minuteman project and Waco type events thread

[Judge Bean]

minuteman project and Waco type events thread

Titor repeatedly mentions Waco, but most of the time it is in conjunction with Ruby Ridge, and often with Ruby Ridge and the Elian Gonzalez case.

You remember the Elian media circus. You may remember Ruby Ridge, which involved the murder of members of a family who did not want to submit to federal agents, and were killed by snipers.

If you look at Titor again, you'll see that he is asked if he can remember what the media coverage of the early part of the rebellion was like, and he says that he believes that it didn't amount to much, but was like the coverage of these three events.

In other words, Titor (who was only 6 or 7 when the civil war started) states that he believed that the media coverage was subdued and distorted, and subject to government spin and coverup.

Keep these facts in mind when you examine the landscape of the news for Waco events. The events may be bloodless, as in the Elian case, or involve only a couple of casualties, as in Ruby Ridge. What they have in common is government bullying and Constitutional violations.

 

[Darkwolf]

minuteman project and Waco type events thread

What they have in common is government bullying and Constitutional violations.

You forgot one important ingrediant. There must be an attempt to resist physically resist these actions on the part of the targets. Without that, you have government tyranny, but no budding rebellion. So have there been any incidents recently that fit that bill? Any shaping up?

 

[Judge Bean]

minuteman project and Waco type events thread

Originally posted by Darkwolf@Jan 13 2005, 01:25 AM

What they have in common is government bullying and Constitutional violations.

You forgot one important ingrediant. There must be an attempt to resist physically resist these actions on the part of the targets. Without that, you have government tyranny, but no budding rebellion. So have there been any incidents recently that fit that bill? Any shaping up?

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You can't have government tyranny in the U.S. without an automatic budding rebellion. Hard to tell when the budding ends and the full blossom sets in, either.

Little Elian made no resistance; he was caught in the middle of the legal tantrums of "adults." I wonder why Titor mentioned him in the company of the other two events. He was discussing what media coverage there would be of the civil war, even of the war as it was going on for years. Apparently, most of the American population watched apathetically as innocent persons were subject to outrageous violations of their Constitutional rights.

You know of course that you don't need to be a citizen of the U.S. to have your Constitutional rights violated. The Constitution guarantees certain rights to anyone falling under the jurisdiction of the criminal court.

It's almost as though he almost said "Cuba," and caught himself and threw out Elian instead. It's almost as though he were about to say "Guantanamo."

 

[CaryP]

minuteman project and Waco type events thread

Little Elian made no resistance; he was caught in the middle of the legal tantrums of \"adults.\" I wonder why Titor mentioned him in the company of the other two events.

Actually, it was Elian's American relatives who made the resistance. He was hidden in a closet when the federal authorities broke into the home he was living in. Do you remember the pictures of the federal agents in armor and riot gear with the authomatic weapons drawn, when they pulled him out of hiding? Do you remember the picture of the horror on the child's face when he was being wrenched from his American relatives? This was an example of the overkill power used by the federal govt. in exercising its agenda. Very similar to Waco and Ruby Ridge IMO.

It's almost as though he almost said \"Cuba,\" and caught himself and threw out Elian instead. It's almost as though he were about to say \"Guantanamo.\"

Damn, you are one sharp cookie. I hadn't even thought of this connection. What a mind bender we'd be doing if Titor had mentioned Guantanamo specifically as a place where the Constitution was trampled and torture was systematically practised by the U.S. govt. without even referring to the war on terror.

Keep up the great thinking pal.

Cary

 

[StarLord]

minuteman project and Waco type events thread

Take a moment, clear your mind, take a deep breath.......

Now think back to when you were 6 or 7, what do you remember?

How many of us here honestly remember anything from the age of 6 or 7? How many children of the this age watch the news and could tell you the 'general feeling' even two months later.

It's things like this about the titor story that really insult my intelligence.
I just can't buy it.

 

[Darkwolf]

minuteman project and Waco type events thread

You can't have government tyranny in the U.S. without an automatic budding rebellion. Hard to tell when the budding ends and the full blossom sets in, either.

