DOOPArts: documented-out-of-place artifacts

Re: DOOPArts: documented-out-of-place artifacts

StarLord said:
Let's see, your site, the PPHC Study Group" has been open for how long?
And in that site you provide a space for people to question specific claims correct?
You have been out on the internet for about 6 years spreading something supposedly written and researched by one Ronald Pegg?
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Yes.
Ronald Pegg claimed to have ‘Evidence of Time Travel’.
So I set up a study group to investigate such matters, and asked people on the internet for their views, opinions, and comments.
Unsurprisingly, many people were against the idea of Time Travel.
One person said
Surely any serious study should at least be based on whether the subject matter is possible or not.
There's not much point in theorising something if it is impossible to do in the first place.
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My Reply
If you assume it is impossible, then a search for evidence of time travel will not be undertaken - therefore, if there IS evidence of time travel, we would not know about it, and inadvertently, seemingly confirm the negative assumption.

Back in those early days on the internet, the project was called Search for Evidence of Time Travel.
People’s opinions were utilized to help form a Study Criterion. (Details via the given link.)
 
Re: DOOPArts: documented-out-of-place artifacts

StarLord said:
I have to say, on the whole, these folks from all of these links {back in 2004} cleaned your clock on every thread you posted on.
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Actually, mostly they either voiced their opposition to Pegg’s claims or they declared my presentation of controversial new discoveries as spam.
Many people did not bother to read the presented research of those earlier times by following the links and reading all the freely available information.
Either way, their opinions did not and do not invalidate Pegg’s work.

Without credible Peer Review, your assumptions equal that of Sitchin. Please link and or show where papers have been submitted, what peers have reviewed them and their findings.
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Ronald Pegg’s works (ie. copies of his original research Booklets) were sent to 7 Australian Universities on 12th October 2000.
Who reviewed them and what they concluded is unknown to me.

{on the internet…}
5/5/2004 you first appear as "Edward Teller" ?
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No. Mr Teller was a Group Leader who also posted on the internet and held study groups.

Extract from the 2004 PPHC Study Group website page “Project Chronology of Personnel”.
1. Ronald Pegg - Townsville, Queensland. 1996 to Mar 2002

Group Leaders
2. John Page - Melbourne, Victoria. 1998 to Nov 2001

3a. Eddy Pengelly - Adelaide, South Australia. July 1998 to Aug 2003

3b. PPHC-SG Study Group. Jul 2003 to Dec 2003

Evaluation Groups (and Internet activities)
.. Page. 2001

4. Edward Teller - Perth, Western Australia. 2002

.. Pengelly. Feb to May 2003

5. James Burroughs - USA, 2004


I'm sure there are more fishing expeditions from "Edward Teller ne Eddy Pengelly" out there... Funny how you both write the same isn't it?
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It would be strange if we wrote drastically different !
 [FONT=&quot]Page, Teller, and myself were all citing Pegg’s work and generally following Page’s method of presenting public information sessions and internet postings.
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Re: DOOPArts: documented-out-of-place artifacts

StarLord said:
What exactly would be gained by going back in time and show people the information on those CD's?
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To show them that the info and images from those cds - that were earlier taken back as part of a ‘time travel experiment’ - were the cause and origin of the world’s religions due to 5,000 years of misunderstandings and perceptions.
your claims are that someone came during the time periods you say, collected a 386 computer and CD Roms and then went back in time to do what? WHO was it that did that? WHO sent them?
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Based upon over ten years of research of investigating Pegg’s ‘Time Travel’ theory, this is how I see it.

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1. For some reason, someone, with a set of cd-roms and a computer, went back to the ancient Middle East (ca. 3114BCE), and gave a show & tell.
Reasoning/evidence - Akkadian, Mesopotamian, Babylonian, and Egyptian legends (and hieroglyphs) describe (and depict) contents of the cd-roms.
1.b. Result – ancient religions with multiple gods.

2. Someone, then went back again (ca. 1450BCE) to say to the locals “whoops, your religions are wrong because they are based upon the images from these cd-roms” (shown to the priests again).
2. b. Result - one god religions spawned. A) Egyptian Aten, B) Hebrew Faith.
Reasoning/evidence - Papyrus of Ani shows, describes, and depicts a computer, compact disk, etc. Genesis chp 1 describes opening sequence of the Ancients cd-rom.

