowd enabled people to hear his sales pitch and see the potions and powders he claimed were medical cures that never failed — claims as bogus as his credentials. A mountebank is a fast-talking crook pretending to be an expert.
Only the most dimwitted, empty-headed trolls would directly claim that Greer's hands being off the wheel while he passes a mystery object isn't important. There's a reason why the likes of Jim Marrs lied about this. Acknowledging this movement brings any honest researcher to the reality table and point of no return. It cannot be admitted by any supposed jfk researcher. Only simple anonymous liars would point to a video effect and claim earlier evidence is either not important or just outright deny hand movement that really occurs and exposes faked evidence.
If this evidence could honestly be admitted while still claiming Greer didn't shoot, then Jim would have went there. He lied directly about it because it is devastating proof of Greer's shot. Faun is the lowest form of troll on the net and her absurd claim is forward progress in demonstrating just how deranged people can be when resisting an unwanted truth. Greer passing an object with both hands off the wheel before the headshot couldn't be anymore more important and Jim's simple denial about it is definitive proof that it is a smoking gun.
Jim Marrs told this huge lie 5 years ago. He doesn't care that he's a proven liar because he'll never (likely) be asked by anyone in the media about Greer's hands being off the steering wheel just seconds before he shot the wounded President.
Jim Marrs - The Theory JFK's Driver Shot Him
He lied because he knew he could probably get away with it indefinitely but those days of claiming authority are over. Jim Marrs cannot debate against this proof because he'd have to answer to the running video which depicts the exact opposite of his absurd lie. He would have to prove the negative that Greer's hands can be seen clearly and are NOT off the wheel moving around while he passes a mystery object bleached white/grey just like they clearly are.
I have studied first-generation clear prints of the Zapruder film and it is apparent that while it may be questionable as to why Greer turned and looked back at Kennedy and then could not recall that fact for the Warren Commission, at no time did his two hands leave the steering wheel of the limousine. There are plenty of real conspiracies out there without dragging this old wheezer up again.
Mountebank, pronounced "MOUN-tih-bank," has an interesting origin, in the Italian phrase "monta in banco." It describes a "doctor" who would "mount a bench" in the marketplace. Standing a bit higher than the crowd enabled people to hear his sales pitch and see the potions and powders he claimed were medical cures that never failed — claims as bogus as his credentials. A mountebank is a fast-talking crook pretending to be an expert.
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Just a few points here from a silly old man 
I dont believe that Greer did shoot JFK...Firstly where is the gunsmoke from the 38 revolver and maybe even the gun flash?
People have said that the cine film of the event had been "doctored"...This was during the days of 8mm film, and not photoshop lol
I made several cine films in the 1960s using the old 8mm standard kodak film which was on a spool...The advanced cassette version didnt come in until 1965..( take a look at the 1969 films of the first moon landings, surely they would have been doctored to make them look more realistic?) lol
If anyone using 1960s technology could "doctor" my cine films, to make me look better please let me know lol
Another point is why didnt Jackie Kennedy look towards the shot after it had been fired and why wasnt she "ducking" for cover, which is an innate reaction..also why didnt she report a gun being fired at very close distance to her??
I suppose you could always say that Jackie Kennedy was involved in the plot, because she hated her husband and had been publicly humiliated by Marylin Monroe singing happy birthday to JFK ..and also his well known relationship with her and other women..(Hell hath no fury like a womans scorn)
A brilliant investigative journalist called John Pilger, who was responsible for bringing about Nixons involvement with the Khmar Rouge and Pol Pot in the 1970s, also made a program for BBC tv in 1981 which said that 4 members of the Mafia were the shooters responsible for JFK`s death, actioned by the FBI..
He showed a second cine film which was taken in dallas, and clearly showed a motor bike cop in front of the cavalcade turning round to face a fence from which a shot had been fired, and the gunsmoke was clearly shown..The cop turned his bike round and took chase..Later his body was found on a road...This was probably a high powered rifle that was used for the shot that ripped off the side of JFK`s head..
I dont believe that Greer did shoot JFK...Firstly where is the gunsmoke from the 38 revolver and maybe even the gun flash?