Well, I'm not sure about that. When the Ruby Ridge, Waco, Elian sequence was going on I thought one was going to start. True, the militias started to get stronger, but there was only one violent rebellious act, at least that was noted. (and I'm not altogether sure that OK city wasn't a forign job)

It's almost as though he almost said \"Cuba,\" and caught himself and threw out Elian instead. It's almost as though he were about to say \"Guantanamo.\"

Thats kind of a streatch. Not entirely impossible, but a streatch.

You know of course that you don't need to be a citizen of the U.S. to have your Constitutional rights violated. The Constitution guarantees certain rights to anyone falling under the jurisdiction of the criminal court.

Uh, yeagh that wasn't lost on me Paul.

Starlord,
You are assuming that JT (if telling the truth didn't have media coverage available from the past.) One would assume that he studyed it in history class, and as a preperation for his mission.

 

[Judge Bean]

minuteman project and Waco type events thread

Originally posted by StarLord@Jan 13 2005, 05:37 PM
Take a moment, clear your mind, take a deep breath.......

Now think back to when you were 6 or 7, what do you remember?

How many of us here honestly remember anything from the age of 6 or 7? How many children of the this age watch the news and could tell you the 'general feeling' even two months later.

It's things like this about the titor story that really insult my intelligence.
I just can't buy it.

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"I don't remember a great deal about media coverage during the civil conflicts. I would probably characterize it the same way you see coverage of Waco, Ruby Ridge and Elian Gonzalez." (Titor, 2/8/01)

The "civil conflicts" begin in 2005, when Titor is supposedly 7, and go on for ten years.

When he first mentions Waco, he does so in an attempt to analogize the media coverage and to give an example of how the public first heard about the outbreak of antigovernment violence. He does not say that he remembers watching the news himself.

 

[StarLord]

minuteman project and Waco type events thread

Darkwolf, Paul, My thanks. Works for me. I'll sit corrected

 

[Judge Bean]

minuteman project and Waco type events thread

Originally posted by Darkwolf@Jan 13 2005, 09:50 PM

You can't have government tyranny in the U.S. without an automatic budding rebellion. Hard to tell when the budding ends and the full blossom sets in, either.

Well, I'm not sure about that. When the Ruby Ridge, Waco, Elian sequence was going on I thought one was going to start. True, the militias started to get stronger, but there was only one violent rebellious act, at least that was noted. (and I'm not altogether sure that OK city wasn't a forign job)

A budding rebellion does not start budding in violence, or in spectacular criminal acts. It starts the way it is underway right now: with ordinary people around the country refusing to disobey the fundamental rule of law. To paraphrase Emerson, "every revolution begins in the mind of one man," which Emerson calls "the key to that era."

You know of course that you don't need to be a citizen of the U.S. to have your Constitutional rights violated. The Constitution guarantees certain rights to anyone falling under the jurisdiction of the criminal court.

Uh, yeagh that wasn't lost on me Paul.

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Then you are aware of the magnitude of criminal conduct now engaged in by your government.

 

[Darkwolf]

minuteman project and Waco type events thread

A budding rebellion does not start budding in violence, or in spectacular criminal acts. It starts the way it is underway right now: with ordinary people around the country refusing to disobey the fundamental rule of law. To paraphrase Emerson, \"every revolution begins in the mind of one man,\" which Emerson calls \"the key to that era.\"

I am aware of that Paul, however, if it stays there it does nothing. I said I was surprised that no one started shooting during the ninties. The anger was certianly there, but no one for instance treid to break the seige at Waco. Perhaps the war really did start then, and we are just having kind of a respite. I still think that there is a high probability that somone is going to do that in the near future. The stage has been set. We have all the draconian anti terror legislation that Clinton failed to pass in the form of the patriot act. The thing is that for the last four years, the government has refrained from such vulgar displays of power. Untill something spectacular happens, I don't think that there is going to be any shooting.

Then you are aware of the magnitude of criminal conduct now engaged in by your government.

I am aware of some criminal conduct by the current administration, and I am also aware of partisan interpretations of events by pollitical forces who are trying to gain some of their power back. Which events are you referring to?