John Titor Was Right: CERN to begin producing Black Holes

Crosstika

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Re: John Titor Was Right: CERN to begin producing Black Holes

Does anyone know if this has anything to do with CERN?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4357613.stm



Thursday, 17 March, 2005

Lab fireball 'may be black hole'
Artists representation of a black hole, BBC
Creating the conditions for the formation of black holes is one of the aims of particle physics
A fireball created in a US particle accelerator has the characteristics of a black hole, a physicist has said.

It was generated at the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) in New York, US, which smashes beams of gold nuclei together at near light speeds.

Horatiu Nastase says his calculations show that the core of the fireball has a striking similarity to a black hole.

His work has been published on the pre-print website arxiv.org and is reported in New Scientist magazine.

When the gold nuclei smash into each other they are broken down into particles called quarks and gluons.

These form a ball of plasma about 300 times hotter than the surface of the Sun. This fireball, which lasts just 10 million, billion, billionths of a second, can be detected because it absorbs jets of particles produced by the beam collisions.

But Nastase, of Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island, says there is something unusual about it.

Ten times as many jets were being absorbed by the fireball as were predicted by calculations.

The Brown researcher thinks the particles are disappearing into the fireball's core and reappearing as thermal radiation, just as matter is thought to fall into a black hole and come out as "Hawking" radiation.

However, even if the ball of plasma is a black hole, it is not thought to pose a threat. At these energies and distances, gravity is not the dominant force in a black hole.
 

Crosstika

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Re: John Titor Was Right: CERN to begin producing Black Holes

Does anyone know if this has anything to do with CERN?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4357613.stm



Thursday, 17 March, 2005

Lab fireball 'may be black hole'
Artists representation of a black hole, BBC
Creating the conditions for the formation of black holes is one of the aims of particle physics
A fireball created in a US particle accelerator has the characteristics of a black hole, a physicist has said.

It was generated at the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) in New York, US, which smashes beams of gold nuclei together at near light speeds.

Horatiu Nastase says his calculations show that the core of the fireball has a striking similarity to a black hole.

His work has been published on the pre-print website arxiv.org and is reported in New Scientist magazine.

When the gold nuclei smash into each other they are broken down into particles called quarks and gluons.

These form a ball of plasma about 300 times hotter than the surface of the Sun. This fireball, which lasts just 10 million, billion, billionths of a second, can be detected because it absorbs jets of particles produced by the beam collisions.

But Nastase, of Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island, says there is something unusual about it.

Ten times as many jets were being absorbed by the fireball as were predicted by calculations.

The Brown researcher thinks the particles are disappearing into the fireball's core and reappearing as thermal radiation, just as matter is thought to fall into a black hole and come out as "Hawking" radiation.

However, even if the ball of plasma is a black hole, it is not thought to pose a threat. At these energies and distances, gravity is not the dominant force in a black hole.
 

StarLord

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Re: John Titor Was Right: CERN to begin producing Black Holes

Just think, Spinning at 5,000 miles per hour, if you put a hole all the way through the planet, the resulting whistle would break all the windows in the neighborhood. Hmmm, we better go camping... I hear that the Jovians have absolutely NO sense of humor when it comes to broken windows.....
 

StarLord

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Re: John Titor Was Right: CERN to begin producing Black Holes

Just think, Spinning at 5,000 miles per hour, if you put a hole all the way through the planet, the resulting whistle would break all the windows in the neighborhood. Hmmm, we better go camping... I hear that the Jovians have absolutely NO sense of humor when it comes to broken windows.....
 

Harte

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Re: John Titor Was Right: CERN to begin producing Black Holes

[/QUOTE]
The CERN LHC: A Black Hole Factory?
by John G. Cramer

...there are new theoretical predictions that when the new accelerator goes into operation, the LHC's proton-proton collisions may also make something even more exotic: black holes.

(snip)

New ideas suggest that gravity becomes stronger at small distances because of the effects of extra dimensions used only by gravity. In this scenario, as the effective value of G grows larger, the Planck mass drops, and the energy required to produce black holes can drop to 1 TeV, well within range of the LHC but probably out of reach for the Tevatron. Thus, the LHC may turn out to be a "black hole factory", an accelerator that makes large quantities of minimum-size black holes.

http://mist.npl.washington.edu/AV/altvw117.html



Sosuemetoo,

Here is a quote from the same article you linked to above:

Is this a disaster scenario, with the resulting black hole devouring first the LHC detector in which the collision occurs, then the surrounding French countryside and the city of Geneva, and finally the Earth itself? Fortunately, no. Black holes with masses around 1 TeV don't stay around long enough to devour anything. As Stephen Hawking taught us, they would be super-hot little objects that would dissipate all their energy very rapidly by emitting radiation and particles before they wink out of existence...
(My italics)

<span style='font-family:Times New Roman'>I thought that most of the people here were actually interested in time travel. No time travel buff should go without reading \"A Brief History of Time.\"
In that book Hawking shot down the basis of this guy Titor's device, the microsingularity. Also, he ruined it for many science fiction writers.

</span>
 

Harte

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Re: John Titor Was Right: CERN to begin producing Black Holes

[/QUOTE]
The CERN LHC: A Black Hole Factory?
by John G. Cramer

...there are new theoretical predictions that when the new accelerator goes into operation, the LHC's proton-proton collisions may also make something even more exotic: black holes.

(snip)

New ideas suggest that gravity becomes stronger at small distances because of the effects of extra dimensions used only by gravity. In this scenario, as the effective value of G grows larger, the Planck mass drops, and the energy required to produce black holes can drop to 1 TeV, well within range of the LHC but probably out of reach for the Tevatron. Thus, the LHC may turn out to be a "black hole factory", an accelerator that makes large quantities of minimum-size black holes.

http://mist.npl.washington.edu/AV/altvw117.html



Sosuemetoo,

Here is a quote from the same article you linked to above:

Is this a disaster scenario, with the resulting black hole devouring first the LHC detector in which the collision occurs, then the surrounding French countryside and the city of Geneva, and finally the Earth itself? Fortunately, no. Black holes with masses around 1 TeV don't stay around long enough to devour anything. As Stephen Hawking taught us, they would be super-hot little objects that would dissipate all their energy very rapidly by emitting radiation and particles before they wink out of existence...
(My italics)

<span style='font-family:Times New Roman'>I thought that most of the people here were actually interested in time travel. No time travel buff should go without reading \"A Brief History of Time.\"
In that book Hawking shot down the basis of this guy Titor's device, the microsingularity. Also, he ruined it for many science fiction writers.

</span>
 

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