minuteman project and Waco type events thread

Judge Bean

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"darkbreed\")</div>
I speak of the whole ideology.
Do you know it?
Are you aware of their history? What they were all about? Why they did what they did?
And yes, they went into the too extreme, but the basics and foundation stones of their ideas is still interesting. It's about history really. Back to ancient days.
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Ideology of hate and death. Did what they did because they were ordered to by a demented lunatic. Went to the extreme of outright murdering six million people, destroying Europe and causing a war that killed over 50 million, most of them civilians. Interesting history of just how low the human character can sink. Takes you back to the days when you were entitled to kill everybody in the city you just conquered.

That about cover it?
 

Darkwolf

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I didn't know quite where to put this. There are no blazing guns yet but now they are using a counter terrorism technology to collect taxes. Not only that but they are confiscating cars for as little as $20 in taxes.




NEW HAVEN, Connecticut (AP) -- Sam Byers heard a commotion outside his house, but by the time he got to the window his Ford Explorer was gone.

City marshals, armed with a new tool that photographs auto license plates and instantly matches them against a tax scofflaw database, had towed Byers' car right out of his driveway.

\"That's like kidnapping your car,\" Byers, a 58-year-old truck driver said as he stood, leaning on the crutches he got after a foot operation. Byers was in a long line of people outside the New Haven tax collector's office who were waiting to make delinquent payments so they could get their vehicles back.

Cash-strapped New Haven is a pioneer in using the so-called BootFinder system. The objective: snare people who haven't paid car taxes. (Connecticut is among a handful of states where local governments levy annual fees, typically a few hundred dollars per vehicle, based on the value of residents' automobiles.)

New Haven officials are overjoyed at the results. They've towed about 1,800 cars and recovered more than $1 million in delinquent taxes since the program began in September, including from people whose cars they removed from a Wal-Mart parking lot.

But privacy advocates are concerned.

To them, BootFinder, originally developed to help police departments identify stolen cars, represents yet another ominous step in government surveillance of the citizenry.

The BootFinder system was first introduced for catching tax laggards by Arlington County, Virginia.. So far, New Haven is the only other municipality using it, though Connecticut's largest city, Bridgeport, is among those considering a purchase.

The system is comprised of an infrared camera that rapidly scans license plates and, connected to a laptop computer in the New Haven system, scours a list of car tax delinquents. Previously, New Haven officials had to rely on mailed notices and phone calls to try to collect overdue car taxes.

The car tax collection rate, at 80 percent before BootFinder, has now risen to 95 percent, said C.J. Cuticello, New Haven's tax collector.

\"I think the results are fantastic,\" he said. \"We're going to continue it until we exhaust every vehicle in New Haven.\"

Arlington County has had similar success, reaping about $100,000 in unpaid car taxes and parking tickets since employing BootFinder despite not towing tax delinquents' cars. Its treasurer, Frank O'Leary, says the county is expanding the program this month to go after delinquent business and meals taxes owed by restaurant delivery companies.

\"We're expanding to include all the items we can think of,\" he said.

That is precisely what alarms privacy advocates such as Cedric Laurant, policy counsel for the Washington, D.C.-based Electronic Privacy Information Center.

\"It's a very slippery slope into which the authorities may be tempted to go,\" Laurant said. \"You could use that technology to enforce any type of law that requires people to file their taxes.\"

Privacy advocates fear BootFinder could lend itself to \"function creep\", in which a technology intended for one purpose evolves into other uses.

Indeed, the president of the company that developed BootFinder, Andy Bucholz of Alexandria, Virginia.-based G2 Tactics, says he is in talks that he hopes will one day lead to a BootFinder-like system getting access to the National Crime Information Center database.

Bucholz said the talks are addressing privacy and security.

Such issues were paramount to a number of states that pulled out of a federally funded database program launched in 2002 called the Multistate Anti-Terrorism Information Exchange -- \"Matrix\" for short -- that was compiling billions of pieces of information on potential criminal suspects.

Laurant complained, additionally, that New Haven's towing regimen is disproportionate punishment for relatively small tax bills.

Kathy Martone was doing her dishes one night last week when the city came to get her Plymouth Neon, for which she owed $85 in taxes.

\"I didn't know till I went to walk my dog,\" Martone said.

Motorists who have had their vehicles seized say they are given little warning and must miss work to get their car back.

New Haven officials say, however, that delinquent taxpayers are given five notices and warnings before their vehicles are seized.

In Bridgeport, Mayor John Fabrizi got a demonstration of BootFinder last week and said that within five minutes he had identified three cars whose owners owed a total of $900 in taxes.

\"I was very impressed,\" Fabrizi said. \"I feel we're going to go with the program.\"

The city's tax collector, Bob Tetreault, says it is currently owed more than $20 million in car taxes and its collection rate is below 70 percent, \"which is just embarrassing.\"

The BootFinder remains a work in progress.

O'Leary of Arlington County said it sometimes fails to work when lighting conditions are variable due to cloudy weather. But he predicts big things for the technology.

\"I compare it to buying a plane from the Wright brothers 100 years ago,\" O'Leary said. \"It's a very clever device. This thing will fly. Give it a little time.\"




It is also interasting that several states pulled out of the terrorism data base that was collecting info on criminal suspects. Hmm, terrorism database, criminal suspects. Looks like there are some in the power sturcture who are looking out for us.
This kind of thing is no joke folks, it is happening.
 

Judge Bean

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"'I think the results are fantastic,' he said. 'We're going to continue it until we exhaust every vehicle in New Haven.'

Arlington County has had similar success, reaping about $100,000 in unpaid car taxes and parking tickets since employing BootFinder despite not towing tax delinquents' cars. Its treasurer, Frank O'Leary, says the county is expanding the program this month to go after delinquent business and meals taxes owed by restaurant delivery companies.

