Bedtime for Democracy
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Judge Bean
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The point is, really, that the court and the family have thrashed it out and come to one of two really bad available conclusions. Whether Mr. Schiavo did anything wrong is a matter of local criminal investigation based upon reasonable suspicion-- the affidavits may provide the suspicion needed to investigate him, but that is a decision for local law enforcement.
It is not a case for, and none of the important decisions involved are appropriately the domain of, President Bush, the Congress, or the higher federal courts. If you make it a federal case of that type, you are doing two things, and I believe that Bush has done them both:
1. You are denying the privacy rights of individuals, and supplanting some sort of federal moral will in their place, and
2. You are usurping local law, power, and law enforcement, abandoning the rules of separation of powers, federal preemption, States' rights, and reserved rights of the States and people.
Both acts are incredible in light of the complaint of the neocons about "activist judges," and their purported beliefs in smaller government and that local governments should pay for their own rural firefighting, charity, and police protection.
Both acts are in violation of multiple sections of the Constitution and contrary to standing Supreme Court case law.
The point is, really, that the court and the family have thrashed it out and come to one of two really bad available conclusions. Whether Mr. Schiavo did anything wrong is a matter of local criminal investigation based upon reasonable suspicion-- the affidavits may provide the suspicion needed to investigate him, but that is a decision for local law enforcement.
It is not a case for, and none of the important decisions involved are appropriately the domain of, President Bush, the Congress, or the higher federal courts. If you make it a federal case of that type, you are doing two things, and I believe that Bush has done them both:
1. You are denying the privacy rights of individuals, and supplanting some sort of federal moral will in their place, and
2. You are usurping local law, power, and law enforcement, abandoning the rules of separation of powers, federal preemption, States' rights, and reserved rights of the States and people.
Both acts are incredible in light of the complaint of the neocons about "activist judges," and their purported beliefs in smaller government and that local governments should pay for their own rural firefighting, charity, and police protection.
Both acts are in violation of multiple sections of the Constitution and contrary to standing Supreme Court case law.
Re: Bedtime for Democracy
Keep asking the same question until you get a desired answered, if you don't get it, then Damn the flippin Law!
PINELLAS PARK - Rebuffed by the courts and unsuccessful in the legislature, state officials may attempt to place Terri Schiavo under protective custody so her feeding tube can be reinserted, The Herald learned this afternoon.
No timetable for a decision was clear, but events were moving at a rapid pace in the courts and in state offices today. The brain-damaged woman has been without food and water since her feeding tube was removed Friday.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/11204452.htm
Keep asking the same question until you get a desired answered, if you don't get it, then Damn the flippin Law!
PINELLAS PARK - Rebuffed by the courts and unsuccessful in the legislature, state officials may attempt to place Terri Schiavo under protective custody so her feeding tube can be reinserted, The Herald learned this afternoon.
No timetable for a decision was clear, but events were moving at a rapid pace in the courts and in state offices today. The brain-damaged woman has been without food and water since her feeding tube was removed Friday.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/11204452.htm
Re: Bedtime for Democracy
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Yes, the FL state legislature, at the urging of Jeb Bush, is attempting to intervene. However, there's no indication that there are enough votes to pass, and, similar legislation that was passed in 1996 was struck down in court anyway. So the likelihood that this will succeed is slim. Another political fiasco!
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Here's a site about the timeline and causes of Terri's condition if anyone's interested...
http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html
Here's a site about the timeline and causes of Terri's condition if anyone's interested...
http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html
StarLord
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Re: Bedtime for Democracy
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Zoomerz\")</div>
This kinda reminds me of the cartoon by Gary Larson at the "Institute For Challenged Thinkers, where the poor chap is pushing for all he's worth and the sign on the door says "PULL". The politicians have no clue where their boundries are nor have they agreed upon a proper job description.
They need to learn how to "err on the side of sanity", not insanity.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Zoomerz\")</div>
This kinda reminds me of the cartoon by Gary Larson at the "Institute For Challenged Thinkers, where the poor chap is pushing for all he's worth and the sign on the door says "PULL". The politicians have no clue where their boundries are nor have they agreed upon a proper job description.
They need to learn how to "err on the side of sanity", not insanity.
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Why are there so many facts disputed in this case? No one can agree on her actual state of health? It seems to me that if somone's life is on the line there could be a definitive impartial look at her actual situation. This being said even if she is in a vegetative state I just can't believe killing somone by dehydration is something that should be done. Why the hell are liberals against the death penalty for murderors and rapists but clamoring for Terri to die? This is crazy.
Why are there so many facts disputed in this case? No one can agree on her actual state of health? It seems to me that if somone's life is on the line there could be a definitive impartial look at her actual situation. This being said even if she is in a vegetative state I just can't believe killing somone by dehydration is something that should be done. Why the hell are liberals against the death penalty for murderors and rapists but clamoring for Terri to die? This is crazy.
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Follow the link above that Crosstika provided. It gives a very clear summary of details in the case, and represents the true "evidence" over the past 15 years. Not the short-term "propoganda" you're hearing in the last hours.
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Follow the court evidence and judicial summaries. Stop listening to the rhetoric being disseminated by primarily the parent's in an effort to hold onto their daughter. It's understandable, but wrong.
Follow the link above that Crosstika provided. It gives a very clear summary of details in the case, and represents the true "evidence" over the past 15 years. Not the short-term "propoganda" you're hearing in the last hours.
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