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I'm going to be reading these links, appreciate your post and yeah I mean if I can trim my humble opinion I mean who knows what is what for propaganda who's being misled where we really honestly don't know and that's the whole mystery of Life not knowing things but yet speculating and it's just I don't know but there are things that are okay so I'm going to look for the video where psychiatrist analyze Trump.

I'm not a person who wants war to happen a world or civil but as somebody who's just generally concerned about certain things and I just do have a lot of questions cuz I'm a skeptic on everything basically but it kind of seems like we're kind of leaning more inwards and I'm not sure if you seen the quote that he posted by Lincoln I mean I honestly truly believe that if we were to be destroyed we would destroy ourselves and a lot of that has to do with greed and power struggles like the need to always be the one on top or the one that's right like I said I'm neither a democrat or a republican if I were to vote I'd probably vote independent but I mean I just don't dive into it that's why I said I don't have much say on things like that and that's why I mentioned that I didn't vote personally because I honestly just I don't know in my opinion it was which of the evils do we choose because neither are good for us to be honest with you and that's my humble opinion.
 
I'm going to be reading these links, appreciate your post and yeah I mean if I can trim my humble opinion I mean who knows what is what for propaganda who's being misled where we really honestly don't know and that's the whole mystery of Life not knowing things but yet speculating and it's just I don't know but there are things that are okay so I'm going to look for the video where psychiatrist analyze Trump.

I'm not a person who wants war to happen a world or civil but as somebody who's just generally concerned about certain things and I just do have a lot of questions cuz I'm a skeptic on everything basically but it kind of seems like we're kind of leaning more inwards and I'm not sure if you seen the quote that he posted by Lincoln I mean I honestly truly believe that if we were to be destroyed we would destroy ourselves and a lot of that has to do with greed and power struggles like the need to always be the one on top or the one that's right like I said I'm neither a democrat or a republican if I were to vote I'd probably vote independent but I mean I just don't dive into it that's why I said I don't have much say on things like that and that's why I mentioned that I didn't vote personally because I honestly just I don't know in my opinion it was which of the evils do we choose because neither are good for us to be honest with you and that's my humble opinion.
Yeah I agree with the Lincoln quote, but from the other side than @MODAT7.

From my perspective it’s the right that is going to be the cause of the US failing, not the left. I understand that both sides are both screwing things up in different ways but I still think the right is making things worse than the left. They’re the ones who want civil war and I made a post about my opinion on that way back in 2021.
 
Yeah I agree with the Lincoln quote, but from the other side than @MODAT7.

From my perspective it’s the right that is going to be the cause of the US failing, not the left. I understand that both sides are both screwing things up in different ways but I still think the right is making things worse than the left. They’re the ones who want civil war and I made a post about my opinion on that way back in 2021.
See to me it doesn't matter if it's the left or the right the up the down the middle of the all around I don't care but the thing is we're going to do it to ourselves it doesn't matter who the hell's behind it we are doing it to ourselves and that's all that matters and people have to realize what we're doing to our own country by our own hands just it's it's just I don't know it's not even worth it's just not even worth any words anymore I think everybody's f***** up.
 
See to me it doesn't matter if it's the left or the right the up the down the middle of the all around I don't care but the thing is we're going to do it to ourselves it doesn't matter who the hell's behind it we are doing it to ourselves and that's all that matters and people have to realize what we're doing to our own country by our own hands just it's it's just I don't know it's not even worth it's just not even worth any words anymore I think everybody's f***** up.
I pretty much agree, but there’s only so much we can do with the options we have. The people who want to make good changes just don’t get the votes for one reason or another. We just keep voting for people who are Red or Blue even when both options suck. Because of that, the rest of us are forced to abstain or vote for the lesser evil.
 
And what point is that, exactly?


@deathofbeauty, you see, this is what the liberals do. They try to sound eloquent. They ignore what you say. They manipulate what you say. They make themselves sound like the victim. Then they go off on some tangent to waste time.

I haven’t been on Obama care but a lot of people are and there is nothing good to replace it right now. Taking it away will make things worse unless there is a suitable replacement. Every time Trump has been asked about his plan he doesn’t have anything but a concept of a plan. No real plan. I’m sorry to hear it’s hard for you, but the reality is that a lot of people depend on Obamacare right now.

If you have such a hard time with your health costs, do you support healthcare for all or not? If it were up to Dems your health costs would be nonexistent.
The idiot liberals broke it, the idiot liberals own it. So I should just be happy I have shit healthcare when what I had before was pretty good??? I had access to nearly every doctor across the country, but now I only have access to a few mediocre doctors across a very large metroplex. Why did the liberals FORCE people to buy what they didn't like or wanted with IRS penalties??? (that were eventually repealed, but not by the liberals) Why would people want healthcare THEY STILL CAN'T AFFORD??? What's so affordable about a $7-9k TOOPE??? Did you read anything I said? Why the hell did the idiot liberals create yet another government healthcare bureaucracy??? Medicare/caid wasn't enough??? Why did the idiot liberals let the big insurance companies literally write most of the Unafordable Care Act? The liberals are in bed with them. Guess who suddenly started making record profits and then controversial political donations in return??? I want back what I had before, and I want fucking obamacare to be ended. Before you reply to this, go read my original paragraph about this again. obamacare was a disaster out the starting line. It didn't fix anything! But it made a lot of greedy executives rich at the expense of the people!