'We're expanding to include all the items we can think of,' he said."


Interesting! You can sense the excitement they feel when they get their hands on a new obnoxious toy.

Same excitement the policeman got when he was quoted in a national magazine regarding the blanket registration of black youth in a certain neighborhood in Fresno-- I'll have to paraphrase him, since I don't have the original article at hand.

"If there's a young black guy in this neighborhood who's not on in our computer, there's something wrong."
 

Darkwolf

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\"If there's a young black guy in this neighborhood who's not on in our computer, there's something wrong.\"


I'm really ashamed to share a profession with that jerk.
 

Darkwolf

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Fugitive Michigan Militia Member Dies in Shootout​

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Scott WoodringScott Allen Woodring, the Michigan Militia member who became the subject of an intense manhunt in western Michigan, died on the morning of July 13, 2003, after being shot by state police. Woodring had killed a Michigan State Police officer a week earlier during an armed standoff.

Authorities received a tip revealing Woodring's current location, in a car parked behind a house some four miles from his home in Newaygo County. A SWAT team was sent to the location, where they found Woodring asleep in the vehicle.

Police ordered Woodring to remain in the car, but he emerged carrying an assault rifle. When he turned to face the officers, they fired at him.

Updated: July 9, 2003​
Michigan Militia Standoff Update​
An all-points-bulletin was issued by the Michigan State Police on July 9, 2003, for Scott Alan Woodring, the Michigan militia member who allegedly shot and killed a Michigan State Trooper during an armed standoff in Fremont in western Michigan.

Authorities decided to force an end to the standoff on the afternoon of July 8, using armored vehicles on loan from the Michigan National Guard to approach Woodring's house so that percussion grenades could be launched into the building. Two grenades were detonated, shortly after which the building caught fire and was rocked by explosions.

Woodring was originally thought to have been in the building when it burned down. However, a search of the building's remains failed to turn up any evidence of Woodring. Michigan State Police now believe he may have left his home as early as Monday afternoon. A backpack filled with food and ammunition was found on July 8, three quarters of a mile from Woodring's home. Woodring's wife has reportedly identified it as belonging to her husband.

A warrant for Woodring's arrest has been issued on murder and firearms charges.

Posted: July 8, 2003​
A Michigan Militia member killed a Michigan State Police trooper on July 7, 2003, in a standoff with authorities in Newaygo County in western Michigan. The trooper, Kevin Marshall, was an eight-year veteran of the Michigan State Police and part of the State Emergency Response Unit.

The standoff began July 6, when police officers from Hesperia, Michigan, and the Newaygo County Sheriff's Department attempted to serve Scott Woodring, a longtime Michigan Militia member, with a warrant for criminal sexual conduct. Woodring barricaded himself inside his home and refused to come out, warning officers that he had a gun.

Once a standoff developed, authorities attempted to negotiate with Woodring, described by his family as a \"non-violent member\" of the Michigan Militia who does not trust the government. However, on the second day, police tried to enter the home to apprehend Woodring, firing tear gas into the building, then entering.

Woodring shot at the officers, lightly wounding one man and hitting Marshall in his side, in an area unprotected by his bulletproof vest. Marshall was taken to a hospital and died during surgery.

Woodring is a longtime member of the Michigan Militia and an adherent of the

anti-government sovereign citizen movement. A follower of Michigan Militia founder Norm Olson, Woodring ran for township supervisor in Dayton Township in 1995 on a platform modeled after the beliefs of the Montana Freemen, getting 10 percent of the primary vote.​
The following year, Woodring tried to organize a "township" in Newaygo County, running newspaper ads to promote a "Committee for a De Jure Township." Members of the anti-government sovereign citizen movement often try to create their own "townships" to escape the jurisdiction of the government. The Montana Freemen created "Justus Township" during their standoff with federal authorities in 1996. In 1983, Posse Comitatus leader Gordon Kahl was leaving a meeting to create such a "township" when he killed two U.S. Marshals trying to apprehend him.

Also in 1996, Woodring was involved in Norm Olsen's attempt to create a national militia gathering he dubbed the "Third Continental Congress." Woodring was part of the Michigan Militia delegation to the event.
 

StarLord

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There seems to be a upsurge in a new way to check out of here, "Death By Cop" Forcing a policeman to shoot you in order to protect his own life. I am noticing it more and more recently.
 

StarLord

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Actually I think most of it is something entirely different. Rather than commit suicide, you force those that have constant access to firearms to do you in rather then you pulling the trigger. What's a real nightmare for the officers that are forced to shoot is when they find out the departed had no bullets in the gun.
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>
anti-government sovereign citizen movement. A follower of Michigan Militia founder Norm Olson, Woodring ran for township supervisor in Dayton Township in 1995 on a platform modeled after the beliefs of the Montana Freemen, getting 10 percent of the primary vote.​


The following year, Woodring tried to organize a \"township\" in Newaygo County, running newspaper ads to promote a \"Committee for a De Jure Township.\" Members of the anti-government sovereign citizen movement often try to create their own \"townships\" to escape the jurisdiction of the government. The Montana Freemen created \"Justus Township\" during their standoff with federal authorities in 1996. In 1983, Posse Comitatus leader Gordon Kahl was leaving a meeting to create such a \"township\" when he killed two U.S. Marshals trying to apprehend him.

Also in 1996, Woodring was involved in Norm Olsen's attempt to create a national militia gathering he dubbed the \"Third Continental Congress.\" Woodring was part of the Michigan Militia delegation to the event.[/b]

I know quite a bit about this story. I'll try to post the "local" version of events later on tonight or tomorrow. Quite a bit of this story never saw the evening news.
 

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