3. Someone (named Gabriel in Ezekiel’s case), then went back again (ca. 600BCE) to say to the locals “whoops, your religions are wrong because they are based upon the images from these cd-roms” (shown to the priests again). But this time the angel specifically spoke to Daniel (for example) about the 1991 PGW, and when all these ‘mistakes’ will be corrected.
Reasoning/evidence - Ezekiel, Daniel, Lehi texts describe the contents of the cd-rom, and Daniel various segments of ‘future history’.
3. b. Result - while augmenting the Hebrew Faith with a new set of texts called prophetic texts, this actually did not ‘birth’ any new religions.

4. Someone, then went back again (ca. 30CE) and told the Roman person Paul “whoops, the Hebrew religion is wrong because it is based upon the images from these cd-roms” (shown to Paul).
Reasoning/evidence - Paul describes seeing the cd-rom maker’s logo.
4.b. Result - He told his story to others, and their combined stories became the basis for the ‘Jesus Stories’. (The later Roman Christian Religion three centuries later made this into the ‘son of God’ religion that we know about today).

5. Someone, then went back again (ca. 95CE) and told John on Patmos Island Paul “whoops, Paul and the other have got it wrong because the Jesus stories are based upon the encounter Paul had with a time traveller plus the imagery from these cd-roms” (shown AND explained to John).
Result - John’s Book of Revelation is his account of this encounter and includes the modern historical events told to him along with the images he saw from the cd-roms. While augmenting the Jesus Stories with a new prophetic text, this actually did not ‘birth’ a new religion. (But again, the Roman Christian Religion later use the ‘knowledge of the future’ to their advantage to continue to assert an emotional hold over their followers.)

6. Someone (named Gabriel), then went back again (ca. 600CE) and told Mohammed “whoops, the Hebrew and Roman Christian religions have got it wrong because they are based upon the images from these cd-roms” (shown to him in, and known as the Night Journey).
6.b. Result - a brand new religion was birthed.

7. Someone, then went back again (ca. 1811) and visited Smith Snr in America and told him “whoops, the Muslim, Hebrew, Roman Christian and Other Christian religions have got it wrong because they are based upon the images from these cd-roms” (shown to him),
Reasoning/evidence - Smith Snr tells of seeing the ‘animals in the box’ (ie. the animal icons from the Ancients main menu screen on the monitor).
7.b. Result - Confusion, but supports his son later when a similar story id told to him.

8. Someone (at least two), then went back again (ca. 1827) and visited Smith Jnr in America and him “whoops, the Muslim, Hebrew, Roman Christian and Other Christian religions have got it wrong because they are based upon the images from these cd-roms”.
This time a different set of texts (ancient Hebrew historical texts) were given to Smith, which he translated. But just the compact disks were given with those other texts (the artifacts mentioned in the B.O.M).
Reasoning/evidence - picture of plastic jewel cases being held by witnesses.
8.b. The contemporary Church stopped Smith’s endeavour, and others later created the new Mormon Church based upon their existing Christian beliefs.

These are just some of the main Faiths discovered by Pegg as having encounters with time travellers. There are many others, including Nostradamus.
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As you can see, I do not know who the 'someone' is, but the above conclusion is derived not only from the evidence presented by Pegg, but also from my subsequent years of research and investigations.
 
Re: DOOPArts: documented-out-of-place artifacts

StarLord said:
IF they can travel in time, why screw around with a "desk" type 386? - The case, the monitor and the keyboard... advanced as they would be, logic dictates taking the very best of portability and ease = A Laptop.
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Logically, I agree. But the evidence shows otherwise.
Here are answers to some previously asked questions.

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Why did 'time messengers' keep taking back the same computer and cd-roms to the past ?

The computer and cd-roms were the means by which certain information, particularly pictures, of the same modern events could be shown to ancient people in an attempt to make them document in their texts what will happen in their distant future.
When it was discovered that a time experiment and visit to Mesopotamia was the initial cause of Religions, it was decided to show ancient people a particular future war (the 1991 Persian Gulf War) that will be fought in the name of Religion in the same country (now known as Iraq), in an attempt to persuade them that what the previous prophets saw was not from a divine God or gods .

