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Vigilantes Gather For
Roundup Of Illegals
By Paul Harris
The Observer - UK
3-27-5


TOMBSTONE -- Chris Simcox looked with satisfaction at the TV screen in his tiny office in the backstreets of Tombstone. A flickering video showed a score of ghost-like figures in the eerie glow of a night-vision camera, climbing one-by-one over a simple barbed-wire fence and into the United States.

'They just keep on coming,' Simcox said, shaking his head at the video memento of one of his private border patrols. 'They' are illegal immigrants from Mexico, unaware they had been filmed until they were picked up and shunted back across the border.

For three years Simcox and a handful of friends have been fighting what they see as a flood of immigrants. They are about to get a lot of company. On Friday perhaps 2,000 volunteers, many armed and some from conservative militia movements, will converge on Tombstone.

They will come equipped with guns, private planes, horses and night-vision goggles. They will then seek to patrol a long stretch of the border in direct confrontation with the US authorities who have asked them not to come.

The plan - dubbed the 'Minuteman Project' after heroes of the American Revolution - has caused huge upset across the country. It brings with it the threat of violence on the border, either from the militiamen or a criminal Hispanic gang which has sworn to oppose them. It has caused a political scandal in Mexico and strained international relations between the US and its southern neighbour.

But Simcox is holding firm. For him, and the hundreds of Minuteman volunteers, the huge numbers of illegal immigrants in the US is too important a cause. 'Our leaders have abandoned their own people,' he said.

The Minuteman scheme is the brainchild of James Gilchrist, a retired Californian accountant. Working with Simcox, he has collected a huge database of volunteers who are coming for all of April to southern Arizona. April is the height of the 'migration season' in the border deserts, when the days are still cool enough to avoid the killer heat that claims many immigrants each year.

Gilchrist said that all the volunteers will be committed to peacefully spotting, following and reporting any illegal immigrants they find. They cannot detain anyone. 'This was not a call to arms. This is not a war zone.' he added. 'We don't want any whackos.'

Despite those peaceful intentions, the Minutemen do look a little like a private army, an impression reinforced by the volunteer in Simcox's office wearing a pistol in a shoulder holster.

The Minutemen will include at least 40 pilots and up to 16 aircraft. They aim to patrol day and night with teams of four to eight people, wearing an unofficial uniform and carrying walkie-talkies. They will set up observation posts along the border. 'We want to show that sheer presence of numbers will deter illegal immigration,' Simcox said.

Opponents fear an outbreak of violence. Michael Nicley, head of US Border Patrol in the sector where the Minutemen will operate, has called it a 'recipe for tragedy'. The Reverend Robin Hoover, of local relief group Humane Borders, said: 'It looks destined to deteriorate into some form of confrontation.'

The Minutemen have become a great cause among white supremacists, including the notorious Aryan Nation. Though organisers screen all volunteers for links to extremists, there are fears some will descend on the area. The Hispanic criminal gang MS-13 has said it will try to attack the Minutemen.

Added to all this are the smuggling gangs along the border, who can be brutal. Last year one Arizona border resident angered smugglers who then peppered his home with bullets before burning it to the ground.

Less threatening are civil rights groups who will follow the Minutemen. They see the project as a thinly disguised white attack on the growing influence of Hispanics in the US. 'Now is the time for Latinos and Mexicanos in particular to make a call for unifying action against this incredible threat that represents itself in the form of the Minuteman Project,' said Armando Navarro, leader of the National Alliance for Human Rights, which plans to go to Tombstone to protest against the Minutemen.

Simcox said that is unfair. He says about 10 per cent of volunteers will be from ethnic minorities and that in the past three years his patrols have saved the lives of scores of illegal immigrants found seriously ill or dehydrated. 'We are not racists. We just want immigration to be legal and controlled,' he said.

Even the quickest glimpse of the border shows what a mammoth task that would be. For many miles, it is a simple 5ft barbed-wire fence a child could climb in seconds. The brutal desert on either side is the same dusty scrub, already starting to heat up as the brief desert spring ends. Tracks on the Mexican side lead right up to the fence itself.

The hard facts tell a simple story: patrolling has failed. A year ago that authorities pumped millions of dollars into boosting border security in Arizona, with 260 more agents, 28 vehicles, two spotter drones and two helicopters. Sensors were buried in the soil to detect humans near by. Yet illegal immigration rose.

