minuteman project and Waco type events thread

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Any chemisty teachers in the house that have a perspective on this? For that matter, any teachers have a thought?

Teacher Allegedly Gave Bomb Making Lesson

ORLANDO, Fla. - ? School officials told investigators that Pieski previously had been told he was not allowed to have any form of explosive on campus.
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A little while back ago, I made the comment on a post that you could report your neighbor and have them arrested...this is nefariously close to that mark. I have yet to come across a chemistry teacher that doesn't blow things up to show how chemicals react to one another...or maybe I'm just reading into this too far.
 
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Paranoid authorities. To be sure, what self respecting chemistry teacher has not, blown things up, set things on fire, created stink bombs from simple chemical reactions, shown us that white phosphorus can do many amazing things, melted various instruments and parts of desks, made miniture whistling peets, made things glow and caused ALL of us that ever took chemistry to discover new ways of thinking and viewing everything around us. The guy should back driving a chemistry lab not a desk.
 
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Umm, hate to be a disenting voice here, but there is a large difference between your standare chem lab explosives show, and something where you need an electronic detonator to get clear of the blast.
 
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Umm, hate to be a disenting voice here, but there is a large difference between your standare chem lab explosives show, and something where you need an electronic detonator to get clear of the blast.[/b]
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So just out of curiousity, do you believe that the action taken was warranted or was it overkill?

I would love to know if any of the other students collaborated on the statement about the detonator or if it was just a bunch of kids jumping onto a witch hunt...if the school is keeping him on the payroll then he must not have been that dangerous.

Just a thought.
 
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Umm, hate to be a disenting voice here, but there is a large difference between your standare chem lab explosives show, and something where you need an electronic detonator to get clear of the blast.[/b]
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Detonator???
I beg to differ on this one. It's actually the most possible safe way to go if you have kids involved. It's also a standard on model jet engines. Long gone are the days of frying the end of your finger off due to a fast fuse and a hot rocket.

What ever it was was set off in a coffee can. if the charge was large enough it would have taken the can with it.
 
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So just out of curiousity, do you believe that the action taken was warranted or was it overkill?

I would love to know if any of the other students collaborated on the statement about the detonator or if it was just a bunch of kids jumping onto a witch hunt...if the school is keeping him on the payroll then he must not have been that dangerous.
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It might or might not have been overkill. It depends on what explosive was used, how much, and where. Also, would the directions he gave the kids allow them to make something really dangerous (ie shrapnel bomb ect.) If so, I kind of really wonder why he did it. I'd need more info to say wether it was overkill or not.
 
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Now, this is waco like. That is to say the government's treatment of this marine, not the fact that he shot those guys.
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20050215-09...91407-8035r.htm











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Marine Corps 2nd Lt. Ilario Pantano could face the death penalty if convicted of charges made against him last week. The charges? Premeditated murder. The facts? He shot two suspected terrorists during a mission in Iraq. The case is frought with second-guessing, and could be a disaster for future combat operations if the charges aren't dropped.
April 2004 was the cruelest month in the Iraq insurgency. It was when the assault on Fallujah took place, as did significant action in Najaf and Sadr City. About one-third of the 147 U.S. servicemen killed that month were Marines. They were killed in firefights and ambushes, and risked explosive devices in the streets \" the kind of attacks that require split-second decisions to survive.
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Lt. Pantano was in precisely such a situation south of Baghdad on April 15. He was leading a quick-reaction platoon raiding a house full of weapons. Two suspected terrorists had emerged from the house, got into an SUV and tried to flee. The lieutenant and his comrades shot out the SUV's tires and made the suspects search the vehicle. When the suspects unexpectedly turned toward Lt. Pantano as if to rush him, Lt. Pantano ordered them in Arabic to stop. They didn't. So Lt. Pantano made a split-second decision to preserve his life and those of his men. It turned out the two suspects were unarmed. Lt. Pantano reported the incident to his superiors, who investigated it and accepted his version of the story. He then served several more months with distinction.
Why, then, is he being charged with murder? There's seemingly no good answer.
Lt. Pantano is straight out of some romanticized war story. The 33-year-old Hell's Kitchen native left a six-figure salary in New York to serve his country. His mother says of him, \"If he has a fault, it is that he is too idealistic and puts moral responsibility and duty to his country and his men before anything else.\" For that, Lt. Pantano faces criminal charges that could result in death.
At a time when the military is being stretched, the Pantano case sends all the wrong signals to servicemen. Finding a few good men will only get harder and harder if overzealous lawyers are permitted to intimidate the troops. In any army, that's a losing formula.
Unless it can be shown that Lt. Pantano isn't an exemplary Marine \" that is, if new facts come to light showing he and his superiors are misrepresenting what happened on April 15 \" we call on the Pentagon to drop the spurious charges against Lt. Pantano. As far as any outsider can tell, he acted in good faith in a life-threatening situation. He shouldn't be punished for it.





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This isn't a Waco type event in and of itself, but it's something that points to how ridiculous things are getting. Ridiculous enough to create something that is Waco like. The kids grandparents turned him in. Morons.

http://www.lex18.com/global/story.asp?s=29...tType=Printable

Student Arrested For Terroristic Threatening Says Incident A Misunderstanding
A George Rogers Clark High School junior arrested Tuesday for making terrorist threats told LEX 18 News Thursday that the \"writings\" that got him arrested are being taken out of context.

Winchester police say William Poole, 18, was taken into custody Tuesday morning. Investigators say they discovered materials at Poole's home that outline possible acts of violence aimed at students, teachers, and police.

Poole told LEX 18 that the whole incident is a big misunderstanding. He claims that what his grandparents found in his journal and turned into police was a short story he wrote for English class.

\"My story is based on fiction,\" said Poole, who faces a second-degree felony terrorist threatening charge. \"It's a fake story. I made it up. I've been working on one of my short stories, (and) the short story they found was about zombies. Yes, it did say a high school. It was about a high school over ran by zombies.\"

?Even so, police say the nature of the story makes it a felony. \"Anytime you make any threat or possess matter involving a school or function it's a felony in the state of Kentucky,\" said Winchester Police detective Steven Caudill.

Poole disputes that he was threatening anyone.

\"It didn't mention nobody who lives in Clark County, didn't mention (George Rogers Clark High School), didn't mention no principal or cops, nothing,\"
said Poole. \"Half the people at high school know me. They know I'm not that stupid, that crazy.\"

On Thursday, a judge raised Poole's bond from one to five thousand dollars after prosecutors requested it, citing the seriousness of the charge.

Poole is being held at the Clark County Detention Center. ?
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Stupid is as stupid does.


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