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Why were those particular cd-roms chosen ?

Specifically, the Grolier cd-rom shows an audio-visual presentation of the future Mesopotamian (ie. Iraq) war. As previously noted, the Ancients cd-rom was relevant to neighbouring regions from which future civilizations would emerge. The RedShift2 cd-rom contains an astronomical event that occurred in 1992/4, being the comet ShoemakerLevy 9 incidents.

They all contain particular historical information (ie. modern historical events and people) that provide a combined datable set of resources. While this data was shown to ancient people, it meant nothing to them, and as such, would not change or destroy the time line (ie. change our historical past). But because these (future) details were written down in ancient texts, when they actually occur (in the future), certain people would be able to recognize these events and literally decode the Bible (and other ancient texts).

A more basic answer is that they are all of the same era, and as such, run on the same desktop computer system. One of the disks (Grolier) came with the PC386 cd-drive up-grade package.

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Why did they take back a 386 personal desktop computer ?

It was the minimum system that would run the four particular cd-roms.

At some time in the future, someone was going to notice that the images from a certain cd-rom that run on a certain computer match to the described imagery by nearly all the ancient prophets. (From a religious perspective, this was the foretold 'unsealing of the Book with Seven Seals'.) That someone was Ronald Pegg from Queensland Australia (the biblical Second Witness). In contrast to all the previous ancient people who were shown the images on a computer due to some type of time travel encounter (ie. visions in a bright light by an angel), Pegg just went out and bought the current 'modern' computer package from his local shop - which just happened to include one of the cd-roms.

If a different type of computer was taken back to the past each time, then there would not be a consistent trail of clues documented in ancient texts that could be traced back (forward) to a particular computer system.
As Pegg was using the same computer and cd-roms that were documented in ancient texts, it was easy for him to identify the technology being described and the contents of the cd-roms.

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Why not return to the past with more sophisticated wireless hardware ?

For similar reasons as previously stated. Pegg may not have recognised sophisticated wireless hardware back in 1998 when he first made his cd-rom discoveries.

A report made by Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery on Sunday April 3 1836 in Kirtland U.S.A. appears to describe a laptop computer, but this has not yet been verified.

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Where was the electricity source to power computers in the ancient world ?

It is surmized that if the technology was available to make and send a time machine, chrononauts, and a computer back in time, then it would be a relative simple matter to power an older style computer.

It was elsewhere explained that Noah's Ark was a computer carry and storage box. The computer fitted into the smaller end, while the 200 x 50 x 30 cm end contains enough space for a series of batteries that would be able to power a computer.

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Explaining computer usage to grandparents can pose a huge challenge even when there is no language barrier.
How long did the messenger(s) stay in the past to teach people how to use the compact disks (ie. the sealed 'history books') ?

It is believed that each visit was very short, and that only the particular ancient person (now known as a prophet) was shown the cd-rom presentations on a computer so they could record what they were told and what they viewed. They were not taught how to use the computer as such, but some were specifically shown how to load a new compact disk and use the mouse themselves (eg. John of Patmos and Nostradamus).

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What language would have been used to communicate with all the different cultures given the obvious language diversity ?

We do not know the answer to that, but language may not have been totally necessary. Pictures were the medium. You do not need words to show men fighting (in the case of the Grolier's War presentation).
Any modern language spoken by the time messengers would not have been understood by the ancient Mesopotamians nor the Egyptians.

But this question may be relevant for later encounters.
The Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean CD-Rom was distributed in the four languages of English, French, German, and Italian.

Was the Italian version sent back to the Roman and Greek eras (and to John on Patmos island) along with an Italian speaking chrononaut specifically to communicate with the Latin speaking Romans and Greeks (cf. Delphi Oracle) ?

Was the French version and a French speaking chrononaut sent back to Nostradamus ?

Was the German version being sent back to Martin Luther in Germany the catalyst for the Reformation in the 1500s ?

Did Joseph Smith Jnr view the English version in circa 1830CE ?