Southern Arizona is now the main path of a 'human pipeline' from poor Mexico to rich US. Last year half a million illegal immigrants were caught here, up 41 per cent on the year before. It is thought the Border Patrol may only catch one in three. Arizona is now home to an estimated 500,000 illegal immigrants in a state with a population of just 5 million. The US as a whole has 11 million.

Last week George Bush and Mexican President Vicente Fox discussed immigration; it has also impacted on terrorism concerns. Republican senator Chuck Hagel, a possible future presidential candidate, visited the Arizona border town of Nogales and saw a series of sophisticated tunnels under the border used by illegal immigrants, smugglers and, possibly, infiltrating terrorists.

However, the US economy welcomes illegal immigrants even as politicians rant against them. Low-wage illegal immigrants are the backbone of many companies. In some cases, crackdowns on illegal workers have been opposed by companies wishing to protect their bottom line. Border Patrol agents constantly arrest illegals and push them back over the border. On the Mexican side, police provide advice on how to cross without danger.

But it is also a situation of deep tragedy. Hoover's group maintains a series of watering stations in the desert to save those dying of thirst. It does not always work. Last year 172 bodies were found, up from 151 in 2003. Many others are doubtless never discovered.

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Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

not nessisaily my opion,just a pulse on the nation, as it leads us to the civil war.....

Yeagh, I know. People should bear in mind however that there are a great many local cops on our side. I did agree on parts of that article, but much of it was way off base. For instance, most police officers are not against civilians defending themselves. If a citizen shoots a burgeler in their home, most want to thank them for ridding the world of a scumbag. It is the left wing prosicuters who railroad these folks, not the cops.
 
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MAG: BORDER PROTECTION TO ANNOUNCE ?SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN RESOURCES? IN ARIZONA
Sun Mar 27 2005 11:18:30 ET

U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials tell TIME?s Brian Bennett that they will announce a ?significant increase in resources? this week to address the influx of illegal immigrants still crossing by land in Arizona.

More than 500,000 illegal aliens were caught last year in southern Arizona alone, accounting for 52% of all undocumented migrants detained in the U.S. in 2004, TIME reports.

Chris Simcox, a small-town newspaper owner in Sierra Vista, Ariz. less than 10 miles from the Mexican border, is fed up with what he sees as government inaction in the face of lawlessness and a threat to national security. As head of a two-year-old group called the Civil Homeland Defense Corps, he is spearheading a new Minuteman Project that will place volunteers at quarter-mile intervals to watch a busy 50-mile stretch of border for the entire month of April. The goal, he says, is not to confront migrants but to monitor and report their locations to the U.S. Border Patrol.

Mexican President Vicente Fox has called groups like Simcox?s ?immigrant hunters,? and President Bush said last week, ?I?m against vigilantes.? Jennifer Allen of the Border Action Network says she is preparing a human-rights complaint against the U.S. government for ?failing to prosecute vigilante groups.? Local officials in Arizona start to worry about hundreds of Minuteman volunteers coming from out of state. Michael Nicely, head of the Border Patrol?s Tucson sector, says the Minuteman Project will ?hamper border safety,? TIME reports.

Developing...
It concerns me that somone is filing a human rights complaint against the government for "failing to prosecute" these people. The government tends to react to such things, the PC lobby is still quite powerful.
 
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On Matt Drudge's show earlier he was talking about how the Central American Gang MS 13 has put out an order to teach these minute men a lesson.

The leaders of the Texas and California chapters agreed and the head Miniute Man said he isnt worried since most of his guys are former combat soilders.

Looks like if theres a fire fight we know how its gonna start.
 
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It is sickening how the media keeps calling the Minutemen "vigilantes" when all they intend to do is monitor the illegals and report their positions to the border patrol. By this definition of vigilante if you see a crime occuring and you call the police, you are a vigilante!
 
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Were you mugged, raped, murdered or splattered over the road by a drunk driver today? No? Your welcome.:)[/b]

I have to agree with Darkwolf on this one. While it may be that who ever posted this was trying to be 'constructive' what jumps out at you is sheer malice and blind hatred. Reminds me of watching skinheads searching for intelligent things to say when confronted by folks that have a education.