People have said that the cine film of the event had been "doctored"...This was during the days of 8mm film, and not photoshop lol
I made several cine films in the 1960s using the old 8mm standard kodak film which was on a spool...The advanced cassette version didnt come in until 1965..( take a look at the 1969 films of the first moon landings, surely they would have been doctored to make them look more realistic?) lol
If anyone using 1960s technology could "doctor" my cine films, to make me look better please let me know lol
Another point is why didnt Jackie Kennedy look towards the shot after it had been fired and why wasnt she "ducking" for cover, which is an innate reaction..also why didnt she report a gun being fired at very close distance to her??
I suppose you could always say that Jackie Kennedy was involved in the plot, because she hated her husband and had been publicly humiliated by Marylin Monroe singing happy birthday to JFK ..and also his well known relationship with her and other women..(Hell hath no fury like a womans scorn)
A brilliant investigative journalist called John Pilger, who was responsible for bringing about Nixons involvement with the Khmar Rouge and Pol Pot in the 1970s, also made a program for BBC tv in 1981 which said that 4 members of the Mafia were the shooters responsible for JFK`s death, actioned by the FBI..
He showed a second cine film which was taken in dallas, and clearly showed a motor bike cop in front of the cavalcade turning round to face a fence from which a shot had been fired, and the gunsmoke was clearly shown..The cop turned his bike round and took chase..Later his body was found on a road...This was probably a high powered rifle that was used for the shot that ripped off the side of JFK`s head..
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Until recently, I never could find a good capture of frame 319 that depicts the rear exit wound. Frames 311-319.
Zapruder Frames - Costella Combined Edit
Zapruder Frames - Costella Combined Edit
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Only a shot fired inside the limo could've left the smell gunpowder near and west of the overpass. The driver's shot was proven five years ago this coming September.
According to Gary Mack the wind was blowing about 15 mph (west to the east) into the motorcade. Greer's close range shot completely supports these awesome accounts of gunpowder right near the limo and debunks the fatal shot from being 265 feet behind (east of) the limo.
From "Murder From Within" on the gunpowder "nose witnesses:" The Smell of Gunpowder in Dealey Plaza - from "Murder From Within" Wind Speed & Direction - JFK Assassination Debate - The Education Forum
The Smell of Gunsmoke at Street Level Firecracker - JFK Assassination Debate - The Education Forum
In addition to the eyewitnesses and ear witnesses, there were also nose witnesses to the murder.
Those who smelled gunpowder at the scene of the shooting helped to pinpoint the source of the shots. Placed on a map (Fig. 3-7), they were within the path of the motorcade or near Elm St. The motorcade headed west down Elm St. into a modest breeze.
Motorcycle escort officer Billy J. Martin, riding one half car length from the left rear fender of the Presidential limousine, recalled, "You could smell the gunpowder…you knew he wasn't far away. When you're that close you can smell the powder burning, why you - you've got to be pretty close to them…you could smell the gunpowder…right there in the street."
“Nose” witnesses
Senator Ralph W. Yarborough rode in the second car behind the limousine. He smelled gunpowder in the street and said it clung to the car throughout the race to Parkland Hospital.
Two cars behind Yarborough was the Cabell car. Mrs. Cabell said that she "…was acutely aware of the odor of gunpowder." She added that Congressman Ray Roberts, seated next to her, had mentioned it also.
According to Tom C. Dillard, two cars behind the Cabell car, he "…very definitely smelled gunpowder when the cars moved up at the corner of Elm and Houston Streets."
Vergie Rackley stood in front of the depository building. "She recalled that after the second shot she smelled gunsmoke…"
At the time of the shots, patrolman Joe M. Smith moved from the intersection of Elm and Houston Streets toward the triple underpass. When interviewed at that time, he stated that he smelled gunpowder near the underpass.
Patrolman Earle V. Brown, stationed 100 yards west of the underpass, stated that he heard the shots and then smelled gunpowder as the car sped beneath him.
A police officer who was on the sixth floor of the depository shortly after the shooting failed to smell any gunpowder there.