Moving on...

As far as Trump and Epstein, I tend to think this is more politically neutral:

So why didn't hardly any of these accusers bring charges against Trump in this highly charged political environment with a lot of liberal support for them??? If their charges were true, it would have been an easy payday for their alledged suffering.

Every link you listed is far left and not even close to neutral analysis.

Wikipedia is NOT politically neutral. Take it from the co-founder himself:
and a deep bonus article:

These articles are amazingly well written and convey what I have difficulty doing. Even the commenters are well spoken. I recommend for everyone to read them. These are a real gem in a messy world, and explain why I outright discredit so many news sources.
 
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I did a quick search and found some more JFK quotes. Some of these surprised me.

Our true choice is not between tax reduction on the one hand and the avoidance of large federal deficits on the other. It is increasingly clear that no matter what party is in power, so long as our national security needs keep rising, an economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenues to balance our budget, just as it will never produce enough jobs or enough profits.

One person can make a difference, and everyone should try.

Ask not that the journey be easy; ask instead that it be worth it.

Things do not happen. Things are made to happen.

All of us do not have equal talent, but all of us should have an equal opportunity to develop our talent.

A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.

I will splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the winds.

Lets talk to one another instead of about one another.

We are not here to curse the darkness, but to light the candle that can guide us through that darkness to a safe and sane future.

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

There can be no progress if people have no faith in tomorrow.

The rights of every man are diminished when the rights of one man are threatened.

Too often we... enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.

Only an educated and informed people will be a free people.
 
Another quick search found a lot of Abraham Lincoln quotes. Here are the ones from the first several pages that stood out to me. Some are along the lines you are looking for.


We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.

The most reliable way to predict the future is to create it.

Great men are ordinary men with extra ordinary determination.

Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.

You must remember that some things legally right are not morally right.

Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right.

It is a sin to be silent when it is your duty to protest.

You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.

You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.

Discipline is choosing between what you want now, and what you want most.

If you once forfeit the confidence of your fellow citizens, you can never regain their respect and esteem. It is true that you may fool all of the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all of the time; but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. -Speech at Clinton, Illinois, September 8, 1854.

A house divided against itself cannot stand.

If there is anything that links the human to the divine, it is the courage to stand by a principle when everybody else rejects it.

When you make it to the top, turn and reach down for the person behind you.

When arguing with a fool, make sure the opponent isn't doing the exact same thing.

Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe.

Any society that takes away from those most capable and gives to the least will perish.

Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new after all.

Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves.

I am a slow walker, but I never walk back.

I can see how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the Earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how a man could look up into the heavens and say there is no God.

Those who look for the bad in people will surely find it.

When you reach the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on.

I would rather be a little nobody, then to be a evil somebody.

Character is like a tree and reputation its shadow. The shadow is what we think it is and the tree is the real thing.

Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle.

I do not think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry.

I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts, and beer.

Achievement has no color.

From whence shall we expect the approach of danger? Shall some trans-Atlantic military giant step the earth and crush us at a blow? Never. All the armies of Europe and Asia...could not by force take a drink from the Ohio River or make a track on the Blue Ridge in the trial of a thousand years. No, if destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of free men we will live forever or die by suicide.

No matter how much the cats fight, there always seem to be plenty of kittens.

The ballot is stronger than the bullet.

You can have anything you want if you want it badly enough. You can be anything you want to be, do anything you set out to accomplish if you hold to that desire with singleness of purpose.

My great concern is not whether you have failed, but whether you are content with your failure.

Hypocrite: The man who murdered his parents, and then pleaded for mercy on the grounds that he was an orphan.

Honor to the soldier and sailor everywhere, who bravely bears his country's cause. Honor, also, to the citizen who cares for his brother in the field and serves, as he best can, the same cause.

If this country is ever demoralized, it will come from trying to live without work.

Stand with anyone that is right; stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong.

Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves, and, under a just God cannot retain it.

Determine that the thing can and shall be done and then... find the way.

Our safety, our liberty, depends upon preserving the Constitution of the United States as our fathers made it inviolate.

The people of the United States are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.

Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties.

Commitment is what transforms a promise into reality.

A capacity, and taste, for reading, gives access to whatever has already been discovered by others. It is the key, or one of the keys, to the already solved problems. And not only so. It gives a relish, and facility, for successfully pursuing the [yet] unsolved ones.

That some achieve great success, is proof to all that others can achieve it as well.

In times like the present, men should utter nothing for which they would not willingly be responsible through time and eternity.

Force is all conquering, but it's victories are short lived.

If frienship is your weakest point then you are the strongest person in the world.

You can’t make a weak man strong by making a strong man weak.

You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.

You cannot have the right to do what is wrong!