- - - Extracts from WBD website’s Qs & As page (used with permission)
 
Re: DOOPArts: documented-out-of-place artifacts

Nonsense.

Let people do their own research on these following threads and what ever other threads at those sites you SPAMed in. There is no reason to recreate the wheel as those people have already done a fine job in pointing out your errors in thinking and Totally Debunking what you are selling.

5/5/2004 you first appear as "Edward Teller" ?
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=24151

AND
3/6/2004
http://test.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm....n=msg&m=262194


11/25/2004 Your first appearance as Eddy P at Unexplained Mysteries. Unexplained Mysteries would prove to be your Little Big Horn.
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com...1&#entry371632

8/21/2005
http://hypography.com/forums/theolog...scoveries.html

8/4/2007
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=106169

2/25/2008
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/fo...?topic=14073.0
 
Re: DOOPArts: documented-out-of-place artifacts

That was a bunch of rambling, and now I regret reading it. Eddy, do you hear yourself?
 
Re: DOOPArts: documented-out-of-place artifacts

Bullshit is a better term.

Here's a better picture of his nonesense over at Harte's old almamatter UM:

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=search&fromMainBar=1

Type in: Eddy_P in the "Author" spot search the "Forums"

Eddy P's shenanigans reminds me of the old FUBU clothing line. FUBU For Us By Us.

It's our study Group so we say what's right and wrong, what fits and what does not fit.

Reality, Real Science, Real History and Facts Be Damned.
 
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DoopArts Hoax:

What's eminently clear is that Ronald Pegg and company don't know Christmas street from Bourke street. They haven't got half a brass razoo amongst em, so that's why they prey on folks that have. Waiting for sense to come out of that study group is like waiting for the bush telly to phone home. This Clayton's rendition of a shoehorned bushman's hankey run amok real history is like taking a 10kg hammer and fitting square peggs soundly into round holes with the uber effrontery of using concepts like discovery and study group. Christ on a crutch, that's like claiming that Acca Dacca was tutored by Toots & The Maytals.

Ayree, Eye & Eye Rastafarai, are ya feeling me Eddy Mon? Pegg's fantasy be asunder with chunder from down under Mon. It's cactus Mon. If you piled all dem thousands of facts you be claiming, one atop de other, a road kill ant would be taller. Listen Mon, dis clacker exposé of nonsense is crook. Der be as much truth as a dingo's breakfast. A Dill would have to be your only customer.

Cobber, you are peddling drongo tucker. None of its fit to plug a leak in the dunny. It's the dux of insanity. Fruit loop punch that amounts to naught but furfy. Pegg's got a roo loose in the top paddock and you're carrying his case fer what, selling more EBooks?
To even imagine that you have any offsiders associated with you on this, causes migraines the size of the outback. When you skite on the bowl of raw prawns, trust us when we tell you it's not as spiffy as your clapboard says it is. Technicolor yawn is all it will ever amount to.

In short mate, your selling Metho as Four X.


Now this here, take these tasty tidbits of twattle:

My immediate observations in bold.

""Pegg left the project in February 2002 giving the following reasons...
1. He felt he had done all that was needed to do.
What, he ran out of places to connect rubbish to?
2. To remain the “un-known witness” spoken of in the Bible and the Koran, he had to stay out of the public’s eye.
Are you seriously associating that pack of lies to religion? I'd call that a Red Herring if there ever was.
3. The ancient texts seem to infer that other people would carry on the project.
LOL!!!!
4. He was in fear of his life from
a.) contemporary religious governments who may not like their hold over the general public being removed.
b.) possible intervention to erase him by future time travellers with political and/or religious agendas.""
RIIIGGGHHHHT... It's not like this would be the first time anyone ever heard this excuse. In fact, it's almost a knee slapper as the whopper known as the "Didn't want to make time ripples, didn't want to alert the Time Police and the ever famous, the MIB were after me...

You wouldn't be a relation to zeshua, hdrkid or the people that made up John Titor would you?
 
Re: DOOPArts: documented-out-of-place artifacts

This guy is saying ancient Egyptians learned history from cd's on a 386 and you think Star is the one smoking?

Walking away sloooowly
 

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