Opposing beliefs/religions/spirituality.

TexDanm

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My, my what a pretentious mess this is. I have usually found very little difference between those of faith and those who choose atheism as their faith. Neither side is very willing to let others have their beliefs and seem to take it personally that others believe differently from them. I think that all thinking people have a need to understand their place in things and have to wonder how it started and if there is any meaning to their existence other than just living and dying.

I have very little use for organized religions. they are man-made, generally to serve the wants of men. I understand and accept that some people need that and feel closer to their gods in an organized situation. I'm fine with that as long as they don't try to force their beliefs on me. Similarly, I understand that some people prefer to have no beliefs. that is fine to me too as long as they don't try to deny me my right to believe as I do.

No matter how people try in the end we each have to find our way and each will travel a different and somewhat lonely path. I have found much to admire in the thoughts presented as being the teachings of the man called Jesus. There was much to be found in other teachings by other men. It is sad that as soon as they are dead their teachings are mostly tossed out the window as other men bend their teachings to empower a priesthood.

I personally am a believer but not of any specific faith. I have no desire to convince anyone to my way...It is mine. I refer to it as Jesuit Paganism. LOL I like it. For me, it answers many questions.
 

dimension-1hacker

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I will disagree here. I think the bible has been verified for accuracy and it failed.

Archeology has basically killed the bible by finding many errors and talking serpents and donkeys have yet to be found so all in physical sciences have also killed it.

All moral students will also scrap the bible in terms of finding a moral Yahweh in it.

Three areas that I think refute your statement.

Regards
DL
before ThaT was The word no
 

dimension-1hacker

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My, my what a pretentious mess this is. I have usually found very little difference between those of faith and those who choose atheism as their faith. Neither side is very willing to let others have their beliefs and seem to take it personally that others believe differently from them. I think that all thinking people have a need to understand their place in things and have to wonder how it started and if there is any meaning to their existence other than just living and dying.

I have very little use for organized religions. they are man-made, generally to serve the wants of men. I understand and accept that some people need that and feel closer to their gods in an organized situation. I'm fine with that as long as they don't try to force their beliefs on me. Similarly, I understand that some people prefer to have no beliefs. that is fine to me too as long as they don't try to deny me my right to believe as I do.

No matter how people try in the end we each have to find our way and each will travel a different and somewhat lonely path. I have found much to admire in the thoughts presented as being the teachings of the man called Jesus. There was much to be found in other teachings by other men. It is sad that as soon as they are dead their teachings are mostly tossed out the window as other men bend their teachings to empower a priesthood.

I personally am a believer but not of any specific faith. I have no desire to convince anyone to my way...It is mine. I refer to it as Jesuit Paganism. LOL I like it. For me, it answers many questions.
what I want To determine is The way everything is logically or in other words a philosophical Theory of everything; determining how it is and not what I want it to be.
 

TexDanm

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You do realize that anything that mankind is associated with will be inherently illogical. I hesitate to try and force human logic on a creative force that some see as a god. I would expect a creative force to possibly be more whimsical than logical.
 

Gnostic Christian

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My, my what a pretentious mess this is. I have usually found very little difference between those of faith and those who choose atheism as their faith. Neither side is very willing to let others have their beliefs and seem to take it personally that others believe differently from them. I think that all thinking people have a need to understand their place in things and have to wonder how it started and if there is any meaning to their existence other than just living and dying.

I have very little use for organized religions. they are man-made, generally to serve the wants of men. I understand and accept that some people need that and feel closer to their gods in an organized situation. I'm fine with that as long as they don't try to force their beliefs on me. Similarly, I understand that some people prefer to have no beliefs. that is fine to me too as long as they don't try to deny me my right to believe as I do.

No matter how people try in the end we each have to find our way and each will travel a different and somewhat lonely path. I have found much to admire in the thoughts presented as being the teachings of the man called Jesus. There was much to be found in other teachings by other men. It is sad that as soon as they are dead their teachings are mostly tossed out the window as other men bend their teachings to empower a priesthood.

I personally am a believer but not of any specific faith. I have no desire to convince anyone to my way...It is mine. I refer to it as Jesuit Paganism. LOL I like it. For me, it answers many questions.


Not a bad ideology except that you seem to only focus on you and your rights while ignoring the victim of the religions.

That is my take away from your --- " that is fine to me too as long as they don't try to deny me my right to believe as I do."

I hope I mis-read you.

Insert gays and women harmed by homophobic and misogynous religions to this quote. You should get an idea of what you should be doing with the homophobic and misogynous mainstream religions if you live by the golden rule.

Please get back to me with your conclusion.

Martin Niemöller
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Regards
DL
 

dimension-1hacker

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You do realize that anything that mankind is associated with will be inherently illogical. I hesitate to try and force human logic on a creative force that some see as a god. I would expect a creative force to possibly be more whimsical than logical.
What is the argument proving your argument? If anything I think of is illogical then that is an illogical statement therefore logical things can be thought. Human logic defines what a creative force is because a human defines the word but logic is not having to do with being human but correct things. Creativity are forms of interaction producing certain things I call thoughts which are things therefore creativity is defined the way it is which is the only way it can be therefore what is logical. Correct?
 

Khaos

where the wild things are
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My, my what a pretentious mess this is. I have usually found very little difference between those of faith and those who choose atheism as their faith. Neither side is very willing to let others have their beliefs and seem to take it personally that others believe differently from them. I think that all thinking people have a need to understand their place in things and have to wonder how it started and if there is any meaning to their existence other than just living and dying.

I have very little use for organized religions. they are man-made, generally to serve the wants of men. I understand and accept that some people need that and feel closer to their gods in an organized situation. I'm fine with that as long as they don't try to force their beliefs on me. Similarly, I understand that some people prefer to have no beliefs. that is fine to me too as long as they don't try to deny me my right to believe as I do.

No matter how people try in the end we each have to find our way and each will travel a different and somewhat lonely path. I have found much to admire in the thoughts presented as being the teachings of the man called Jesus. There was much to be found in other teachings by other men. It is sad that as soon as they are dead their teachings are mostly tossed out the window as other men bend their teachings to empower a priesthood.

I personally am a believer but not of any specific faith. I have no desire to convince anyone to my way...It is mine. I refer to it as Jesuit Paganism. LOL I like it. For me, it answers many questions.

I like this guy :)

Spoken so well. Totally feel the same. I practice zero religion, I have my own beliefs sure, but do I impose those on others and attempt to make them live in some peculiar way? Not at all. Similarly I don't want others to impose theirs on me and attempt to make me live in some peculiar way.
 

Gnostic Christian

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I like this guy :)

Spoken so well. Totally feel the same. I practice zero religion, I have my own beliefs sure, but do I impose those on others and attempt to make them live in some peculiar way? Not at all. Similarly I don't want others to impose theirs on me and attempt to make me live in some peculiar way.


What of the damage religions continue to do to women and gays with their homophobic and misogynous teachings?

Any women or gays in your family tree and should we ignore their discrimination without a just cause?

Regards
DL
 

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