One newspaper summed it up: "…seconds later the cavalcade was gone. The area still reeked with the smell of gunpowder." Shots from the sixth floor of the depository building would have caused no gunpowder smell in the street. Murder from Within: Lyndon Johnson's Plot Against President Kennedy: Fred T. Newcomb: 9781463422424: Amazon.com: Books
Many eye, ear, and nose witnesses supported a shot in or around the Presidential limo. Ralph, is in the backseat on the right in the blue car. https://www.google.com/search?q=ral...H524HIBw&sqi=2&ved=0CK0BEIke&biw=1536&bih=748
Look under 'Beats Fists Against Car'. "The third shot he heard might have been a Secret Service man returning the fire", he said. "The Senator was two cars behind Jfk's, with LBJ. Look above 'Could Smell Gunpowder'; He smelled gunpowder all the way to Parkland Hospital.
According to Gary Mack the wind was blowing about 15 mph (west to the east) into the motorcade. Greer's close range shot completely supports these awesome accounts of gunpowder right near the limo and debunks the fatal shot from being 265 feet behind (east of) the limo.
From "Murder From Within" on the gunpowder "nose witnesses:" The Smell of Gunpowder in Dealey Plaza - from "Murder From Within" Wind Speed & Direction - JFK Assassination Debate - The Education Forum
The Smell of Gunsmoke at Street Level Firecracker - JFK Assassination Debate - The Education Forum
In addition to the eyewitnesses and ear witnesses, there were also nose witnesses to the murder.
Those who smelled gunpowder at the scene of the shooting helped to pinpoint the source of the shots. Placed on a map (Fig. 3-7), they were within the path of the motorcade or near Elm St. The motorcade headed west down Elm St. into a modest breeze.
Motorcycle escort officer Billy J. Martin, riding one half car length from the left rear fender of the Presidential limousine, recalled, "You could smell the gunpowder…you knew he wasn't far away. When you're that close you can smell the powder burning, why you - you've got to be pretty close to them…you could smell the gunpowder…right there in the street."
“Nose” witnesses
Senator Ralph W. Yarborough rode in the second car behind the limousine. He smelled gunpowder in the street and said it clung to the car throughout the race to Parkland Hospital.
Two cars behind Yarborough was the Cabell car. Mrs. Cabell said that she "…was acutely aware of the odor of gunpowder." She added that Congressman Ray Roberts, seated next to her, had mentioned it also.
According to Tom C. Dillard, two cars behind the Cabell car, he "…very definitely smelled gunpowder when the cars moved up at the corner of Elm and Houston Streets."
Vergie Rackley stood in front of the depository building. "She recalled that after the second shot she smelled gunsmoke…"
At the time of the shots, patrolman Joe M. Smith moved from the intersection of Elm and Houston Streets toward the triple underpass. When interviewed at that time, he stated that he smelled gunpowder near the underpass.
Patrolman Earle V. Brown, stationed 100 yards west of the underpass, stated that he heard the shots and then smelled gunpowder as the car sped beneath him.
A police officer who was on the sixth floor of the depository shortly after the shooting failed to smell any gunpowder there.
One newspaper summed it up: "…seconds later the cavalcade was gone. The area still reeked with the smell of gunpowder." Shots from the sixth floor of the depository building would have caused no gunpowder smell in the street. Murder from Within: Lyndon Johnson's Plot Against President Kennedy: Fred T. Newcomb: 9781463422424: Amazon.com: Books
Many eye, ear, and nose witnesses supported a shot in or around the Presidential limo. Ralph, is in the backseat on the right in the blue car. https://www.google.com/search?q=ral...H524HIBw&sqi=2&ved=0CK0BEIke&biw=1536&bih=748
Look under 'Beats Fists Against Car'. "The third shot he heard might have been a Secret Service man returning the fire", he said. "The Senator was two cars behind Jfk's, with LBJ. Look above 'Could Smell Gunpowder'; He smelled gunpowder all the way to Parkland Hospital.
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I just identified the rear exit in frame 318 and matched it to Oliver Stone's copy of Zapruder. The entire hole can be seen in 313, in addition to disruption in frames 318-320.
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http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t528/friscokid71/Screenshot 396_zpsi7o2pb5m.png~original