The author of that has some pretty deep issues and a obvious ax to grind in a few directions.
 
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It looks like the minutemen aren't afraid of a little confrontation either...


Gang will target Minuteman vigil on Mexico border

http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/p.../print.php?Stor...

Members of a violent Central America-based gang have been sent to Arizona to target Minuteman Project volunteers, who will begin a monthlong border vigil this weekend to find and report foreigner sneaking into the United States, project officials say.

James Gilchrist, a Vietnam veteran who helped organize the vigil to protest the federal government's failure to control illegal immigration, said he has been told that California and Texas leaders of Mara Salvatrucha, or MS-13, have issued orders to teach "a lesson" to the Minuteman volunteers.

"We're not worried because half of our recruits are retired trained combat soldiers," Mr. Gilchrist said. "And those guys are just a bunch of punks."

More than 1,000 volunteers are expected to take part in the Minuteman vigil, which will include civilian patrols along a 20-mile section of the San Pedro River Valley, which has become a frequent entry point to the United States for foreigner headed north.

Newsweek Article on this gang

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7244879/site/newsweek /

The Most Dangerous Gang in America

The signs of a new threat in northern Virginia emerged ominously in blood-spattered urban streets and rural scrub. Two summers ago the body of a young woman who had informed against her former gang associates was found on the banks of the Shenandoah River, repeatedly stabbed and her head nearly severed. Last May in Alexandria, gang members armed with machetes hacked away at a member of the South Side Locos, slicing off some of his fingers and leaving others dangling by a shred of skin. Only a week later in Herndon, a member of the 18th Street gang was pumped full of .38-caliber bullets, while his female companion, who tried to flee, was shot in the back. The assailant, according to a witness, had a large tattoo emblazoned on his forehead. It read MS, for Mara Salvatrucha, the gang allegedly responsible for all these attacks.

At the nearby headquarters of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, agents?many of whom live in these communities?fielded the reports with mounting alarm. But Mara Salvatrucha, or MS-13, wasn't terrifying just northern Virginia. "They were popping up everywhere," says Chris Swecker, assistant director of the FBI's criminal investigative division. "It seemed like we were hearing more and more about MS-13." Then one day last fall, FBI Director Robert Mueller called Swecker into his office. "You have a mandate to go out and address this gang," Mueller told him. Mueller declared MS-13 the top priority of the bureau's criminal-enterprise branch?which targets organized crime?and authorized the creation of a new national task force to combat it. The task force, which includes agencies like the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), aims to take on MS-13 much as the FBI once tackled the Mafia.

Composed of mostly Salvadorans and other Central Americans?many of them undocumented?the gang has a uniquely international profile, with an estimated 8,000 to 10,000 members in 33 states in the United States (out of more than 700,000 gang members overall), and tens of thousands more in Central America. It's considered the fastest-growing, most violent and least understood of the nation's street gangs?in part because U.S. law enforcement has not been watching as closely as it might have. As authorities have focused their attention on the war against terrorism, MS-13 has proliferated. In the FBI's D.C. field office, the number of agents dedicated to gang investigations declined by 50 percent. "There was a definite shift in resources post-9/11 toward terrorism," says Michael Mason, assistant director in charge of that office. "As a result, we had fewer resources to focus on gangs," though he adds that the bureau made up for any shortfall by leveraging resources from other agencies. In recent weeks, authorities have made strides against MS-13: a gang leader accused of orchestrating a December bus bombing in Honduras that killed 28 people was arrested in Texas in February, and a recent seven-city sweep by ICE netted more than 100 reputed MS-13 members. But Robert Clifford, head of the new national task force, says "no single law-enforcement action is really going to deal the type of blow" necessary to dismantle the gang. No one is more interested in busting up MS-13 than leaders of the Latino community, who live with the fear and fallout of the gang's savage actions.



Not sure if this has been posted but it looks like this stories gettin more coverage.
 
Re: minuteman project... waco type event???

Not sure if this has been posted but it looks like this stories gettin more coverage.




Its sort of being filtered into the national concousness a bit at a time. I believe they did the same thing at Waco, didn't they? Releasing a few tidbits to make the Davidians look bad before the raid. Notice how they are setting both sides up to be the bad guys.
 

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