Could this be the rift that starts the civil war?

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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050331/D.../D8961I581.html

The feud between the parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, and their son-in-law continued even after her death: Brother Paul O'Donnell, an adviser to the Schindlers, said they and their two other children \"were denied access at the moment of her death. They've been requesting, as you know, for the last hour to try to be in there and they were denied access by Michael Schiavo. They are in there now, praying at her bedside.\"
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Minutes before the announcement of her death, Schiavo's parents, Mary and Bob Schindler, and her brother hurriedly entered the hospice in Pinellas Park, Florida.

Brother Paul O'Donnell, a spokesman for the Schindlers, said police denied their request to be with Schiavo when she died, but that her parents had access to their daughter's body after her death and prayed.

Michael Schiavo, Terri's husband and guardian, controlled who could visit her and when.

John Centonze, the brother of Michael Schiavo's live-in girlfriend Jodi Centonze, said Michael Schiavo was with Terri Schiavo when she died.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/31/schiavo/
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Michael was with her, but he wouldn't allow Terri's family to be there at her death.

I heard a radio commentator say this yesterday: "The pope is now on a feeding tube. It's a good thing he's not married and living in Florida."
 
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True, but if the pope was brain dead for the past 13 years, would he notice if he was hungry or thirsty? Where is the logic in keeping the human vehicle running if there is no one to drive it?

If that commentator had half a brain that worked, a concept like this would not be so difficult to work with.
 
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I'm afraid that I'm glad this is over. I feel really bad for the Schindlers who seem to have gotten the feces covered end of the stick from start to finish throughout this ordeal. I feel bad for the husband in that he is going to live under a cloud similar to the one O.J. Simpson lives under. Deserved or not, his future will be an uncomfortable one. I love my country and its people, but I have dubious emotions where the judicial system is concerned. It seems they could have done Terri Schindler (the contract ends with the death of one member of the partnership, so I have reverted to her maiden name) something more closely resembling justice. And finally, I worry about those parents you hear about in the news who keep their kids locked in closets without food, water, or santiation for weeks at a time who will see this case as a precident by which they may justify their actions. "Supreme Court says it's OK to starve someone and my kids are always playing that Nintendo crap, sitting there like vegetables......."

Tell me someone won't use this argument!!!
 
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Looks like mabey it almost did start something.


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Norm Olson: Parents' lawyer thwarted plan to send militias to aid Terri Schiavo

BY FRED GRAY NEWS-REVIEW STAFF WRITER
Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:39 PM EST

Norm Olson, senior adviser to the Michigan militia and pastor of a strong right-to-life church in Wolverine, said Tuesday he had put together an unarmed coalition of state militias that were prepared to storm the Florida hospice where Terri Schiavo has been left to die, and take her to a safe house.

Olson said he needed only the OK from Schiavo's father, Robert Schindler, either directly or through his attorney David Gibbs, to put the plan, called "Operation Resurrection," into action on Sunday.
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But Olson said Gibbs contacted the FBI instead of passing his message on to Schindler.

Olson said the FBI had been monitoring e-mails within militia groups and on Tuesday, March 29, sent an agent from Traverse City to his home in Alanson and other agents to militia leaders in the South to question them about the plan.

The FBI was unavailable for comment.

Olson said that last Thursday he phoned Gibbs' secretary with a message that he had organized 1,500 to 2,000 militia members from Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Florida, Georgia and Michigan, who were ready to remove Schiavo from the hospice and take her in a convoy to a safe house.

Olson said he never was able to speak directly to the Schindlers or Gibbs.

"Gibbs probably told the Schindlers not to get the militia involved. That's why Schindler came out with statement that he did not want any civil disobedience. Now they're begging for someone to do something, but it's too late," Olson said.

Olson said the militias needed time to arrange for an ambulance, medical support staff and a safe house before the plan could be put into action.

"We would have overwhelmed the local law enforcement," Olson said, adding the militias would not have been armed.

Olson said the other reason for the plan was to put Florida Republican Gov. Jeb Bush, the brother of the U.S. president, on the spot.

"He would have had to send in state police or the National Guard to turn us away," Olson said. "None of us believe that he is helpless. He is the chief officer of the state and has the power of executive clemency. (Jeb) Bush was a liar when he said he couldn't do it. He knows his office has to represent the people. And judges have to know they are not infallible. All this was thwarted by Gibbs."

He said the march to the hospice would have been similar to the massive March on Washington led by Martin Luther King in 1963.

"We were just going to push people out of the way. It was the mood and the heartbeat of America," he said.

"In reality there are four branches of government in America, and we the people are the fourth. That's what our march was going to do: Show the American people that we were still in control."

