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I found this interesting, they mention paramilitaries..

March 25, 2005
by Dennis Ryan
Pentagram staff writer

The last Quadrennial Defense Review issued in 2001 set size limits and priorities for the armed forces of the United States to be able to fight two major wars simultaneously, besides performing other smaller duties. Douglas Feith, Undersecretary of Defense and Rear Adm. William Sullivan addressed the media at the Pentagon March 18 to discuss the release of the new National Defense Strategy.

The National Defense Strategy cites four major threats to the United States: traditional, irregular, catastrophic and disruptive. Traditional challenges are posed by well known and recognized military powers using "well-understood' forms of war.

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Feith stressed the importance of "building partnership capacity" with other countries.

The paper outlined four major strategic objectives. Securing the United States from direct attack is first on the list.

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Two of the main threats will come from "problem states" and "non-state actors." The document refers to "problem states" as those who "disregard international law and violate international agreements." The non-state actors are described as "a diverse collection of terrorists, insurgents, paramilitaries and criminals who seek to undermine the legitimate governance of some states and who challenge the United States and its interests."
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My druthers would be that all this does is point out to the masses just exactly what kind of fool Bush is, the difference between what he says and what he does, where his priorities lie in no uncertain terms and just how friggin much of a self serving money grubbing scum can reside in one elected body.
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I hope so too, however with Vincente Fox and big corporate interasts clamoring for the border to stay open, I think that the federal government is going to have to do something about it. These people, as well as Ranch Rescue, the Arizona militia and others are showing active resistance to the Bush Clinton plan, much more so than did the branch Davidians or the Weavers.
Its been a very long time since a they have made a public example of a group that opposes them, I think we are due. This may well wake people up. The government will be activly assisting a de facto invasion force, and using force against it's own citizens to do so. There is something very fundimentally wrong with that.
 
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Just to give you an idea of how big the illegal immigration population problem is, here's an article.

Cary

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2005Mar21.html

Flow of Illegal Immigrants to U.S. Unabated

? Mexicans Make Up Largest Group; D.C. Area Numbers Up 70 Percent Since 2000

? ? By Sylvia Moreno
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 22, 2005; Page A02 ?

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Despite tighter border enforcement and a post-Sept. 11, 2001, economic slump, the number of illegal immigrants in the United States has continued to grow steadily, with many moving into states that traditionally have small foreign-born populations, according to a new report released yesterday.

Based on Census Bureau and other government data, the Pew Hispanic Center, a private research group in Washington, estimated the number of undocumented immigrants at 10.3 million as of last March, an increase of 23 percent from the 8.4 million estimate in 2000. More than 50 percent of that growth was attributable to Mexican nationals living illegally in the United States, the report said.

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Most of the overall growth has been in states that previously had small foreign-born populations, including Arizona and North Carolina, as well as the Washington metropolitan area.

The combined population of illegal immigrants in Maryland, Virginia and the District increased almost 70 percent from an estimated 300,000 in 2000 to about 500,000 in 2004, said demographer Jeffrey S. Passel of the Pew Hispanic Center.

The reason, he said, is simple. \"What drives the growth in immigrant populations in general is employment opportunities,\" Passel said, especially in fields that do not require formal education. Specifically, Passel cited the booming construction industry in Virginia, Maryland and the District; the service industry in Washington; and poultry processing plants on the Eastern Shore.

The report comes on the eve of a mini-summit in Texas tomorrow during which President Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin are scheduled to discuss immigration, among other topics.

Pew Hispanic Center Director Roberto Suro said that the number of illegal immigrants continues to grow at the same rate as in the 1990s -- approximately 485,000 a year -- \"despite significant efforts by the government to try to restrain the flow . . . at the border.\" Mexicans remain the largest group of illegal migrants, at 5.9 million or about 57 percent of the March 2004 estimate, the report said. An additional 24 percent or 2.5 million undocumented immigrants are from other Latin American countries. Assuming the flow into the country has not changed since a year ago, the population of undocumented immigrants could number nearly 11 million today, the report said.

