sosuemetoo
Active Member
2004 Elections
Hello Frings!
I will try my best to debate you on these issues, I can't guarantee it will be with foreign sources though.
You're right, he didn't. However, if you remember after 9/11, Bush stood before our nation and the world and said "you are either with us or against us." Basically, if you harbor or finance terrorists, you are against us. WMD and Saddams's tyranny to his own people aside, Saddam was harboring and financing terrorists. I offer the following
You're right, Afghanistan did not attack us. However, the ruling government (Taliban) refused to give up Osama even AFTER Osama claimed responsibility for 9/11. What other proof did the Taliban need from us?
Please understand that I am not bashing any countries when I say this. This is a war on terrorism to keep Americans as well as our allies safe from terrorist that wish us dead. This is not a popularity contest. If America is unpopular, but I and my loved ones are safe, then that is what matters to me. Other countries have the right to fight terrorism in their country in their own way.
I understand propoganda very much. It's interesting, I was chatting online with someone from France who had no idea about this:
The US was not getting kickbacks from Saddam, however we are accused of going into there for Oil. This is the reason we did not have UN backing even after Saddam had broken 13 resolutions.
Yeah well.. USA, land of the free! (if you are caucasian, christian and have alot of money)[/quote]
This seems like an untrue statement to me. America is a melting pot of people from different countries, different faiths and different income levels. We do not discriminate against muslim's here. However, we have a right to mistrust those foreign extremists that threaten to kill us in our own land.
"Mom"
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Hello Frings!
I will try my best to debate you on these issues, I can't guarantee it will be with foreign sources though.
Originally posted by Fringan+Sep 9 2004, 11:21 AM--><div class='quotemain'>Oh please, fool the other one. Saddam never started any war agains the USA.[/b]
You're right, he didn't. However, if you remember after 9/11, Bush stood before our nation and the world and said "you are either with us or against us." Basically, if you harbor or finance terrorists, you are against us. WMD and Saddams's tyranny to his own people aside, Saddam was harboring and financing terrorists. I offer the following
Link:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Publ...sp?ZoomFont=YES
Excerpt:
"OSAMA BIN LADEN and Saddam Hussein had an operational relationship from the early 1990s to 2003 that involved training in explosives and weapons of mass destruction, logistical support for terrorist attacks, al Qaeda training camps and safe haven in Iraq, and Iraqi financial support for al Qaeda--perhaps even for Mohamed Atta--according to a top secret U.S. government memorandum obtained by THE WEEKLY STANDARD.
The memo, dated October 27, 2003, was sent from Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith to Senators Pat Roberts and Jay Rockefeller, the chairman and vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. It was written in response to a request from the committee as part of its investigation into prewar intelligence claims made by the administration. Intelligence reporting included in the 16-page memo comes from a variety of domestic and foreign agencies, including the FBI, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency, and the National Security Agency. Much of the evidence is detailed, conclusive, and corroborated by multiple sources. Some of it is new information obtained in custodial interviews with high-level al Qaeda terrorists and Iraqi officials, and some of it is more than a decade old. The picture that emerges is one of a history of collaboration between two of America's most determined and dangerous enemies.
According to the memo--which lays out the intelligence in 50 numbered points--Iraq-al Qaeda contacts began in 1990 and continued through mid-March 2003, days before the Iraq War began. Most of the numbered passages contain straight, fact-based intelligence reporting, which in
some cases includes an evaluation of the credibility of the source. This reporting is often followed by commentary and analysis."
Again, get your facts straight. Afghanistan has never attacked you. Afhanistan has never even threatened to attack you.
You're right, Afghanistan did not attack us. However, the ruling government (Taliban) refused to give up Osama even AFTER Osama claimed responsibility for 9/11. What other proof did the Taliban need from us?
Living in europe I can tell you, my friend, USA is not as popular as after the Clinton administration. Everyone seems to know this, except americans. Can you say "propaganda"?![]()
Please understand that I am not bashing any countries when I say this. This is a war on terrorism to keep Americans as well as our allies safe from terrorist that wish us dead. This is not a popularity contest. If America is unpopular, but I and my loved ones are safe, then that is what matters to me. Other countries have the right to fight terrorism in their country in their own way.
I understand propoganda very much. It's interesting, I was chatting online with someone from France who had no idea about this:
"Anti-war nations 'took bribes' before war began"
Link:
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle...sp?story=485407
Excerpt:
"28 January 2004
Claims that dozens of politicians, including some from prominent anti-war countries such as France, had taken bribes to support Saddam Hussein are to be investigated by the Iraqi authorities. The US-backed Iraqi Governing Council decided to check after an independent Baghdad newspaper, al-Mada, published a list which it said was based on oil ministry documents.
The 46 individuals, companies and organisations inside and outside Iraq were given millions of barrels of oil, the documents show. Thousands of papers were looted from the State Oil Marketing Organisation after Baghdad fell to US forces on 9 April."
The US was not getting kickbacks from Saddam, however we are accused of going into there for Oil. This is the reason we did not have UN backing even after Saddam had broken 13 resolutions.
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@Sep 9 2004, 01:24 PM
Foreign extremist muslims SHOULD be mistrusted.?
Yeah well.. USA, land of the free! (if you are caucasian, christian and have alot of money)[/quote]
This seems like an untrue statement to me. America is a melting pot of people from different countries, different faiths and different income levels. We do not discriminate against muslim's here. However, we have a right to mistrust those foreign extremists that threaten to kill us in our own land.
"Mom"
CaryP - These links are dittohead-free