Writing, the art of communicating thoughts to the mind through the eye, is the great invention of the world...enabling us to converse with the dead, the absent, and the unborn, at all distances of time and space.

That some should be rich shows that others may become rich, and hence is just encouragement to industry and enterprise. Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another; but let him labor diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence built.

The philosophy of the schoolroom in one generation is the philosophy of government in the next.

It often requires more courage to dare to do right than to fear to do wrong.

No man is good enough to govern another man without that other’s consent.

Education does not mean teaching people what they do not know. It means teaching them to behave as they do not behave.

A friend is one who has the same enemies as you have.

Upon the subject of education, not presuming to dictate any plan or system respecting it, I can only say that I view it as the most important subject which we as a people can be engaged in.

Anybody will do for you, but not for me. I must have somebody.

Tis better people think you a fool, then open your mouth and erase all doubt.

"The problem with internet quotes is that you cannot always depend on their accuracy.” ― Abraham Lincoln 1864 (ok, maybe this one is questionable)

Through their deeds, the dead of battle have spoken more eloquently for themselves than any of the living ever could. But we can only honor them by rededicating ourselves to the cause for which they gave a last full measure of devotion.

Never do anything for anyone who can just as well do it themself.

Accustomed to trample on the rights of those around you, you have lost the genius of your own independence, and become the fit subjects of the first cunning tyrant who rises.

I am rather inclined to silence, and whether that be wise or not, it is at least more unusual nowadays to find a man who can hold his tongue than to find one who cannot.

Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.

Truth is generally the best vindication against slander.

I will study and prepare myself, and someday my chance will come.

If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right!

The world has never had a good definition of the word liberty, and the American people, just now, are much in want of one. We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others the same word may mean for some men to do as they please with other men, and the product of other men’s labor. Here are two, not only different, but incompatible things, called by the same name, liberty. And it follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties, called by two different and incompatible names, liberty and tyranny. The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep’s throat, for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as a liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act as the destroyer of liberty, especially as the sheep was a black one. Plainly the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of the word liberty.
 
I'm sorry your reading comprehension skills are failing. Or was that intentional?

@deathofbeauty, you see, this is what the liberals do. They try to sound eloquent. They ignore what you say. They manipulate what you say. They make themselves sound like the victim. Then they go off on some tangent to waste time.


The idiot liberals broke it, the idiot liberals own it. So I should just be happy I have shit healthcare when what I had before was pretty good??? I had access to nearly every doctor across the country, but now I only have access to a few mediocre doctors across a very large metroplex. Why did the liberals FORCE people to buy what they didn't like or wanted with IRS penalties??? (that were eventually repealed, but not by the liberals) Why would people want healthcare THEY STILL CAN'T AFFORD??? What's so affordable about a $7-9k TOOPE??? Did you read anything I said? Why the hell did the idiot liberals create yet another government healthcare bureaucracy??? Medicare/caid wasn't enough??? Why did the idiot liberals let the big insurance companies literally write most of the Unafordable Care Act? The liberals are in bed with them. Guess who suddenly started making record profits and then controversial political donations in return??? I want back what I had before, and I want fucking obamacare to be ended. Before you reply to this, go read my original paragraph about this again. obamacare was a disaster out the starting line. It didn't fix anything! But it made a lot of greedy executives rich at the expense of the people!

Moving on...

As far as Trump and Epstein, I tend to think this is more politically neutral:

So why didn't hardly any of these accusers bring charges against Trump in this highly charged political environment with a lot of liberal support for them??? If their charges were true, it would have been an easy payday for their alledged suffering.

Every link you listed is far left and not even close to neutral analysis.

Wikipedia is NOT politically neutral. Take it from the co-founder himself:
and a deep bonus article:

These articles are amazingly well written and convey what I have difficulty doing. Even the commenters are well spoken. I recommend for everyone to read them. These are a real gem in a messy world, and explain why I outright discredit so many news sources.

I had a reason for asking but it’s fine. Honestly though, for someone. Who can’t explain how he was attacked you’re making a lot of direct insults, and attacks on liberals in general. There’s a word for that kind of thing.

You’ve ignored multiple things I’ve said, such as my request to explain your point, how you were attacked (which you weren’t, so that explains why you can’t explain it), and my question for if you support healthcare for all which would solve all your problems.

I read what you said but it doesn’t change what I said. I don’t know anything about the plan you used to be in, and chances are Obamacare isn’t as good based on what you said, but I never said liberals were perfect. I said they are the lesser of two evils. Very big difference.

Politically neutral… so you think what I said is fake news even if you didn’t directly say it. That’s fine I guess? I can’t say I expected anything different. However I will say that most of what is said in what I linked are DIRECT quotes from the people in general, so you can say whatever you want, doesn’t make it true.

I’ll read your articles after my dentist appointment but unless I read something dramatically different and backed up with sources, I can’t say anything I said will change.
 
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Let's keep the personal attacks and Jibes OUT of the conversation.....OKAY? ;)

This forum is privately owned by @Num7 and he allows this area for politics and all the discussions that entail.
He has also personally written a Caveat just FOR this type of issue.


Please consider reading, Thanks!


Wind7

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