Of particular note, said Suro and Passel, was the growth of large undocumented populations in states other than those with traditionally large foreign-born populations, such as California, Texas, Florida and New York. Joining those states in 2002 were Arizona, with an estimated 500,000 illegal migrants, and North Carolina, with 300,000. There are now six states that each have an estimated 200,000 to 250,000 undocumented immigrants, including Maryland and Virginia, Suro said.

The size, age and national origins of the undocumented population were derived by subtracting the estimated legal immigrant population from the total foreign-born population.

Undocumented immigrants are defined as those who are in the United States illegally or who have remained in the country on expired visas, as well as a small percentage of those who only have legal authorization to be in the United States, such as those with temporary protected status and those seeking asylum.

The numbers in the Pew report came as no surprise to immigration advocacy groups, some of whom have issued similar estimates in the past four months.

\"It's clear that America's lost control of its border,\" said Steven Camarota, director of the Center for Immigration Studies, which favors tighter immigration controls. \"The problem is that once we all agree we have this enormous problem, then what to do about it is something we can't agree on. When you can't agree on the benefits and costs of a program, it becomes extraordinarily difficult to formulate any kind of a policy.\"

Angela Kelley, deputy director of the National Immigration Forum, which favors a plan to legalize illegal immigrants, said the continued growth of that population simply shows that current immigration policy \"is broken.\"

? ? ? ? \"It's dysfunctional. How we go about fixing it is the big question,\" she said. ?

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Angela Kelley, deputy director of the National Immigration Forum, which favors a plan to legalize illegal immigrants, said the continued growth of that population simply shows that current immigration policy \"is broken.\"
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I love how these idiots always say that legalizing the illegal immigrants is a solution to this problem.

I have an idea to reduce violent crime. Lets just legalize rape, murder, and assault. Its so simple. The growth of the population of violent criminals in our prisons simply shows that current legal policy is "broken".
 
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Excellent point Paul, I mentioned MS-13 and La Raza because they have made specific public threats concerning the Minutemen. The Bush administration is obviously not thrilled to have these guys down there drawing attention to fact that the Federal government is not doing its job.
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Just as an aside, MS-13 is not known for making empty threats. If they do do something, that will surely bring reprisals from some of the more extremist patriot groups, which will bring a reaction from the government and the PC section of socioty.
 
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http://www.newkerala.com/news-daily/news/f.../features.php?a...

{U.S. News} Washington, Mar 24 : President George W Bush has decried efforts by armed private groups to act as self-appointed policemen to bar illegal Mexican immigrants coming into the United States, and pledged to push for a "reasonable" immigration policy.

More than 1,000 people--including 30 pilots with their private planes--have volunteered for what they call their "Minuteman Project", seeking to monitor the movement of illegal aliens during April and report them to the Border patrol.

Bush said after yesterday's summit with Mexican President Vicente Fox and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin at Baylor University that he finds such actions unacceptable.

"I am against vigilantes in the united States of America," Bush said at a joint press conference.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Darkwolf\")</div>
Just as an aside, MS-13 is not known for making empty threats. If they do do something, that will surely bring reprisals from some of the more extremist patriot groups, which will bring a reaction from the government and the PC section of socioty.[/b]
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Yep, this could be the "perfect storm" if the Feds seem to be siding with MS-13 over Amercian citizens excerising their constitutional right to express a grievence, red Americans will not be happy. I hope that President Bush considers his actions very carefully. His propaganda spin doctors can only do so much.
 
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Hmm, since when is calling the cops an act of vigelantism?[/b]
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As predicted, they are already trying to set up the Minutemen as the aggressors.

I guess soon they will be saying that MS-13 are just honest, hardworking entreprenuers specializing in exotic imports.
 

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