"We the people are the final judges, not the black-robed demons. I do not believe that 70 percent of the American people thought it was wrong for government to get involved. They turned around when they believed Terri Schiavo's was a lost cause and wanted to be on the winning side."

"America has lost hope because, where there's life there's hope, but it is the black-robed devils who are deciding who lives and dies."

"We should all err on the side of life, whether it's an unborn American or someone facing the end of life. The feeding tube is like an umbilical cord or premature babies in an ICU (intensive care unit).

"The case of Terri Schiavo is tragic, macabre, dark and evil," Olson said.

A Call to Action ...

Excerpts from Norm Olson's e-mails, in chronological order, to southern militias as he prepared a plan to organize a mass confrontation with Florida state law enforcement with a goal of removing Terri Schiavo from the hospice where she is dying to a safe house:

Wednesday, March 23:

"Are there militia in Florida who are willing to go rescue Terri?

"How about Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana?

"I've got some very angry Michigan militia folks chomping at the bit ..."

"Shall we save Terri Schiavo?

"The Courts say NO

"The Law Makers say NO

"The Executives say NO

"It's time for us to say: 'Let's Roll!'

Thursday, March 24:

"Florida Militia: Please contact me. We're going to need several hundred willing to storm the building. I suspect that hundreds of 'civilians' may go with us. There is very little time, but I've got people ready to roll tonight."

"Failure is very probable, but not to try is to fail already."

"Too small of a force will mean total failure. It is a 'Bridge Too Far' but with enough people it may work.

"It isn't a commando raid or sneak attack. It is a mass saturation of people able to overwhelm the minimal forces there at this time."

"A large scale military assault need not be bloody. As much as we might like to, care must be taken to avoid inflicting injury on the bad guys."

Sunday, March 27:

"I would ask Mr. and Mrs. Schindler to make the following statement:

'We have said that we do not want civil disobedience to save Terri's life. But time is nearly gone. We are asking that the militia and concerned citizens intervene immediately, doing WHATEVER IS NECESSARY to save our daughter." (emphasis in the original)

"I'm at a total loss as to what to do. Unless the parents ask for our help, we would be walking into a disaster... I can imagine that the pacifists (spineless Christians and others) would actually oppose OUR effort to save Terri, saying that civil disobedience is against God's Will..."

"Without the Schlinders' clear and decisive call to the militia, we would be faced with civilians who would oppose us for resorting to civil disobedience to free Terri. As much as I would want to try, it is a mission impossible. There is just no workable plan."

Fred Gray can be contacted at 439-9374 or [email protected]
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Great Mother of Insanity. He would have been at a much greater loss if he had tried to do anything. Can you imagine the monster Cluster this would have created?
What a perfect use for a militia right???
It's half brained idiots that think they are doing the right thing like this that give me the willies. Mixing half a idea with halfwits is not a good combination imho.

Dueling banjos......
 
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The real victims in all this are the Schindlers, Imagine the huge media withdrawal they're gonna have to suffer through.. * shivers*
 
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Crosstika,

Kent State was a major event of the anti-war movement of the late 1960's. Here's a song by Neil Young, performed by Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young about the event. Has some relavence today, or some day soon. I found a link with lyrics and guitar chords at ultimate-guitar.com (in case you played the guitar). Apparently the boys down at ultimate-guitar don't show much respect for their elders, but find the song "cool" Good question. What's Kent State?

Cary


http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/y/youn...in_ohio_crd.htm


Four Dead In Ohio Chords by Young Neil, www.Ultimate-Guitar.Com? Four Dead In Ohio Chords @ 911Tabs.Com
"Four Dead in Ohio"
by Neil Young

okeedokers here you go. even though this is a stupid hippy song, it's still cool. if you
don't know what it's about, it's about the Kent State thingy that happened during the
Vietnam War.

Dm F C Dm F C
Tin soldiers and Nixon's coming we're finally on our own

Dm F C Dm F C
this summer I hear the drumming four dead in Ohio

Gm7 C
Gotta get down to it soldiers are gunning us down

Gm7 C
should of been done long ago

Gm7 C
what if you knew her and found her dead on the ground

Gm7 C
how can you run when you know?

La la la la la la la la la la la la la la la
la la la la la la la la la la la la la la
Gotta get down to it soldiers are gunning us down
should of been done long ago
what if you knew her and found her dead on the ground
how can you run when you know?

Tin soldiers and Nixon's coming we're finally on our own
this summer I hear the drumming four dead in Ohio
Dm F C
four dead in Ohio (repeat and fade)
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