Would Jesus promote punishing the innocent instead of the guilty?

[Gnostic Christian]

Would Jesus promote punishing the innocent instead of the guilty?

Christians seem to think that Jesus took the punishment for sinners with his sacrifice/suicide on the cross. IOW, Christians see Jesus as asking Christians to abdicate their responsibility for their own sins and punishments.

If humans asked that, it would be considered quite immoral and unjust. All courts try hard to punish the guilty and not the innocent.

These quotes are what I think Jesus would have taught on this issue, him being a Jewish Rabbi.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments, yet Christians are doing just that in trying to use Jesus as their scapegoat.

Regards
DL

 

[NaturalPhilosopher]

Would Jesus promote punishing the innocent instead of the guilty?

Christians seem to think that Jesus took the punishment for sinners with his sacrifice/suicide on the cross. IOW, Christians see Jesus as asking Christians to abdicate their responsibility for their own sins and punishments.

If humans asked that, it would be considered quite immoral and unjust. All courts try hard to punish the guilty and not the innocent.

These quotes are what I think Jesus would have taught on this issue, him being a Jewish Rabbi.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments, yet Christians are doing just that in trying to use Jesus as their scapegoat.

Regards
DL

to be honest, you can't handle the answer.

 

[dimension-1hacker]

to be honest, you can't handle the answer.

?, well sin does not exist anyways, and hypothetically if your version of morals was the type the god believe to be correct it would be the most sinning creature of all. It created everything a certain way, nothing can be created though, and is described as omnipotent, lets assume in this thought experiment that it is true within the thought experiment, it knew everything about everything and knowingly beforehand knew that creating everything a certain way would cause billions of deaths on this plannet, plagues, poverty, and so on yet still did it knowingly. knowing sin, well the god causes all sin therefore it is the biggest sinner, nothing people do can be called sin if they were forced to by a sinning god. The gods aaa partner killed himself to "remove sin", well nothing can be removed but the gods low opinion, not the deeds themselves, unless a gods high regard is regarded as part of a subjective moral system. Most people can't take that logical answer though, if you don't like it try to disprove it, open to critism besides insults

 

[Gnostic Christian]

to be honest, you can't handle the answer.

IOW, you cannot argue or do decent apologetics for the immoral concept that Christians promote.

Like most Christians, you seem to be a moral coward.

Regards
DL

 

[NaturalPhilosopher]

phew...glad I didn't share.

ur like this dog:

 

[SinisterThinking]

As an Orthodox Christian(not like the people at rallies or giant churches), I feel compelled to answer. Sin isn't equitable with morals. Morality is a component of ethos. The argument just doesn't play. Sin is a Biblical thing. They cannot be compared. The best thing any Christian can do is accept that faith is a "presumed fact" with zero evidence. Meaning there is no real room to argue it from either side. Have faith and be happy. Fact is, no one can prove regulated quantum entanglement either.

 

[NaturalPhilosopher]

As an Orthodox Christian(not like the people at rallies or giant churches), I feel compelled to answer. Sin isn't equitable with morals. Morality is a component of ethos. The argument just doesn't play. Sin is a Biblical thing. They cannot be compared. The best thing any Christian can do is accept that faith is a "presumed fact" with zero evidence. Meaning there is no real room to argue it from either side. Have faith and be happy. Fact is, no one can prove regulated quantum entanglement either.

well said.
just one tiny ity bity weenie prob...
1)quite a bit of scientific evidence of crazy bible stuff, god, etc(in the suppressed science stuff)
2)regulated entanglement also exists.

so um..yeah

 

[dimension-1hacker]

well said.
just one tiny ity bity weenie prob...
1)quite a bit of scientific evidence of crazy bible stuff, god, etc(in the suppressed science stuff)
2)regulated entanglement also exists.

so um..yeah

can you prove that? provide sources, then logically prove that the sources are accurate. just saying it does not mean it does.

 

[SinisterThinking]

1. See, it doesn't matter. This is where I divide from Science. I know it's an ironic flaw but I accept it.
2. "regulated" entanglement kinda takes the mystery out of electrons consistently vibrating faster than light. Therefore, the idea of information traveling faster than the SOL has to be rejected.

 

[NaturalPhilosopher]

well that's the prevailing mindset...that it doesn't matter.
we know god is testing our hearts(obviously, temptations and all) but is he also testing our head?